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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20506 times:
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Continuation from New Zealand Aviation Thread #93 (by PA515 Mar 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)#1

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User currently offlineAflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20478 times:

To get the ball rolling, I've noticed that JQ have made some improvements to their website.

http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/home

Overall it looks a lot cleaner and easier to use than the old website.

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20465 times:

Yeah, I noticed that when I booked a flight to AKL for Queens Birthday Weekend.

It looked a lot nicer than the old one. I would go as far as saying it is 'Pretty Snazzy' 


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20412 times:

further to Kaiarahi's query.... I randomly stuck the schedule in for 2 weeks in May and got the following...

9MAY 15MAY MTWTFSS
1 NZ 008 1715 1015 .2.4567 I AKLSFO I CUY 744 0


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20395 times:

I didn't understand aerorobnz's comment in the last thread that the (I assume) NZ government had given CZ $4m to fly here. What's that all about? Why would we be subsidising foreign airlines to fly here? Source for this?


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User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20327 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 4):
I didn't understand aerorobnz's comment in the last thread that the (I assume) NZ government had given CZ $4m to fly here. What's that all about? Why would we be subsidising foreign airlines to fly here? Source for this?

The source is the statement from Prime Minister (and Minister of Tourism) John Key welcoming the CZ operation to AKL.



John Macilree
User currently offlineairnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20248 times:

Hi yall,

Just to let you know, Jetconnect will be an all 737-800 operator by August, with D/E/F/G/H having the improved business seats (recently flew on it and it is much much better than the marc newson one!!!- actually got 2 hours sleep in it...however, footrest is still to high)

Qantas will recieve its first 737-800 with IFE this month and it will operate ex-MEL.
However, be a little disappointed as movies will be disabled on flights less than 2 hours. Only On-Demand TV,music, games, geography, languages are available! They are currently doing this on A330 Domestic IFE now between SYD-MEL-SYD.

Also, Jetconnect will continue to operate on SYD-CHC-SYD, meaning, Qantas mainline only operates ZQN services.

Cheers


User currently offlineVHEBB From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20181 times:

Quote:
D/E/F/G/H having the improved business seats (recently flew on it and it is much much better than the marc newson one!!!- actually got 2 hours sleep in it...however, footrest is still to high)

Hi,

What seat type is the "new one"? The original seat fitted to ZQA/B/C? Or the newer style with the screen in the seat back like whats found on the new A332s VH-EBO/EBP?

Have heard Jetconnect are getting 3 more B73Hs to make a total of 9 A/C, is this correct?

Thanks


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20179 times:

Quoting airnewzealand (Reply 6):
Qantas will recieve its first 737-800 with IFE this month and it will operate ex-MEL.
However, be a little disappointed as movies will be disabled on flights less than 2 hours.

Is this aircraft going to Jetconnect? And if so, alll their services are longer than 2 hours


User currently offlineVHEBB From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20178 times:

Quote:
Is this aircraft going to Jetconnect? And if so, alll their services are longer than 2 hours

No its the first for mainline domestic.

All Jetconnect flights feature the full IFE options.

[Edited 2011-04-09 23:11:44]

[Edited 2011-04-09 23:12:24]

User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2991 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20016 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 3):
further to Kaiarahi's query.... I randomly stuck the schedule in for 2 weeks in May and got the following...

9MAY 15MAY MTWTFSS
1 NZ 008 1715 1015 .2.4567 I AKLSFO I CUY 744 0

Thanks. I can stay loyal for a few more months ...   

BTW, has anyone seen the instructional video on how to sit in the 773 Y+ seat? Do you have to bring your own hacksaw?



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19994 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 4):
NZ government had given CZ $4m to fly here. What's that all about? Why would we be subsidising foreign airlines to fly here?
Quoting macilree (Reply 5):
The source is the statement from Prime Minister (and Minister of Tourism) John Key welcoming the CZ operation to AKL.

If any of you re thinking "Koruman is probably having an attack of apoplexy" then you would be right.

I read the NZ Herald's powder puff piece about the Chinese population in NZ yesterday, and I was mortified. It is astonsihing that such a tiny minority of first and second generation immigrants consider themselves to be Kiwis, and the article about overseas students from China who speak inadequate English doing pointless qualifications to obtain residence was an eye-opener too.

Across most of the world ethnic Chinese immigrants have brought huge value to their new homes and, most importantly, take pride in their new nationality. But New Zealand seems to have adopted a different approach of separate development, and well, we all know the Afrikaans word for that concept. The flights to Shanghai and Beijing really reflect this in the ethnic mix onboard.

