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N132ND Lands On Rockway Beach Near JFK  
User currently offlinefghtngsiouxatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21525 times:

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index....=dlattach;topic=8819.0;attach=5688

Something about this whole series of events sounds fishy. His communication is pretty unprofessional in such a busy environment. It's one thing to be friendly, but he almost sounds like he's high on something! Then when he talks about "his engine MIGHT be running a teensy bit rough," it sounds like he's making an excuse to land on the beach. He sounds a little to excited about the "sick passenger." It will be interesting to see what the final report says.

On a side note, N132ND is an old UND Piper Cadet! Kind of interesting  

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User currently offlineKHPN From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21069 times:

I just listened to this yesterday night and thought the same thing.

IMO the pilot was definitely looking for an excuse to just land on the beach, he asked about landing there a bunch of times and then decided to make a precautionary landing cause he had a bit of roughness?
come on, if your experiencing engine roughness then try fixing your mixture while u make it over to JFK for a safe and legal landing.

Seems like he just wanted to have fun landing on the beach if you ask me.
Cant wait to see what the authorities have to say about this one...


User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20674 times:

I wouldn't say this if I didn't really mean it: I think he deserves to have his pilot certificate revoked.

He clearly doesn't get it.


User currently offlineskygirl1990 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2010, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20444 times:

 Wow!

I just don't know what to say.

This is just shocking. I hope the pilot underwent a alcohol/drug test immediately after. Can ATC request that?



x Jessie x
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20293 times:

So when I heard this on the news this morning, I was shocked, because they said that the police were questioning this guy because he didn't request permission before making an emergency landing (why the hell would one do that?). And I was pissed at the news for making it sound like the pilot had acted irresponsibly. But now I hear this, and I'm shocked and pissed for other reasons.

Can't wait for the resulting hysteria from the anti-GA folks in NYC.  
Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 2):
I wouldn't say this if I didn't really mean it: I think he deserves to have his pilot certificate revoked.

I never say that sort of thing either, but in this case it is extremely appropriate.

Quoting skygirl1990 (Reply 3):
I hope the pilot underwent a alcohol/drug test immediately after. Can ATC request that?

ATC can't themselves, but the can call up the FAA and say that the pilot was acting strangely, and I believe the FAA can. I'd imagine the police can as well.

But I very much doubt that it would turn up anything - I suspect this guy didn't need the assistance of alcohol or drugs to act like a complete and utter idiot. There's stupid, there's really stupid, and then there's this.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20239 times:

W.....T.....F was that...

On a side note, I'd like to punch those who say "rojahhhhhhhhhhhh" square in the face. Same with those who rock the flight levels and pimp frequencies.

That ATCer was a consummate professional. I hope he doesn't get in any trouble for this.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20230 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 5):
On a side note, I'd like to punch those who say "rojahhhhhhhhhhhh" square in the face.

Yeah, it's a bit irritating, but that's the least of his faults. I'd rather listen to that than people saying "roger that" every day of the week.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 5):
Same with those who rock the flight levels and pimp frequencies.

Not quite sure what you mean by this.   

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20214 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Not quite sure what you mean by this.

Maybe I just catch some really juvenile flight crews when I'm flying, but there's nothing like hearing "Blue Streak 464 rockin' 2-8-0" and "Air Shuttle 5124 pimping 132.8" (callsigns changed to protect the innocent). It's happened more than once.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
but that's the least of his faults

No doubt, but that (I thought) went without saying.

Guy's a MD student at Georgetown, says the NY Post article. Sounds more like a chiropractor.   

Here are the passengers. Seem like real great people.  Yeah surehttp://www.facebook.com/clarke.oler

[Edited 2011-04-06 00:36:07]

[Edited 2011-04-06 00:38:22]


I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20140 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
Maybe I just catch some really juvenile flight crews when I'm flying, but there's nothing like hearing "Blue Streak 464 rockin' 2-8-0" and "Air Shuttle 5124 pimping 132.8" (callsigns changed to protect the innocent). It's happened more than once.

Gotcha. That would piss me off too - what the hell does "pimping 132.8" even mean?

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20027 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Gotcha. That would piss me off too - what the hell does "pimping 132.8" even mean?

Whoring the airwaves.


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19649 times:

After listening to the ATC recording and reading the news stories, this was definitely a stunt gone bad. That guy's an idiot who should never fly a plane again. He jeopardized his passengers lives and safety, not to mention his own.... and what a shame putting that PA-28 in the surf.... MORON. Hope they throw the book at him.

NY Post Articles:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...plane_loopy_sz9FjRxR6L3lcH1CwCuhSK

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...m_in_queens_FxCdP7lBQuww0Hk9MvBLNI

Video:

http://www.nypost.com/video/?channel...TEST.16x9&bitrate=300&format=flash



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

The guy sounds like he had no idea of the risks he was taking, and blew his license and wrecked a plane for no reason.

What the hell?

