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Where Are All The MD-11 Pilots?  
User currently offlineSnowflaker From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13231 times:

Aside from FedEx and UPS, where are all the MD-11 pilots? Is the MD-11 headed for the graveyard?

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13245 times:
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Quoting Snowflaker (Thread starter):
where are all the MD-11 pilots? Is the MD-11 headed for the graveyard?

Well, when you are flying MD11s and the company retires them, you will be trained onto another airplane. I used to fly MD11Fs and now I am on B744.
Or what do you mean with your questions?
There are still MD11s out there. KLM, World Airways, many cargo airlines still fly MD11s... So not really in the graveyard yet...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

In MD-11 Cockpits! w00t

User currently offlineSnowflaker From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12959 times:

Are they really that much of a handful on landing? After 20 years of landing on carrier decks, I hope I can get the flare down so the wings don't come off. 

User currently offlineSnowflaker From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12902 times:

I thought Boeing didn't want to have any competition for the 777 and decided to let the MD-11 die on the vine.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Even so, those 11s are good birds and still have some years left in them. It'll be a LONG time before we see them gone, especially among the cargo carriers. Fedex and UPS absolutely depend on them at this point.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12391 times:

Quoting Snowflaker (Reply 4):
I thought Boeing didn't want to have any competition for the 777 and decided to let the MD-11 die on the vine.

I don't think the MD-11 needed any help from Boeing in dying. It was doing a fantastic job all by itself.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting Snowflaker (Reply 4):
I thought Boeing didn't want to have any competition for the 777 and decided to let the MD-11 die on the vine.

I think it was a bit of both. Boeing had no interest in marketing the MD11, but at the same time, sales were also faltering. Several pax airlines(AA, DL, etc.) chucked their relatively young MD11s in favor of the 772 which were then ripe for the picking for the cargo industry, further hurting sales of new build MD11s.



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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12321 times:

The MD-11 is a really cool aircraft. But against the A333 and the 772, it's days were always going to be numbered, Boeing-MD merger or no. Just like the A340, once big twins became the norm, the MD-11 had an increasingly difficult time making an economic case for itself. That doesn't mean it's a bad aircraft or not worthy of respect, just that the market changed.

Plenty of MD11's are still out there as freighters and aren't likely to go away very soon. They are still doing a job that they're very good at, even if they are facing increased competition. And pilots seem to like them, at least those I've spoken with.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12250 times:

Like everyone else, pilots go where the jobs are. It has been years since MD-11 production ended so many of those still flying the type might retire with them. Younger pilots would retrain to fly other aircraft, which they probably started doing as soon as the end of the MD-11 was announced, if they were not certified for other types to begin with.

User currently offlinetrystero From Portugal, joined Oct 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12144 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 1):
Well, when you are flying MD11s and the company retires them, you will be trained onto another airplane. I used to fly MD11Fs and now I am on B744



OK. That ruined may day. Going home, eat my heart out and curse you all night long...



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12141 times:
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Quoting trystero (Reply 10):
OK. That ruined may day. Going home, eat my heart out and curse you all night long...

   That bad? The 744 is simply amazing. Sure it is a pity, but I enjoyed all me 2500 hours on the MD11F. For me an amazing airplane with a HUGE cockpit. Compared to the 744 a lot bigger...  

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinetrystero From Portugal, joined Oct 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12114 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 11):


My two favourite aircraft. Best of of luck...



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12046 times:

To the original poster -- take a look at the thread on here where an actual MD11 pilot talked about his experience. Search on "paid like a slot machine". His basic point was that it was one of the most challenging aircraft to land, but certainly within his range of experience and he'd bid it again in a second for the money he was making.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12025 times:
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 13):
His basic point was that it was one of the most challenging aircraft to land

Not this discussion again. I did many many landings myself on the MD11.... And I was different but not that bad in my personal opinion...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Wilco: I didn't want the thread to drift, but it appears that the original poster may have an opportunity to be trained on one (from his later post), so I wanted to refer him to the discussion without quoting it or having it all be repeated here. I am glad to see your comments as another person with actual experience in the type.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11951 times:
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 15):

All is well   People have different experience and opinions. But to be honest, the ongoing discussion about the MD11 is a little too much at times. And not a lot MD11 pilots in here who can actually judge. It is mostly "I heard, I read etc"...

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11712 times:
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Most MD-11's are freight dogs at FEDEX and UPS. KLM is the last European airline flying them. None in ASia, Thai may be the last one.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11661 times:

From personal experience (I´ve got type ratings on both of them) the MD-11 is easier to be maintained. The B747 has a lot of avionics quirks (everytime you power up the aircraft, there are new status messages coming up. Most of them are nuisance and can be cleared easily, but it still annoys).

Jan


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11589 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 15):
I didn't want the thread to drift, but it appears that the original poster may have an opportunity to be trained on one (from his later post)

Look at the website on his profile page. He apparently is looking to hire MD-11 crews...


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

Though Finnair have MD-11's in cargo service only, it looks more MD-11 pilots will be needed in HEL in future:

Neff Capital Launches Nordic Global Airlines:

"MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--U.S.-based Neff Capital Management LLC today announced the launching of Nordic Global Airlines, Ltd. (“NGA”), an all-cargo airline based in Helsinki, Finland. NGA, which is expected to commence operations later this year, will begin service with MD-11 freighters. Tentative routings include Helsinki/Asia and Helsinki/North America. "

Finnair Cargo is a minority investor.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...al-Launches-Nordic-Global-Airlines


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11374 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 14):
Not this discussion again. I did many many landings myself on the MD11.... And I was different but not that bad in my personal opinion...

Ha!! LOL! My sentiments exactly. I've been on the MD-11 for close to 11 yrs now and will decide by this weekend if I want to go to the 777. Right now I'm 70/30 for staying in the -11.


User currently offlineSnowflaker From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10923 times:

Don't hate me because I want to put pilots in seats. I can't flare for crap and need help in that arena. I am really good at crashing into the carrier deck at 750 FPM, just that most other airplanes the wings come off or the struts go through the wings.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

Quoting Snowflaker (Reply 22):

I admire what you are doing! I hope those MD11's will continue to fly for years to come with your airline.

KH



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9560 times:
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Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 21):
Ha!! LOL! My sentiments exactly. I've been on the MD-11 for close to 11 yrs now and will decide by this weekend if I want to go to the 777. Right now I'm 70/30 for staying in the -11.

I don't want to hear you crying about having to commute to 777 training on your own dime so you better stay on the -11.

  


25 craigpc01 : What, if may I ask, are the factors in the 70/30 split?
26 Post contains links and images cpd : It's not you - it's something that happened some time ago when various armchair experts got a bit hostile. So I guess people are more cynical now whe
27 FX1816 : I'm sure I'm missing a few somewhere but... US: FedEx UPS World Centurion Europe: KLM Cargoitalia Lufthansa Cargo Finnair Cargo Elsewhere: Aeroflot EV
28 CrimsonNL : Add Martinair with 7 MD-11's, 3 full freighters and 4 convertible freighters.
29 Post contains images wn700driver : Graveyard? Yikes. In fact, the MD-11 has the distinction of being the only twin aisle Aircraft to have ALL (non-crashed) units still in service. I th
30 CosmicCruiser : It's all about where it's going to fly.
31 FX1816 : I might have to go over to VCV this morning and check. I know that EVA still had one or two of them sitting here not too long ago. FX1816
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