I very recently flew on NZ135, and two of the crew really struggled to communicate in English at all. Are the FASCO crews allowed to fly on the Tasman? Why?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19971 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
I very recently flew on NZ135, and two of the crew really struggled to communicate in English at all. Are the FASCO crews allowed to fly on the Tasman? Why?

When they are being trained here in NZ, they do shorthaul training flights ex AKL on the 772.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 10):
Thanks. I can stay loyal for a few more months ...

Stick with it a little longer if you can.. 


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19912 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 5):
The source is the statement from Prime Minister (and Minister of Tourism) John Key welcoming the CZ operation to AKL.

OK, so it's an investment like others that government makes in collaborative tourism promotion.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25171 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19271 times:
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The Herald has a couple of very interesting follow-up articles about China Southern here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10717917

"New Zealand is crucial to exploring Australasia and accelerating an international network-oriented transformation, says China Southern Airlines."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10717918

"China Southern Airlines' first flight to Auckland touched down on Saturday boosting access to a burgeoning Chinese middle class, but tourism industry leaders say more needs to be done to grasp the opportunity."

I think it is a fascinating exercise to watch and I take my hat off to Air NZ for it's determination in the China market.

I really, really wish there was an Air NZ flight to China through Australia and some things in the first article confirm this for me. Although, presumably, the Big Aussie airline would go doolally.

mariner

[Edited 2011-04-10 12:19:06]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25171 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19211 times:
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And Garuda wants to come back:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/busine...72569/garuda-airline-eyes-nz-again

"Garuda Indonesia is at the early stages of discussions about operating from this country. It last flew to and from New Zealand in 2006."

Hello, Bali?

mariner



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18881 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
Hello, Bali?

It'd have to be bloody cheap for me to fly Garuda over Air Asia, Jetstar or even Royal Brunei...

Somehow I think their previous market to/from AKL has been absorbed by other carriers..


User currently offlinebrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18862 times:

I'm an ex-pat Kiwi now in the US. I recall that NZ used to have quite a fleet of the B733 aircraft, and they were still using them the last time I as there over a year ago. Not sure if they are still in use, but if so, have any been affected by the recent WN issues?

Thanks, Bruce.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18771 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 16):
It'd have to be bloody cheap for me to fly Garuda over Air Asia, Jetstar or even Royal Brunei...

At least it will give some sort of direct routing to Indonesia for those who fly there. At the moment, they have to go via SIN or via Australia. Not sure if they have the demand to operate direct to DPS though.


Remaining on the stupid media front: there's a picture in the NZ Herald of the CZ CEO and Simon Moutter (AIA CEO) holding up a model of an A380 with the caption: "... with a model of the jet which will be used to fly between Auckland and Guangzhou three times a week." Wouldn't that be overcapacity if they even had them to use by now!

Quoting brucek (Reply 17):
have any been affected by the recent WN issues?

Well they're checking their aircraft but not much other news has been heard..



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25171 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18744 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 16):
It'd have to be bloody cheap for me to fly Garuda over Air Asia, Jetstar or even Royal Brunei...

Each to their own. I've always had good experiences flying Garuda and I'm not that keen on Jetstar.

mariner



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18737 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
"Garuda Indonesia is at the early stages of discussions about operating from this country. It last flew to and from New Zealand in 2006."

Hello, Bali?

It is not too hard for people in NZ to reach Bali already. It can be done with fairly easy connections at East Coast Australian cities, using Jetstar and VirginBlue/PacificBlue. Some of the flights do require long connecting times at the Australian port, though, I think there is one service by Pacific Blue - CHC-MEL-DPS where the same plane operates a daily through service.

If Virgin and AirNZ expand their Trans Tasman partnership, they could add AirNZ codeshares on Virgin services to Bali. If Garuda operate their NZ services as a tag on from an Australian city, that is not really much advantage over doing a connection.

Reports in recent publications make it look as though Garuda has been improving a lot. One advantage of a Garuda service to Bali is that it could be a stopover on the way to Europe.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25171 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18707 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 20):
It is not too hard for people in NZ to reach Bali already.

Indeed, and it is only a pure guess of mine that Garuda would fly AKL-DPS. Maybe they'll stick with CGK or do something more interesting. Until it happens none of us can know.

I also hope that the Air NZ/Virgin Blue code share thing does involve Oz to Asian cities - although not necessarily all on Virgin Blue. LOL.