Did he honestly think that he could play bush pilot in one of the busiest air traffic areas in the world and that would be OK?

I hope the plane belonged to him. If I were the insurance company I'd be looking at a denial for reckless behavior.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlinetopgun3 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18529 times:

Looks like someone has been watching too much Wild Alaska on TV.


I'd rather be flying.
User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18175 times:

Watch this guy sue the Discovery Channel for leading him to believe that it is okay to land on sandbars. At the minimum he should lose his pilots license...


Cha brro
User currently offlineoverloaduk From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17957 times:

This also a good read about it

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/nyregion/06plane.html


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17234 times:

Wow! As cool as it would be to land on the beach, like I'm sure lots of pilots would love to do, it's still a stupid stunt and very dangerous too! not to state the obvious but, he could've crashed into tourists in the water for god's sake1 No one knows where a plane will actually land on rough terrain like sand, an so many unexpected things could've gone wrong!


From the airport with love
User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5041 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15815 times:

Have you ever walked on a beach? Do you realize that there is a lot of resistance to your footsteps in the sand? Now what do you think the landing gear will do in soft sand like that? Just look at the photos. Where is the gear?

This guy has the mind of a juvenile. Just because you see someone on TV doing it doesn't mean you can do it too. As a pilot he should have known what the FARs dictate about this.

I hope he loses his license and gets a hefty fine from the FAA, He needs to be made to realize the responsibility of his ways. But in cases like this, Granny will probably pay the fines for him.

[Edited 2011-04-06 10:59:03]


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15773 times:

Call me crazy but I don't get the feeling that this guy is working 2 jobs or anything to put himself through med school and fly.

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15504 times:

Quoting overloaduk (Reply 14):
This also a good read about it

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/ny....html




Great line:

Mr. Maloney asked the detective: “What’s the big deal? It happens all the time in Alaska.”

Detective Derienzo replied, “Welcome to New York.”


  



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlinejogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15462 times:

I think this quote from the NYT story says it all:

Quote:
[The pilot] asked the detective: “What’s the big deal? It happens all the time in Alaska.”

  



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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15001 times:

I suspect that everyone who drives a car has gone a little too fast at least once, just for fun.

I suspect that everyone who flies has gone a little low at least once, just for fun.

BUT WE DONT DO IT OVER NYC NEAR JFK!!!

And beach landings are pretty much confined to unpopulated places for a reason.

Time to pull the ticket: the guy doesn't have the judgement to be PIC.

Who was his instructor?



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlinethegman From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14420 times:

This guy is a total idiot trying to show off for some girls. He should have his certificate revoked.

User currently offlineCactus105 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13997 times:

WOW.

This is exactly how not to talk on the radio. I feel like im listening to two friends talking on the phone, this is ridiculous.

Doesn't sound sober/completely there mentally to me.. im interested to see what exactly was going on.

FISHY FISHY FISHY



Wherever you go, there you are.
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13630 times:

Quoting fghtngsiouxatc (Thread starter):
N132ND is an old UND Piper Cadet! Kind of interesting

Well THAT explains a lot    


Seriously though, I want to kick this guy where the sun don't shine. And I want to have a word with his instructor as I get the feeling he isn't the brightest either.


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13426 times:

Must be one of the cast of "Jersey Shore".


