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User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 244 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11509 times:

According to "Wikipedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100 Armavia is supposed to fly its first flight to Moscow on April 12th to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the day that Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space.

According to Sukhois website, and a google search, Armavia doesn't seem to have taken delivery of the aircraft yet. Armavias own website is also mute on the subjet.

Is there any news in Russian language to confirm the aircraft is delivered and will start commercial flight in 2 days?


"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue." Steven McCroskey, Airplane!
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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Per information from Russian aviation forums Sukhoi and Armavia have commenced the formal delivery activity earlier today (Monday, April 11th, 2011). It is believed to last for 2 or 3 days. The official celebration is preliminary set up on April 19th.

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10681 times:

Quoting EYKD (Reply 1):

Not really.

Quote:
Delivery of Armenian flag carrier Armavia's first Sukhoi Superjet 100 regional jet has been delayed due to technical issues.

The ceremony of handing over the aircraft was tentatively scheduled to take place in Moscow today.

But Armavia local representative Gagik Sarkisyan tells ATI that this has now been postponed for at least a week.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...layed-due-to-technical-issues.html

The SSJ delivery schedule is becoming a little bit of a joke. Armavia is in very bad financial shape, so let's hope we'll ultimately will see the SSJ fly passenger flights for U8.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10605 times:

Apparently this is due to SSJ100's issues and not the airline ? Though the article talks about some paperwork issues


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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10478 times:

I am really interested in the SSJ's delivery schedule. Like most aircraft, it really looks great in Aeroflot's colors and I think its competitive economics and reasonable acquisition costs give the Russian aerospace industry the platform it needs to build its aftermarket service infrastructure before the MRJ comes along.

I think the SSJ will work great in the 90-110 seat range and I would like to see aircraft of this size replace more frequent but smaller CR1s and 2s here in the United States, especially with Delta. Wikipedia reports that only 6+4 have been ordered by US companies (Willis Lease and Finance, of Willis Tower fame). Maybe they will go to a start up or to a new regional carrier here.

Anyway, as soon as there are more flying, I hope to see more orders for the type. Like the T-204-100, it probably deserves them.


User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 4):
I think the SSJ will work great in the 90-110 seat range and I would like to see aircraft of this size replace more frequent but smaller CR1s and 2s here in the United States, especially with Delta.

I'd like to see it as well, but the chances of it are likely slim to none..and that's not because its Russian made. Compared to a CRJ1000, it's just too big and bulky to be competitive economics-wise at that capacity. So, I guess I disagree with you, in that I feel its economics are actually going to hinder its competitiveness, especially in western markets at a time when fuel burn is increasingly an issue.


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10281 times:

The delivery to Armavia was due for today (April 12) but because of minor technical problems, will be next week.
Seems UT Air ordered 24 SSJ.
Source aviaport.ru for both informations.


User currently offlineirelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 4):
Anyway, as soon as there are more flying, I hope to see more orders for the type. Like the T-204-100, it probably deserves them.

Sure those two aircraft might look like a good buy on paper, but if they were really "deserving" of more orders I think they would get them. Don't tell me it's about bias or reputation either. 20 years ago I wouldn't have imagined flying on something from Brazil. But thousands do, every day. The Russian aircraft industry needs to get it's act together if it wants to be a global player. They have a chance with the SSJ.

-IR


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5939 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10201 times:
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The information that I have is that the first aicraft would be painted in Interjet´s colors.


MGGS
User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

I'd like to see an American carrier like DL or WN fly the Superjet 100. A just under 100-seat jet would do wonders in air transport system in the USA offering lower costs than a Regional Jet but less seats than a B717, B736 or A318.


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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 8):
The information that I have is that the first aicraft would be painted in Interjet´s colors.

I'm sorry AR385, but what do you mean under "the first aircraft"? Are you talking about 95001 that would be re-painted into Interjet's livery?

By the way, as reported later Armavia has signed a technical acceptance agreement for the aircraft on April 12th.

[Edited 2011-04-14 04:43:24]

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5939 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9477 times:
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Quoting EYKD (Reply 10):
I'm sorry AR385, but what do you mean under "the first aircraft"? Are you talking about 95001 that would be re-painted into Interjet's livery?

Per Avion Revue magazine of March 2011

"El primer avión finalizado en Venecia será con los colores de Interjet"

Translation:

"The first airplane finished in Venice will be with the colors of Interjet"



MGGS
User currently onlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9353 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 11):
Translation:

"The first airplane finished in Venice will be with the colors of Interjet"


I saw that on Avion Revue as well. Due to their poor reporting we'll have to speculate.

Could it be that because support and sales for non Russian markets are based in Venice, the delivery ceremony for Interjet will be there? Do they even perform paintjobs or fittings in Venice?