I think there are tremendous, untouched opportunities Oz/Asia, and Bali isn't all that high on my list. But since it is in Indonesia and a hugely popular destination, I think it makes sense for an Indonesian airline, if not necessarily as a non-stop from here.

mariner

[Edited 2011-04-10 17:10:57]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18655 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
Maybe they'll stick with CGK or do something more interesting. Until it happens none of us can know.

I doubt it though.. DPS is likely to be far more in favour with those travelling to Indonesia from here. Otherwise we would have seen flights to/from CGK when GA used to fly here. I wouldn't have expected their 5th freedom rights to have been revoked since they last flew here though. Interesting to see if/when they return to our skies though. Now for OZ and BR to follow suit..



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18640 times:
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Quoting brucek (Reply 17):

NZ still has a big fleet of B733s but is now being slowly replaced by A320s.

Boeing issued a notice last week requiring all B733 operators to check their aircrafts which NZ have done with now all B733s back in service


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25171 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 18588 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
I doubt it though.. DPS is likely to be far more in favour with those travelling to Indonesia from here. Otherwise we would have seen flights to/from CGK when GA used to fly here.

I wish they'd look at AMI - from an Australian port - although I very much doubt they're that imaginative.

But someone should - Virgin Blue? I was there a couple of years ago, and it's like Bali - and Phuket - used to be before the masses arrived, and a great deal.

