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Did TU-144 Operate Outside USSR?  
User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 851 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Other than the ill-fated Paris excursion did the TU-144 ever operate outside the USSR.... regularly or on any other promo tour?

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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

AFAIK the only regular services were within the USSR DME-ALA and DME-- TAS (i think)

During the testing period it did leave the USSR and went to Paris as well as (I think) Prague, and Berlin there may have been other brief visits to countries influenced by the USSR- it was a symbol of Soviet prestige

I believe that we have a former TU-144 passenger amongst our ranks.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

i read somewhere that commercially they just flew 25 return flights MOW-ALA, and that's it, unfortunately.

User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

AFAIK the Tu-144 operated (semi) scheduled flights only within the USSR with the only passenger service operated from Moscow to Alma-Ata and freight-only services including Moscow- Khabarovsk. The Tupolev Tu-144LL was used as a testbed for NASA's High Speed Commercial Research program, but all flights were conducted in Russia from Tupolev's facility at the Zhukovsky Air Development Center near Moscow.

Several charter flights were operated to outside the USSR with stops in East Berlin and Warsaw, which were used as a stop to and from Salon Aeronautique.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 2):
i read somewhere that commercially they just flew 25 return flights MOW-ALA, and that's it, unfortunately.

Did it fly in supersonic regime during those flights? I am not sure commercial supersonic flights were allowed on domestic runs over the USSR territory. I know when the Concorde used to fly revenue within the US (when Air France worked out a deal with Braniff out of IAD), it was not allowed to fly in supersonic regime over the US territory.

[Edited 2011-04-12 08:10:47]


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

There are some rumors it may fly again with the Sochi-2014 Olympics, but whether this will become truth remains to be seen. 77114/5 are in good state/restorable condition.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Did it fly in supersonic regime during those flights?

Yes

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
I am not sure commercial supersonic flights were allowed on domestic runs over the USSR territory.

Moscow-Alma Ata was operated in the first years with mail + cargo, later (i think from 1977) also passengers were flown and it flew supersonic. A year later passenger operations were suspended due to low loadfactor as the ticket price was double of the subsonic Moscow-Alma Ata flight and not that much faster. (well it was faster of course, but on a distance of 3000kms its economics did not warrant the operation to be continued). After that MOW-KHV was operated, only for freight.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 2):
i read somewhere that commercially they just flew 25 return flights MOW-ALA

According to Wiki (okay, not too trustable) Aeroflot operated 102 flights (55 with passenger) on the Tu-144. 3194 passengers travelled.



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User currently offlineHamtostr From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 5):
According to Wiki (okay, not too trustable) Aeroflot operated 102 flights (55 with passenger) on the Tu-144. 3194 passengers travelled.

The same number is mentioned in the book "Aeroflot - an airline and its aircraft" by R.E.G. Davies.

First scheduled flight was on Dec 26th 1975 with passenger services starting on Nov 1st 1977.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2173 times:

It flew supersonic - no doubt.
But as far as I remember old articles it could not fly at cruise speed 2,500 km/h for long.
Most of the flight was going with lower speed. 2,200.
Something related to engines.

I believe they could straighten out the issues.
But it was so fuel ineffective that they stopped TU-144 flying for that reason.
IL-86 was coming - and that one was a success.
I would better stop right here as I flew on ILW for more than 150 times and can talk about it for ages  


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