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User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Just throwing it out there. How many of you think there should be a universal airport ID? Lets face it the big hangup when you start a new job is the background check and fingerprints. I think that if you have not had a lapse in employment that you should have a Universal Airport ID half of the waiting after the interview is waiting for background and fingerprints to clear which you have already done at your last job. Any thoughts?

And why does it take so long? If you get arrested they find out in an hour but any airline or aviation job takes weeks

Or when you go to another airport and show your airport ID they say I need that and another form of ID (D.L.) dont we all go thru the same checks to get the same ID?

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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Thread starter):
Or when you go to another airport and show your airport ID they say I need that and another form of ID (D.L.) dont we all go thru the same checks to get the same ID?

I may end up standing corrected but the background checks that I went through to get my SIDA badge here in the US may very well be different from those in other countries worldwide.



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User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Sorry I ment in the United States

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Different countries will have different requirements for a universal card

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/tra...y/aviation/factsheet/fact13.aspx#4


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

While a noble concept, I don’t see it happening, probably a huge undertaking just trying to nail down divergent levels of access rights at various airports and likely also create a security vulnerability just waiting to be explored.

Also the entire way US airports are governed in the area of security mandates and operations on them by the FAA would need to change if a national system was adopted as they could no longer be held solely on the hook for issuance and control of the ID media and airport access control.

Lastly a single ID could be a terrible can of worms incase of data or physical theft of the ID media. Imagine having to rebadged the entire nation if a few hundred blanks IDs were floating around? I remember about a decade back, everyone at LAX (some 60,000+ people) had to be rebadged in a matter of months due to a potential issue.



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User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Yes I do remember that but if they had the security like they do for passport cards or D.L. I think it could work. Im not saying to access doors or anything but just to get thru security or help with the hiring phase

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Thread starter):
Just throwing it out there. How many of you think there should be a universal airport ID?

The mistake you're making is you're applying common sense and logic to the problem.  

I know TSA has a similar program in place with the Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC), but I believe that is only for maritime. It would make sense to have it for all modalities. If nothing else, TSA can require (ala REAL ID) that each airline ID card have a minimum set of certain security features.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Thread starter):
How many of you think there should be a universal airport ID?

It'd be nice, but I think it's really impractical from a variety of standpoints. For one, the more of something you produce, the easier it is to forge. Secondly, every airport has different levels of access. In one airport a "Secure" badge will permit you anywhere, in another it may restrict you to a certain terminal or hangar.

Quoting boeingkid (Thread starter):

And why does it take so long? If you get arrested they find out in an hour but any airline or aviation job takes weeks

Airline background checks go a bit deeper than a quick NCIC check.

Quoting boeingkid (Thread starter):
Or when you go to another airport and show your airport ID they say I need that and another form of ID (D.L.) dont we all go thru the same checks to get the same ID?

By airport ID, do you mean airline-issued or airport issued? If the former, I've never had a problem using my airline ID to go through security (obviously SIDA areas and bypasses are a no-no). For airport issued... how are you supposed to memorize every single airport's badge design?



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User currently offlinebartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

In the US is there anything like the Canada Pass, where certain management or trainers have access to all airports on one card? They are hard to get with a lot of paper work, but for people like area managers who may be at 5 different bases in a week is there provisions for this?

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
By airport ID, do you mean airline-issued or airport issued? If the former, I've never had a problem using my airline ID to go through security (obviously SIDA areas and bypasses are a no-no).

I was told by TSA once in Seattle that they only accept airline IDs as identification to clear security if your airline serves that airport. I found that odd as my airline does not serve Billings either, but they routinely accept my airline badge as my ID.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting bartonsayswhat (Reply 8):
In the US is there anything like the Canada Pass, where certain management or trainers have access to all airports on one card? They are hard to get with a lot of paper work, but for people like area managers who may be at 5 different bases in a week is there provisions for this?

Yes.....it is called a FAA ID  

A multi-airport SIDA would be nice, but as the above posts have pointed out, the way the current system is structured it is not realistic. The loss or theft of a badge is a big deal in one jurisdiction...to loose a universal ID would be a nightmare. At one point in my career...I was bouncing between three major operations, and had to get fingerprinted/badged in 3 different administrative jurisdictions...plus my Company ID. It was a pain in the *** and my lanyard was pretty heavy hehe.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4179 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
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An alternative proposal would be to allow an airport to issue a badge to anyone who already holds one from another airport (after appropriate verifications of course), but I can see airports themselves being opposed to the idea because it might be burdensome for smaller airports that may not be too keen on spending money to confirm the authenticity of one of their badges to another airport, and because bigger airports may fear their processing time would be affected by the response time of said smaller airports.

The OP's proposal is a good idea, but it would only work where access control policies are the same, which would require either a single airport administration, or new laws, neither of which is likely to take place any time soon.

My employer (not an airline) has such a program in place, but we have about as many employees worldwide as there are badge holders in LAX alone, and we obviously have the ability to enforce the same access controls everywhere.



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User currently offlinedispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 6):
TSA can require (ala REAL ID) that each airline ID card have a minimum set of certain security features.

Thats already done in Transportation Security Regs (TSR) Part 1544



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