http://fastboatsgili.com/lombok-indonesia.htm

mariner



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25 alangirvan : That is one reason why Garuda is important for tourism to Indonesia - they used to produce the Brochure - Bali and Beyond for people who wanted more
26 A330NZ : Real peoples ratings (out of 10) on Skytrax average out as... Air Asia = 5.9/10 Air Asia X = 6.0/10 Royal Brunei = 6.1/10 Jetstar = 6.3/10 Pacific Bl
27 NZ107 : And how many people in the industry actually regard the Skytrax rating as a credible source?
28 mariner : I'm quite surprised by the number of places in Asia generally and Indonesia particularly that are not served from Australia. I suppose the problem is
29 alangirvan : Reading the links to the NZ Herald articles about China Southern give us some interesting thoughts. Tourism from China to NZ may be a goal, but I see
30 Post contains links NZ107 : I read a trip report posted last year: China Southern CZ 332: 22/APR/10: LOS-DXB: J Cabin (by abrelosojos Aug 10 2010 in Trip Reports) And I take fro
31 aerorobnz : It's not necessarily that I wouldn't fly Garuda, Bali bound passengers are the kind where price is of the ultimate importance...They are going to hav
32 NZdsgnr : OH WOW they are trying hard... just watching the "erin simpson show" on TV2 (programme for teenagers) and NZ was pretty much getting the host to prese
33 Post contains images mariner : It's brutal, certainly, but as a few airlines have shown there is a shed load of money to be made in the low fare environment. The key to it costs (a
34 Post contains links mariner : China Southern says that their new service will go to daily in 3 months, up from the present 3 x weekly: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.
35 Post contains links texan : A Pacific Blue flight had a laser light shot into the cockpit last night while approaching AKL. Story here. Texan
36 ZKSUJ : Seems to happen alot in NZ, just doesnt seem to get any publicity unless its shone at an airliner...
37 zkojh : ''China Southern says that their new service will go to daily in 3 months, up from the present 3 x weekly:'' Well done CZ great move, whats taken NZ 3
38 NZ107 : Well I think it's hard to compare seeing the size of the 2 companies. CZ is huge and can afford to do 'prestige flights' much more so than NZ can, if
39 Post contains links mariner : China Southern is planning to start flights to London, as here: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU110...proved-links-with-china-hailed.htm "It also of
40 xiaotung : Flew out of AKL yesterday and spotted 5 NZ 747's parked. That means there was only 1 NZ 747 flying at the time. That's incredibly low utilisation of t
41 zkojh : 2 more 744's are due to leave this year and one early next year when the last 77W is delivered, this in turn will leave 2 744's in the fleet in 2012 -
42 Kaiarahi : Discussed on previous threads - keeping 2 744s for SFO and/or YVR frees up 2 772s for other (new?) routes.
43 Mr AirNZ : Would you believe but six were there for most if not all of the day. One in a hangar, two parked down by the maintenance facilities, two to the east
44 aerorobnz : NZ6 has dropped back to a 772 from a jumbo. It's now using the 772 rotation that was heading to SFO and the 744 using the NZ6 rotation. I guess this
45 kiwiandrew : Those are only short term, aren't they?
46 NZ2 : I did a flight last Monday and was counting up the 744's and wonderd if I would see the whole fleet, saw only 5 of them however....
47 Post contains images aerorobnz : Yeah for the time being...However if Beijing can cope with 3x a week 772 HKG can surely cope with a daily "half' of a 777 and 3 a week of a full one.
48 Post contains links A330NZ : QF50 In Trouble, Headed To SYD (by Teej13 Apr 12 2011 in Civil Aviation) QF50 operates the 06:15 flight from AKL - SYD It was a 737-800 operated by Je
49 DavidByrne : While the HKG flights are indeed short term, for most of the "season", they are using a 77E that would otherwise be sitting idle at HKG. Remember tha
50 NZ1 : Two going mid year this year, and two more next year, leaving a fleet of two. NZ1
51 joelyboy911 : Having just flown AKL-SFO on ZK-SUH (I think), and SFO-CDG on an AF 744, I have come to the conclusion that those of us accustomed to NZ's service and
52 aerorobnz : This has been a consternation of mine for some time. The coffee on NZ even in business class is useless. As a coffee drinker I find it very unpalatab
53 Post contains links aerokiwi : Ok so my previous link didn't work - perhaps this one will... http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...ing-Air-NZ-pilots-refuse-to-retire Interesting st
54 ZKSUJ : Thats a lot od older pilots who should have been retired or close to it if the age stayed at 65
55 RAGAZZO777 : That doesn't surprise me at all. Avianca is Colombia's 'flag carrier'. That country produces some of the best coffees in the world.
56 aerorobnz : Yes definitely, they use Juan Valdez coffee onboard. NZ has some pretty local coffee 'blenders' for our cafe culture. It's a pity NZ can't have a dec
57 timb777 : You bend over in a crouched position, lean back slightly, and let gravity do the rest. I toured the 77W today in CHC today with much interest due to
58 Post contains links nzstevenc : Email from Air New Zealand "loyalty" department: http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/airpo...ollars-earned-on-airnz-from-1-june http://www.airnewzealand.co
59 LondonCity : The point is that you toured the 77W on the ground in CHC. Would those 10-across Y seats still "seem OK" were you having to sit in them for a transpa
