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Where Would The Next Destination Be For QF A380?  
User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9438 times:

Was just wondering where QF will be flying their A380 fleet once they recieved all 20.

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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Could the next route be daily SYD-HKG, but reducing the route to just once a day?

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9288 times:

Quoting Fuling (Thread starter):
Was just wondering where QF will be flying their A380 fleet once they recieved all 20.

Originally:
4 daily SYD/MEL-LHR - 12 airframes
2 daily SYD-LAX - 4 airframes
1 daily MEL-LAX - 2 airframes
Spare/Maintenance - 2 airframes
Equals 20

Guess for Now:
First 12 airframes only to have F class and to be used to LHR & LAX only:
2 daily SYD/MEL-SIN-LHR - 6 airframes
2 daily SYD/MEL - LAX - 4 airframes
1 daily SYD-DFW - 2 airframes*
Equals 12 F equipped
*Assumes DFW will justify F class, which is debatable.

Eight airframes:
SYD-BKK-LHR - 3 airframes
MEL-HKG-LHR - 3 airframes
SYD-SIN-FRA - 2 airframes*
*Assumes the 3 European frequencies can be served by 8 airframes, which is probably doable by tightening the timetable.

B744ERs:
1 daily SYD-JNB - 2 airframes
1 daily SYD-LAX (2nd frequency) - 2 airframes
3 - weekly SYD-EZE and Spare/Maintenance - 2 airframes

B744s:
General backup to the B744ERs, especially on SYD-LAX, as I assume JNB & EZE would have first call on the ERs.

My 0.02 worth

Gemuser



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
2 daily SYD/MEL - LAX - 4 airframes
1 daily SYD-DFW - 2 airframes*

At what time of day could I spot them?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

I'm gonna get flamed.........   

VCV

           


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
I'm gonna get flamed.........

VCV

lol

MEL (possibly changed to SYD) - HKG-LHR is the rumoured next A380 route (its performing badly in part due to 744 product, from what I can tell the improved economics of the A380 as well as its position as the best product on the route should make it more viable even with extra seats.
BKK apparently is not seen as viable because of higher airport fees etc and also it is a lower cost option under the current EBA for Oz based crews for their daily LHR trip (those crews don't operate A380).



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 3):
Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
2 daily SYD/MEL - LAX - 4 airframes
1 daily SYD-DFW - 2 airframes*

At what time of day could I spot them?
DFW scheduled arrival time QF7 (from 16 May) 1350, QF8 departs 2200. Mon, Wed, Fri & Sat and B744ER for now, A380s expected 2012/2013 dependent on A380 deliveries and cabin outfitting changes.
LAX from SYD scheduled arrival QF11 0945, QF12 departs 2230 Current A380 service.
LAX from MEL scheduled arrival QF93 0655, QF94 departs 2330 Current A380 service on Sun, Wed, Thr, & Fri
B744 & A330s arrive between 0645 & 1000 and leave after 2100.

Gemuser

[Edited 2011-04-10 15:52:15]


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Thanks, gemuser. I can see Qantas has a big presence in LAX and in good time should have an equally huge presence in DFW.


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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 7):
Thanks, gemuser. I can see Qantas has a big presence in LAX and in good time should have an equally huge presence in DFW.

I doubt we will ever see 5+ QF arrivals into DFW every day. Let's see how long it takes to build it to a daily service that can sustain a 744ER first...I believe this may be hard and the 789 is the better bet for daily SYD-DFW



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 7):

Thanks, gemuser. I can see Qantas has a big presence in LAX and in good time should have an equally huge presence in DFW.

Not likely because there is a large O&D market between California and Australia outside of all the connections available on AS and AA. DFW will have minimal O&D and QF is mainly using the AA connections at DFW to sustain the market. Hopefully it works and if it does you might get 2x daily with one being an A380.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 7):
Thanks, gemuser. I can see Qantas has a big presence in LAX and in good time should have an equally huge presence in DFW.
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 8):
I doubt we will ever see 5+ QF arrivals into DFW every day. Let's see how long it takes to build it to a daily service that can sustain a 744ER first
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 9):
Not likely because there is a large O&D market between California and Australia outside of all the connections available on AS and AA. DFW will have minimal O&D and QF is mainly using the AA connections at DFW to sustain the market

Who knows how it will all work out in the end, but I think 3-4 daily to DFW, from SYD/MEL/BNE/AKL (the last probably combined with one of the former) building up over 5 to 10 years is not unreasonable. DO NOT underestimate the power of that DFW hub to create and sustain markets. SYD and possibly MEL to be A380s the others B787/A350s. I agree that traffic will probably never get to LAX levels which I can see reaching 7-8 per day over the same period, at least 4 daily being A380s.

On a related note, IF UA do start IAH-AKL I really can't see it lasting as I do not think AKL is a big enough hub to sustain UAs interest, in the long run. NZ might take it over and would be more likely to stick with it.

My $A0.02

Gemuser



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User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2748 times:
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For a historical perspective, QF's RFP to Boeing and Airbus in 2000 had an indicative only listing of where QF would operate the A380 or 747-X.

That included (in order of start):
MEL-SIN-LHR going up to 9x weekly

SYD-BKK-LHR daily

MEL-LAX 3x weekly

SYD-LAX 2x daily

SYD-NRT 3x weekly

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...d-tokyo-next-for-qantas-a380s.html

You can see somethings have changed while the gist of the situation is still the same.

It will be interesting to see how the Japan area rebounds and if in the medium/long-term the route can sustain an A380.

As for BKK, others have mentioned above why QF might not be interested in making it an A380 stopover point. I'd certainly add political instability must be a factor in QF reckoning.



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

So will that make the MEL-HKG leg operated by 333 or 744 still?

User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

I think SYD-HKG would be attractive. Interestingly, they are having issues filling HKG-LHR, but maybe the A380 would help that. CX has an advantage with its J product over the QF 744... and as much as I like the QF A380, I prefer the CX bed.

I think DFW will be an option, but agree that it is more likely to be up to two 787s (MEL and SYD). However, if the newer 388s deliver the improved range and economics that could work. Not sure how the F/J configuration would be, but a lot of the leisure crowd could go via LAX so I would not rule out the F/J loads going to Central/Eastern USA via DFW -- not to mention the resources industry in Texas.

JNB might makes sense for A380 seasonally. Certain times of year that flight is oversold a lot, other times it is fairly open.

Ha they are throwing all their other flagships at PER in May, maybe they will rotate an A380 SYD-PER. If they did it would be packed, but would probably not be the best utilisation program.


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 13):
I think SYD-HKG would be attractive. Interestingly, they are having issues filling HKG-LHR, but maybe the A380 would help that.

So what are the current load factors like on the current 747s on LHR-HKG and onwards from HKG-SYD? I'm flying this route in July and am interested on what things will be like on board. Are some classes on board always full whereas others are less so?

I'm coming back on an A380 SYD-SIN-LHR and a couple of days after booking way back in October, I tried to change things as I decided to try to spend a couple of days in Singapore on the way back. No chance as all the Premium Economy seats were booked up already.

Nice if LHR-HKG was A380 in July, but with my luck - fat chance!   


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