To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.” Sun Tzu
25 dumbell2424 : Must've been trying to impress a chick. Hope losing your cert was worth it, buddy
26 phatfarmlines : Me three. This pilot must not be from NYC, so he clearly go the "Welcome to Nu Yawk" spiel.
27 EnviroTO : It was probably an honest mistake. He didn't realize Rockaway Beach was in New York. He though it was a Jersey Shore.
28 pliersinsight : Not only does he deserve to have his certificate yanked....it frightens me that he is a med student. Clearly he doesn't possess the character and fitn
29 Post contains images fghtngsiouxatc : Watch it, bub. I certainly hope UND pilots don't represent themselves like this moron! I read in one of the now numerous articles that A. he was NOT
30 GoBoeing : New update: He has been taken to the hospital for seizures. So, possibly something else going on here. A brain tumor was mentioned on another forum as
31 Post contains images soon7x7 : He must have been feeling very "snookie"!...but that got him into a "situation"... ...make it stop!...Pilots like him are why I avoid flying FRG like
32 Post contains images fghtngsiouxatc : I can see a seizure affect decision making and bodily functions, but I don't see it causing someone to be an arrogant jerk. After all, he did take of
33 Maverick623 : No, but a brain tumor acting on another area of the brain might. That being said, there's three probable scenarios as to why he was acting strangely:
34 Post contains links etherealsky : The phrasing of that sentence makes it sound as if you think he should be busted for the act of the off-airport landing itself, but I'm not too sure
35 type-rated : I think that they'll (FAA) go after him for reckless operation too. This will probably result in him seeing a judge. The judge will not only take int
36 JBirdAV8r : The laws pertaining to where you can and cannot land have more to do with local statutes. I'd assume operating a motor vehicle on those beaches is pr
37 CharlieNoble : His actions were more like you parking in the middle of an interstate in the dark when you could have gotten over to the shoulder. "Running a teensy
38 pliersinsight : So, if you are in the commission of a felony and someone dies, that's not murder? Ever hear of third degree murder? Ever hear of Felony Murder? Ever
39 Post contains images Birdwatching : Is there any way I can listen to the audio without signing up to liveatc.net? Soren
40 Post contains links LH498 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3chE7am_Eyw
41 Senliture : Is that just me or what? I listened to the whole record and I only feel 2 problems with the pilot - 1) didn't declare emergency for landing on a non-s
42 DocLightning : A tumor can, actually, depending on where it is. Frontal cortex lesions can do stuff like this. I'll await further info before commenting further.
43 Magcheck : We should reserve a little bit of judgment in light of potential medical issues, but to begin with he needs a stern talking-to from the FAA on proper
44 EnviroTO : I don't think there is a reason to expect that the dangerous act of landing on a beach could cause an ambulance to be t-boned, or a police helicopter
45 web500sjc : here is something stupid, but since he declared an emergency, couldn't he have decided to land at JFK, he did ask once before. probably would have bee
46 CharlieNoble : Too much Maddog 20/20 before the flight.
47 Post contains links pliersinsight : I didn't say they would be convicted, but they could easily be charged. (Although there have been convictions, as you will see below) It was recently
48 Maverick623 : There wouldn't be, because what this guy did was not a felony. The most they could charge him with is trespassing, which is a misdemeanor.
49 Post contains links type-rated : And the story continues. It looks like not only the FAA is mad at the guy, but so is the borough of Queens! http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q..._in
50 wjcandee : Depends upon the state. In New Jersey, for example, the last time I checked, state law would flatly prohibit that.
51 soon7x7 : This guy's responses to ATC prior to all his other nonsense, is a bit too..."feel good". Too many energy drinks or something in this pilot. Sounds lik
52 ATCstudent : It sounds to me like the equivalent of driving along the highway and a pax having to take a piss, so you pull over to the side of the highway except f
53 pliersinsight : I'm thinking reckless endangerment might be a Felony in New York...depending on the grade of the charge. However, I'm not licensed in New York.
54 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Never heard that, and I I'm not sure that's the norm for many states. Then again, I don't know a whole lot of farmers in NJ It's been perfectly legal
55 SEPilot : If true, he will have a great deal of trouble ever getting a medical again. Any history of seizures usually is disqualifying. As to the main issue, I
56 Post contains links Maverick623 : http://www.upstatenewyorkdwilawyer.c..._crimes_reckless_endangerment.html 2nd degree is a Class A misdemeanor (the highest class of misdemeanor), and
57 soon7x7 : Either way...he will receive a rather healthy invoice from the city of NY, compliments of Mayor Bloomberg for emergency services and other ancillary f
58 washingtonian : From the picture, it looked like the plane was about to be swept into the ocean. Was it written off? What happened to it?! I'm sure that pilot is in s
59 Max777geek : Thread worth.
60 soon7x7 : High surf warnings were posted at the time. The swell was about 6 feet plus with rising tide. The aircraft was swamped but not totally submerged. Aft
61 pliersinsight : That's why I stay out of New york courtrooms, every charge has dozens of degrees and grades. The point I was making was it is not impossilbe that he
62 Maverick623 : I can't speak for every state, but that's pretty standard for a reckless endangerment charge in AZ too. Same thing with trespassing, burglary, assaul
63 type-rated : The next day the wings were removed and the aircraft was carted off to a facility where a mechanic and NTSB investigator will examine the engine to t
64 pliersinsight : How about the passengers? The decision to land on the beach could have easily been fatal. No off-airport landing is a guaranteed winner. As I stated
65 Maverick623 : That's really irrelevant. You still have to prove the pilot knew that the people would have a high chance of being seriously hurt or killed in a beac
66 Post contains links pliersinsight : Gotta keep that nose up and hold it there until you're out of elevator: http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010...a-210l-vh-ftm-makes-emergency.html Loo
67 Maverick623 : Didn't flip. Not a beach. Look, I'm not trying to excuse what this guy did. He needs to suffer some sort of consequence, but putting emotion aside an
68 pliersinsight : I generally agree with you, however that doesn't stop a prosecutor in a high profile and very political area from pushing the envelope. Sometimes the
69 JohnJ : From the New York Times article linked above: "At some point, Ms. Protter became sick, and Mr. Maloney made an unusual request to the controller." "Th
70 Highflier92660 : Of course this stunt has emotional immaturity written all over it, but I wonder if people realize how often these joyrides play out albeit to a lesser
71 26point2 : . This is true. I know because I was that same guy but 30 years ago. I'm not too proud to admit.... .....Buzzing the high-school graduation ceremony.
72 Aesma : Any new information on this story ?
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