60 sunrisevalley : and settled for fewer seats in exchange for higher occupancy and probably a higher yield.
61 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Did you sit in it for 12 hours? Did you try crossing your ankles or your legs? Did you try using a laptop? Why are the cabin crew (who deal with real
62 timb777 : You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. I see valid points within your complaints, but I am trying to provide more balanced feedback to this
63 Kaiarahi : My definition of loyalty includes not being afraid to speak up when (in my experience) NZ risks diminishing its well-deserved excellent reputation fo
64 aerokiwi : I just received that too. A massive reduction in Airpoints earning on other carriers even if it's ticketed by NZ. Given NZ is almost never the cheape
65 BlackLabel : What increased personal space? As someone who's spent quite a bit of time in PE on the 772, 744, and 773 there's less personal space in the 773 than
66 NZ107 : I still like it from my point of view but I completely agree that the implementation was horrible. It was looking like a wonderful innovative product
67 sunrisevalley : with the strength of their balance sheet and their demonstrated willingness to adjust capacity during the last slowdown I suggest they should have no
68 Post contains links Zkpilot : A VA 77W blew an engine at LAX, I suggested in the thread V Australia Engine Problems (by Springbok747 Apr 14 2011 in Civil Aviation) that NZ could of
69 NZ107 : More follow up on the 77W seating arrangements/service.. This from a flight attendant working the 77W since it was delivered and also getting feedback
70 aklrno : My take on the77w LAX-AKL on April 12 agrees with that. The seat and IFE improvements are nice but not extra special. One Ambien and I can ignore jus
71 brucek : Thanks.
72 koruman : Tim, with all due respect I think that Kaiarahi's concerns are valid, reasonable but most importantly they are commercially highly significant. Premi
73 timb777 : Fair enough. My definition of loyalty is: sticking with someone or something through both the ups and the downs. In this case it's an implementation
74 aerorobnz : I've been at 3 NZ2 flights this week. OKN,OKO,OKM respectively. All went chokka full in every class (remember that skycouch get a middle seat for a co
75 nzstevenc : Agreed. But I'm even more appalled at the earning power on NZ's own metal. Take a discount economy booking LHR-LAX-AKL-LAX-LHR for example. NZ APD ea
76 aerokiwi : Strong balance sheets have a funny way of turning around exceptionally quickly in the airline business, especially if you rely too much on a specific
77 Post contains links darenw : Just read some interesting information on Wikipedia about Air NZ and the 772LR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand Interim Ultra Long Range 7
78 Post contains images A330NZ : I can't answer this, but NZ has made the right choice
79 darenw : I didn't think the 787-9 was capable of operating AKL-NY non stop?
80 aerorobnz : Wikipedia is not any more accurate than A.net when it comes to speculation on fleets.
81 777ER : Any hints on announcement dates/correct routes as what is said in wiki?
82 Post contains images NZ107 : Who knows, but it could have been an A.Netter desperate to see the 77L fly for NZ who published it!
83 koruman : At the moment it is looking unlikely that it could operate AKL-DEN or IAH! My understanding is that in some ways the 789 is in even more trouble than
84 Kaiarahi :
85 koruman : I asked the crew on my flight last week about the issue of the overwhelming negative feedback about the Premium Economy Spaceseat, and when a row wou
86 Kaiarahi : That would be short-sighted. If bookings are that strong, it just means even more people who may potentially decide not to fly it again. It will be a
87 NZ107 : Well if you read that post of mine again, you might find a couple of answers..
88 ZKSUJ : Hmm, I don't know if that would be the best idea for NZ managment. Use the lowly utilised 744s while you have them to sort it out would be my opinion
89 A330NZ : Sounds great! Now we need to convince NZ to sort out 2 of it's 3 classes, which it put a lot of money into... Fingers Crossed
90 BlackLabel : I've been informed the 77E refit will be deferred twelve months due to the Japanese and Christchurch situations; and that management is wildly aware
91 aerokiwi : Remarkable isn't it? We got Youtube spin on the multi-year development process, the expertise and teamwork and blah blah blah and yet they managed to
92 Kaiarahi : I was asking about meal service in Y+, which on my flight was way slower than J (well over an hour between appetizer and main), pre-flight drink (whi
93 Kaiarahi : Assuming you're trying to stay with *A, AC offers a pretty decent two-class product SYD-YVR (J hard product same as NZ, soft product not quite as goo
94 NZ107 : Well can't say for the preflight drink but I thought you may have been able to assume that all the new style cookers were removed and replaced with t
95 nascarnut : Currently sitting in AKL are 3 Airwork 737 freighters. ZK-NQC 737-200QC operating the usual Mon - FRI twice a night AKL-CHC mail run ZK-FXT 737-3B7F c
96 Zkpilot : So how is ZK-NBW doing on the LAX-Oz charter run for VA? Nice change for the crew no doubt!
97 777ER : Went to my local Air NZ Holidays store today and had a very interesting talk with the travel agent there about the B77W Y seats and Y+ product. Her an
98 zkncj : Whats up with the A320 seatmaps? My flight for Wednesday has had its maps locked for like 7hours now, usally after flight editing they reopen the seat
