Well, when you are flying MD11s and the company retires them, you will be trained onto another airplane. I used to fly MD11Fs and now I am on B744.
Or what do you mean with your questions?
There are still MD11s out there. KLM, World Airways, many cargo airlines still fly MD11s... So not really in the graveyard yet...
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3881 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12113 times:
Even so, those 11s are good birds and still have some years left in them. It'll be a LONG time before we see them gone, especially among the cargo carriers. Fedex and UPS absolutely depend on them at this point.
777STL From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3151 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11901 times:
Quoting Snowflaker (Reply 4): I thought Boeing didn't want to have any competition for the 777 and decided to let the MD-11 die on the vine.
I think it was a bit of both. Boeing had no interest in marketing the MD11, but at the same time, sales were also faltering. Several pax airlines(AA, DL, etc.) chucked their relatively young MD11s in favor of the 772 which were then ripe for the picking for the cargo industry, further hurting sales of new build MD11s.
Cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1239 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11863 times:
The MD-11 is a really cool aircraft. But against the A333 and the 772, it's days were always going to be numbered, Boeing-MD merger or no. Just like the A340, once big twins became the norm, the MD-11 had an increasingly difficult time making an economic case for itself. That doesn't mean it's a bad aircraft or not worthy of respect, just that the market changed.
Plenty of MD11's are still out there as freighters and aren't likely to go away very soon. They are still doing a job that they're very good at, even if they are facing increased competition. And pilots seem to like them, at least those I've spoken with.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1963 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11792 times:
Like everyone else, pilots go where the jobs are. It has been years since MD-11 production ended so many of those still flying the type might retire with them. Younger pilots would retrain to fly other aircraft, which they probably started doing as soon as the end of the MD-11 was announced, if they were not certified for other types to begin with.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11588 times:
To the original poster -- take a look at the thread on here where an actual MD11 pilot talked about his experience. Search on "paid like a slot machine". His basic point was that it was one of the most challenging aircraft to land, but certainly within his range of experience and he'd bid it again in a second for the money he was making.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11507 times:
Wilco: I didn't want the thread to drift, but it appears that the original poster may have an opportunity to be trained on one (from his later post), so I wanted to refer him to the discussion without quoting it or having it all be repeated here. I am glad to see your comments as another person with actual experience in the type.
All is well People have different experience and opinions. But to be honest, the ongoing discussion about the MD11 is a little too much at times. And not a lot MD11 pilots in here who can actually judge. It is mostly "I heard, I read etc"...
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13604 posts, RR: 63 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11203 times:
From personal experience (I´ve got type ratings on both of them) the MD-11 is easier to be maintained. The B747 has a lot of avionics quirks (everytime you power up the aircraft, there are new status messages coming up. Most of them are nuisance and can be cleared easily, but it still annoys).
HELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 759 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10982 times:
Though Finnair have MD-11's in cargo service only, it looks more MD-11 pilots will be needed in HEL in future:
Neff Capital Launches Nordic Global Airlines:
"MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--U.S.-based Neff Capital Management LLC today announced the launching of Nordic Global Airlines, Ltd. (“NGA”), an all-cargo airline based in Helsinki, Finland. NGA, which is expected to commence operations later this year, will begin service with MD-11 freighters. Tentative routings include Helsinki/Asia and Helsinki/North America. "
Snowflaker From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10465 times:
Don't hate me because I want to put pilots in seats. I can't flare for crap and need help in that arena. I am really good at crashing into the carrier deck at 750 FPM, just that most other airplanes the wings come off or the struts go through the wings.
fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7074 posts, RR: 89 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9102 times:
Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 21): Ha!! LOL! My sentiments exactly. I've been on the MD-11 for close to 11 yrs now and will decide by this weekend if I want to go to the 777. Right now I'm 70/30 for staying in the -11.
I don't want to hear you crying about having to commute to 777 training on your own dime so you better stay on the -11.
25 craigpc01: What, if may I ask, are the factors in the 70/30 split?
26 cpd: It's not you - it's something that happened some time ago when various armchair experts got a bit hostile. So I guess people are more cynical now whe
27 FX1816: I'm sure I'm missing a few somewhere but... US: FedEx UPS World Centurion Europe: KLM Cargoitalia Lufthansa Cargo Finnair Cargo Elsewhere: Aeroflot EV
28 CrimsonNL: Add Martinair with 7 MD-11's, 3 full freighters and 4 convertible freighters.
29 wn700driver: Graveyard? Yikes. In fact, the MD-11 has the distinction of being the only twin aisle Aircraft to have ALL (non-crashed) units still in service. I th