As I said, terrible journalism.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5939 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9248 times:
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Quoting AM744 (Reply 12):
As I said, terrible journalism

I wouldn´t call it terrible. Besides, this comes from the International Edition which tends to be a lot better vs. the Latin American one. Plus, the information cites the executives as sources and the agreement was signed by the higher ups in both companies so in this article in particular, I tend to believe what it says.

As for your question about why Venice, there is no answer for that in the article and I am really not that familiar with the Superjet program.



MGGS
User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9016 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 11):
"The first airplane finished in Venice will be with the colors of Interjet"

Now, it explains everything. SuperJet International's headquarter and customization and delivery center are located in Venice.

SuperJet International is a joint venture between Alenia Aeronautica (51%) and Sukhoi Holding Company (49%) which responsibilities include SSJ100 marketing and sales for the Western markets.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

We here also put much hope on SSJ-100 (or SU9 as it appears in schedules - and I like this!).
If successful enough it will greatly help MS-21 project with EIS 2016.

There is an important phrase in the official document of taking the aircraft by Armavia:
"The aircraft complies with technical specifications applied...".

Only many hours in service can prove it.
But if SU9 really is close to specifications, it is supposed to be better in terms of fuel consumption compared to E-190 and CRJ-1000.
It is especially interesting having in mind that it is substantially wider with 3+2 and 18" seats.

Waiting for the start of service in Aeroflot.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8733 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 15):
"The aircraft complies with technical specifications applied...".

Yeah and this is in sharp contrast with Aeroflot's remarks today

Quote:
"We have to decide how Aeroflot would receive the planes, since the deadline set in the contract has expired. Aeroflot also has questions regarding technical parameters," Levitin said, adding Aeroflot believed that planes did not match the contract technically.
http://en.rian.ru/business/20110415/163543015.html

Interesting times, certainly!



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

You know, it is something I would expect from a new airframe with new engines.
Teething issues are inevitable, really.


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

That may be about money...

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 17):
Teething issues are inevitable, really.

Yes, certainly! The interesting thing however is, how close to specifications is the current (the early frames) SSJ-100?



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (3 years 22 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Here are some numbers for standard versions of SSJ-100(5-abreast, 98 seats) and its direct competitor E-190(4-abreast, 98 seats):

.............................SSJ-100........................E-190
OEW.....................55,000 lbs.....................61,000 lbs.
MTOW.................101,100 lbs....................105,400 lbs
Wingspan.....................91 feet...........................94 feet
Range.......................1,894 nm.......................1,800nm
Seats(@32" pitch)..........98.................................98

On paper, SSJ-100 does look like a worthy competitor to E-190. I am a bit surprised that SSJ-100 is nearly 10% lighter than E-190. It seems to me that 100 seats is the dividing line between equally matched 4-abreast and 5-abreast platform. A hypothetical SSJ-120(113-118 seats) should have much better seat fuel burn numbers than both E-195 and CS100.

Anything beyond 100 seats, 5-abreast is a better platform than 4-abreast. Similarly, anything beyond 145 seats, 6-abreast is a better platform than 5-abreast. I hope Embraer elects to go with a 6-abreast( and not 5-abreast platform) for its next project as the demand for 5-abreast (100 to 145 seats) is much smaller than that of 6-abreast platform. Furthermore, EMB should build a light 6-abreast platform that has unbeatable economics for sub 2,000nm missions relative to A320NEO and B737NEO/B797.


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 20 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 20):

.............................SSJ-100........................E-190
OEW.....................55,000 lbs.....................61,000 lbs.
MTOW.................101,100 lbs....................105,400 lbs
Wingspan.....................91 feet.....................94 feet
Range.......................1,894 nm...................1,800nm
Seats(@32" pitch)..........98............................98

You could also compare with CRJ1000ER :

OEW....................51,000 lbs
MTOW..................91,800 lbs
Wingspan.............86 feet
Range..................1,691 nm
Seats...................100


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (3 years 19 hours ago) and read 7767 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 18):

That may be about money...

That is certainly a stunt Rossiya appeared to pull with the An-148 put downs and then sudden extra orders.


Dan  



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 17 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 22):
That is certainly a stunt Rossiya appeared to pull with the An-148 put downs and then sudden extra orders.

No way to describe that as a stunt. The initial FV An-148 frames were horrible. I've seen internal presentations of FV management with detailed maintenance reports of all minor & major concerns. Later frames were about a difference of day & night and that explains the follow up order.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 23):
No way to describe that as a stunt. The initial FV An-148 frames were horrible. I've seen internal presentations of FV management with detailed maintenance reports of all minor & major concerns.

I presume they weren't the same ones which were quoted in Flight International then, because it was the most contradictory thing I've ever read. Certainly the public side of what went on screamed stunt.