99 aerorobnz : To where?? That would depend on how full, what your fare is, and whether or not the W&B is affected.
100 zkncj : Its to OOL, I'm on Seat+Bag but I'm Koru[Edited 2011-04-17 22:54:46]
101 767er : After the refit I recall reading the 744s couldn't do SYD LAX non stop?
102 NZ107 : Maybe with payload restrictions? They wouldn't have much cargo onboard. They've operated those charters to LAS from the east coast; IIRC that was non
103 Zkpilot : After the initial refit it created a nose heavy situation and more weight. However they have been refit again since then to have more premium economy
104 Post contains links LondonCity : I read that NZ management "pointedly chose not to deny those rumours" when speaking to this Australian business travel magazine. So maybe Y+ leg room
105 Post contains links A330NZ : AKL-PPQ On sale, NZ's first new rout in a while!! http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...paraumu-flights-on-sale-from-today
106 Post contains links aflyingkiwi : Air NZ's international passengers drops 8% in March http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/air-...passengers-drop-8-in-march-4137355 Air New Zealand's March
107 777ER : Will be nice having PPQ (new name will be Kapiti Coast Airport) as another option instead of driving into Wellington for us north of Wellington resid
108 alangirvan : I was in a tourist bus which drove past the gate of the airport a couple of years ago. It seemed like quite a quick bus journey to/from the main Well
109 777ER : Theres no current plans to have an airport bus operating to/from Kapiti, but it is served very well by train/bus or a 3km walk from the Railway Stati
110 Post contains links 777ER : Virgin Blue is becoming Virgin Australia for Domestic and V Australia possibly taking over Pac Blue and Poly Blue Virgin Australia Logo Revealed (by w
111 767er : It does make sense when you think about it. This will capture the PPQ AKL business market. Does NZ intend building a Lounge at PPQ does anyone know?
112 777ER : From memory the airport is building a lounge
113 Post contains images aerokiwi : Seriously, you'd think this would be an exceptionally basic feature addressed very early on by the local Council. 3km walk eh? Oh yes, how convenient
114 777ER : When the WRC (Regional council) was reviewing the bus services to/from Tawa/Porirua/Kapiti last year it was decided to not introduce a Kapiti Airport
115 Post contains images haggis73 : The extra cost would be overnighting the AKL crew as there won't be a crew base there, but I'd think the cost of overnighting an aircraft at PPQ woul
116 NZ107 : Just a thought - could they use WLG based crews?
117 Unclekoru : I imagine that Tasman flying ex CHC has taken a hit too, possibly contributing to the overall reduction in Tasman/Pacific load factor? CHC TT flying
118 NZ107 : Well I've got no idea what the crew structure is like at Air NZ.. Let alone any airline. But say there was already some sort of Air Nelson base in We
119 Unclekoru : Yes, Air Nelson does have a Wellington base. Possible? Sure, but agreement would be required from both parties. The current contract has provisions f
120 aerorobnz : There's plenty 'based' at AKL that commute from HLZ/TRG/WRG even CHC.... and I'm not talking domestic/320 crews here.
121 Mr AirNZ : There are (or have been) a few Air NZ pilots who live on the Australian East Coast and commute. Paraparaumu will be done as an overnight and the timi
122 Post contains images NZ6 : Let everyone voice their opinion, no one is right or wrong here, some feedback has been positive but overall there is enough feedback to suggest that
123 Zkpilot : I'm still thinking that Boeing is keeping its powder dry and costs down. I say this because the -8 and -9 share the same wing. However Boeing could d
124 aerokiwi : Only when the relationship between member airlines is actually functional - NZ and SQ is a prime example of where there appears to be little to nil c
125 NZ6 : Can you be specific about what you don't like? Remembering that they although they are both in the same Alliance they are also competing for carriage
126 sunrisevalley : s The type is not that overweight . I do wonder where the engines are at power wise and fuel burn wise. I found it strange that Boeing reduced the fue
127 NZ6 : I've had it direct from within NZ that's it going to be overweight. I can't recall if it was the 787-9 he was referring to as well now i think about
128 A330NZ : I would say there is a bit more than that, SQ codeshares with NZ on flights between CHC and AKL, WLG, SYD, DUD, ZQN, MEL and BNE WLG and SYD, BNE, AK
129 NZdsgnr : WOW! 2 skytrax reviews on skytrax on the "same" day with high ratings! Trip Rating : 9/10 Cabin Flown: Premium Economy LHR-LAX return in centre of 2x2
130 NZ6 : Question is which routes would you? SYD/BNE/MEL/ADL - SIN maybe but NZ can't compete with SQ in the airfare war so they don't bother, SIN - LHR/MAN/F
131 Kaiarahi : Thank you for your so generous condescension. Perhaps you might want to read what I said in context. Why would your direct source in NZ be talking ab
132 NZ6 : Because they are keeping a close eye on it's development.
133 koruman : Congratulations are in order to the marketing department. One negative remark across two overwhlemingly positive planted reviews. I wonder whether th
134 DavidByrne : Sorry, K'Man, but this is just so much supposition, and quite insulting to the carrier without any supporting evidence. I know it's hard to accept, b
135 777ER : Read in todays Dominion Post that PPQ (re-named Kapiti Coast Airport) are building their own VIP lounge. Don't know if they plan on doing a WLG style
136 PA515 : This review also mentions there were only 10 pax in Premium Economy LAX-AKL, just 20% of the 50 seats! There is another Skytrax review that gives the
137 Post contains links A330NZ : CHC's new check-in hall opened for international passengers on the 28th http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...Expect/article-402/what-to-expect/
138 MillwallSean : Anyone knows what happened to BI:s departure last night. Delayed for 14 hours despite the plane having arrived pretty much on schedule to AKL? Pax all
139 aerorobnz : I don't know, but it was defuelled on the gate before leaving gate 2 early this am. I suspect most of the delay involved is that the crew ran out of
140 zkncj : The 772 was sitting in the Hanger at around 10am this morning
141 nascarnut : A320 ZK-OJG about to do some off-shore work. Scheduled to operate NZ6001 CHC-NOU ETD 1800 ETA 2050 Will then operate NOU-WLS-NAN-NOU-VLI-NOU on the 2n
142 NZ1 : Air Calins A320 F-OJSB is having a C Check in CHC from 2 - 9 May. OJG is on charter covering SB's schedule. NZ1
143 haggis73 : It was V8-BLA, had a centre tank fuel leak.
144 Post contains links b767erwinglets : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10722597 Well this is the nail in the confin for me and Air NZ Airpoints. More re
145 xiaotung : Only not a lot of fares on NZ accrue miles on other partner programmes including long hual. Short haul is worse. This decision will probably drive a
146 Kaiarahi : The reason given doesn't add up. If too many reward flights are being claimed, the obvious response is to lower the availability of reward seats. Of
147 xiaotung : But they can't because Airpoints can be used to redeem on any available seats. Probably dug their own grave when they invented Airpoints Dollars. And
148 Kaiarahi : I didn't know that - most other programs manage reward seat availability. This also explains why you can very seldom get a NZ reward flight using oth
149 Post contains links and images NZ6 : Why would you do that? is there an equivalent to flybuys that earn you Mileage Plus Points? Is there a credit card that earns you them as well? If yo
150 v2fix : This is *not* a NZ phenomena - but an unfortunate practise that is endemic across the airline industry. Basically, if you book flights on an airline
151 aerokiwi : Exactly, which sucks a fatty when the company you're contracted to has a long-term contract in place with NZ for their corporate travel. I wont go in
152 777ER : Why move to QF/Oneworld if you want to remain with Star and join UAs programme to enable that?
153 Kaiarahi : And yet I don't have this issue to the same extent using my AC points with UA/CO, LH etc. Obviously seats are hard to get on popular routes at peak s
154 koruman : I have to take issue with NZ6's comments about loyalty schemes. I do quite well with Airpoints, but that is because I buy long-haul Business and Premi
155 Zkpilot : I too think that NZ has gone too far with its cutbacks of airpoints. Yes to earning more if you spend more. At the same time NZ has to realize that pe
156 NZ6 : My apologies I miss read part of the original post. This is a fair point. Although UA are painful to deal with. And I know what airline I would earn
157 xiaotung : Absolutely. Particularly now domestic and short haul flights are chearper than before which makes it even easier to burn and at the same time people
158 aerorobnz : In the past month I have burned 236 airpoint dollars to buy the following tickets. I think this illustrates just how easy and how cheap it can get. I
159 koruman : Yes and no. I would argue that the correct response is to return to a distance-based earning regime, combined with a distance-based redemption regime
160 aerorobnz : I would prefer mileage based as well tbh. At least it limits the number of 'freebies' per flight...
161 nascarnut : Air NZ to operate two extra AKL-LHR 747-400 services after RWC Final. 25Oct AKL-LAX-LHR NZ1004 dept AKL 0130 arrv LAX 1730 -1 dept LAX 1930 -1 arrv LH
162 aerorobnz : ZK-ZQF is now in Wallabies World Cup livery btw...
163 BlackLabel : At NZD$23.60 per sectorI think it illustrates NZ has a fare problem, not an Airpoints redemption problem. I know several NZ frequent flyers that have
164 xiaotung : The fares are there for competitive reasons while Airpoints redemption should not be in line with the fares for the same reason. With the current Air
165 Kaiarahi : I really don't understand why they put themselves in this bind of their own making. Which they're not in most plans. When you give your points a doll
166 sunrisevalley : should this read 26/27 October?
167 koruman : These comments really highlight where this is going wrong, and stopping the program from acting as a loyalty program is intended to. A loyalty progra
168 NZ6 : You can't have it both ways, Kiwis want the cheapest tickets and loads of rewards points. Sorry one has to give. Koruman travels in the premium cabin
169 Unclekoru : Air dollars are great for redemption. Far easier than with any other programme that I am aware of. Must keep company liabilities down too. It's a fine
170 NZ2 : I don't disagree with most of the comments regarding airpoints, but surely the best value return with airpoints is for upgrades. I never use them to g
171 timb777 : Firstly, I too find the airpoint earning changes a little disappointing. A few years back when I flew EK to Europe in Y I earned enough miles to do ei
172 777ER : I certainly agree that airpoints are excellent for upgrades. I only use my airpoints for upgrades on long haul and get more upgrades which enables NZ