Dan  



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25 queb : I compare with the MRJ90LR, it's hard to believe it is (the MRJ) a new generation jet. OEW.......................not known MTOW.....................9
26 Post contains links EYKD : April 16, 2011, YEREVAN. - The Russian airliner “Sukhoi Superjet” will arrive in Armenia on April 19 without delays, Spokeswoman for Armavia Air C
27 pylon101 : Unlike Armavia, Aeroflot is tough on first SSJ frames. They claim that fuel consumption is 10% more than specified in contract. Sukhoi is responding t
28 Severnaya : I.E. Levitin will resign from Aeroflot board before July 1st.
29 pylon101 : Do we have any definition of "early airframes"? And what is considered normal when we say "first airframes are heavier"? The same issue was with A-388
30 EYKD : 95007 ferry flight started earlier today. The bird has already landed in OVB on its way to Yerevan.
31 EYKD : 95007 is in EVN now. Supposedly, reports from delivery ceremony should follow soon.
32 Post contains links EYKD : Sorry for a little bit overdoing, but finally, we've got the news report: Armenian flag-carrier Armavia has taken delivery of the first serially-produ
33 Severnaya : Great news! Thanks for posting. From when will it operate the EVN-MOW flights?
34 Post contains links EYKD : The carrier's representative in Moscow, Gagik Sarkisyan, says it will enter commercial service in a few days following completion of its registration
35 pylon101 : Great pictures. Thanks! In the meantime "Sukhoi" and Aeroflot keep arguing (actually in a light manner). Sukhoi said the earlier frames delivered to A
36 Post contains images Aviopic : A rather old fashion viewpoint for anything coming from Russia. It's not a flying pencil alright but not bulky either, in fact it is the lightest +/-
37 pylon101 : A very good post, Aviopic. From some angle SSJ may look bulky. But it is due to wing box which is already designed for a stretched version. And we sho
38 Aviopic : But a stretched version might need bigger engines. and that were I think the SSJ will meet the same problem as the E-jet. On both the engines are alm
39 pylon101 : It was probably incorrect question. I never looked into CS-300. Now I did. 2-3 config mislead me a little bit + long negotiations with Sukhoi. Anyway.
40 EYKD : 95007 just made a technical flight to TBS. According to the source in EVN it is now scheduled for flight U8 508 to SVO with arrival time 04:30 Moscow
41 Post contains images AM744 : We aviation fans should celebrate. Here's to long and profitable years of service Can't wait for Interjet to get theirs. I sure will book a domestic f
42 davs5032 : I specifically said in my post that my views were NOT based on it being Russian made. Sure, the SSJ might not be bulky... it's actually pretty lean a
43 Post contains links and images queb : Bombardier numbers : Are you sure? As per Wiki, the F100 with Tay 650 (1710 nm version) : OEW....................54,100 lbs MTOW..................101
44 EYKD : SSJ100 has performed its 1st commercial flight! U8 owner Mikhail Bagdassarov was on board as promised.[Edited 2011-04-20 21:15:08]
45 pylon101 : This is a good day for all Russian avation fans. It should be noted that without Alenia, SNECMA and Boeing I could not have happened. Waiting for pics
46 Post contains links EYKD : Some pictures from SVO: Arrival - http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=823951&postcount=3252 Departure - http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=823988&a
47 Post contains images Aviopic : Yes, at MTOW it will do max range like any other a/c and...................... ? My remark was to max payload and how much fuel could be added, thus
48 Post contains images Aquila3 : Long live the SSJ100! I would hope that more intelligent carriers would have ordered here, too, but, considering the poor one that we have, maybe it
49 Post contains images Aviopic : I see what you mean just now. The marketeers might have used a std config of 110 seats(the std. NG config), don't know and not important either. Hihi
50 ZKCIF : Ah, I see your point. You've got good parents, mate. What's your name in passport? Alesha Boeing? Alen Boysneck? Lucky You!
51 TK1244 : Nice looking aircraft, congrats to Armavia and Sukhoi.
52 328JET : A very important day! I am really happy about that new aircraft and hope we will get some flights to germany soon.
53 EYKD : It is now scheduled as U8 105 to ATH. Attention Athens spotters! Catch your luck!
54 pylon101 : Looks like "Armavia" has gaven SSJ a full scale start. Here is a week ahead schedule. Taken from avia.ru forum: April 22nd: EVN - Athens - EVN - Donet
55 r2rho : That is indeed very generous, one can only dream of such spaciousness in Western Europe and the US. Is it possible to add another seat row in a dense
56 pylon101 : Hm.. It's an interesting question. I can't be sure but I believe the number of seats is in certification. So 18" wide and 32" pitch is what this versi
57 EYKD : There should be no problems with adding another seat row to make up 103 pax @ 30" layout. A pair of type C doors is certified for up to 110 persons wh
58 queb : Actually, the type B is certified for up to 98 pax.
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