173 BlackLabel : Price is one of the least interesting aspects of travel to me. I travel because I have to, not because I want to - schedule, service, and value are f
174 PA515 : The 744's 'in storage' at CHC are NBV and NBW. Presumably Air NZ is using up the available hours on the aircraft about to be returned to lessors. As
175 v2fix : Same. V funny - having just complained earlier about the mountain of loyality points I have with VS they have just contacted me - surveying why I am
176 nascarnut : Definitely 25/26th. Because NZ1004 leaves AKL @ 0130 on the 25th, it arrives in LHR @ 1400 on the 25th. It actually transits LAX on 24th due to date
177 767er : Same here.....I have never even bothered doe an award seat. I have had a 99% success rate with upgrades. So AP suite me perfectly.
178 sunrisevalley : Gotcha.... Thanks
179 Kaiarahi : I wonder how long before * partners get pissed off and reduce the ability for their FF members to earn points on NZ. If I can earn Aeroplan (AC) poin
180 koruman : I must echo everyone else's posts - I only use Airpoints for upgrades from Premium Economy to Business Premier, and fortunately Gold Elite status and
181 xiaotung : Unfortunately Rob Fyfe, CEO of Air New Zealand, has been appointed Chairman of Star Alliance. So apparently NZ has a lot of say within the alliance.
182 777ER : So when can Star be called "Star Alliance the alliance that rips its passengers off"?
183 Post contains images koruman : Seats To Suit is now looking even dumber than ever now that Virgin Australia has just unveiled its new 737-800 - with a cabin containing eight busines
184 NZ6 : So I assume you buy more expensive airfares then to reap the rewards of loyalty points? And also force you to burn them on off peak low season flight
185 kiwiandrew : Are DJ going to put J class in all aircraft ? I would have thought that there would not be a lot of demand for it on non-trunk routes .
186 xiaotung : FFP points are free so what do you expect? Yes Airpoints can be used on any seats but at what cost? Would you really rather pay 10 times of the hard
187 alangirvan : Note that several US carriers are adding Business Class (or domestic First Class) to small 70 seater jets - the upgrades are very useful rewards for
188 koruman : NZ6 reflects the management's attitude that points-paid upgrades are a liability. But they are wrong. They burn points fast - reducing the airline's l
189 NZ6 : Pay for what you get! If you pay lead in fare get little Dollars! I'm an airpoints member prefer to earn my points via flying and am happy with the n
190 ZK-NBT : I notice that aswell, maybe due to 772 refits 2 extra 744s will stick around a little longer? Though the 5th 77W is used NZ5/6 6 weekly in Feb/March,
191 xiaotung : Excactly. If you can't use your points, pay cash! Pay what you get. Not redeem what you get. This is called cash! There gotta be thousands of ways to
192 Zkpilot : Gotta reward your valued FFs! If they chose to burn their points on upgrades then that is probably the equivilent of an extra 2 economy fares (ie 3 f
193 xiaotung : NZ recruiting more Shanghai based crew later this month: Air New Zealand Recruiting - Shanghai Based Airline Crew Chinese Flight Attendants Air New Ze
194 aerorobnz : flew back on ZK-OAB from WLG tonight. I have to say I really like the seats for comfort and like the leather. The only thing I'd change is the stupid
195 PA515 : The Air NZ website has been updated in the last 24 hours with the 5th 77W on NZ6/5 02 Feb to 25 Mar. It still shows the 77E Mo Tu Th Sa after then, b
196 BlackLabel : I buy the ticket that's most appropriate to my travel needs and gives me the best value, which includes loyalty points. I don't buy a B fare if there
197 BlackLabel : I'm also struck by the irony in some of my comments: QF is often considered a very stingy FFP. AirPoints is worse (for me).
198 ZKNCL : Hey Guys, I'm in a rush so just want to say one question right now- Are there two more 737-800's on Jetconnect order? if so are there any announced de
199 PA515 : Sounds like you don't like pax who upgrade. Air NZ needs to accomodate them. If you think maximising trans tasman revenue at the expense of long haul
200 NZ6 : No upgrades are fine. Used them many times before and I love. That is not the point. The point is the cabin on the Tasman needed to be removed and th
201 alangirvan : A shame that Freedom was closed, because that would be ideal where single class planes make sense. AirNZ is losing some business to Qantas on Trans T
202 NZ6 : The thing is there was no difference between Air NZ and Freedom towards the end, the gap was still closing. Do you have any facts to back this up? I
203 xiaotung : I don't understand this. If you work for NZ (or are in the travel industry) you get duty travel flights which don't earn FFP points. So how are you h
204 alangirvan : It was only one company, but they are Auckland based, and their magazines are nationally circulated. Yes, only one company, so they may not be repres
205 Unclekoru : By all accounts, Jetconnects business class cabin ex WLG is well utilised. Filled by whom and whether it is profitable or not I don't know. Similar c
206 A330NZ : I'm just remembering something I read a while back, about how DJ flies to every international airport in the country, except PMR (this was pre ROT bei
207 NZ107 : Really? Where's the proof that it is/was? Did you hear of Kiwi? Air NZ founded Freedom to basically try and kick them out..
208 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #95 (by 777ER May 6 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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