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KLM To South America In The 70s & 80s...  
User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4219 times:

I was wondering what were the destiantions served by KLM is South America during the 70's and 80's...What cities served under which routes and with what type of aircraft...I am sure they served GRU, GIG, EZE, MVD and SCL, what about CCS, LIM & BOG...?


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User currently offlinetope98 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Thread starter):
was wondering what were the destiantions served by KLM is South America during the 70's and 80's...What cities served under which routes and with what type of aircraft...I am sure they served GRU, GIG, EZE, MVD and SCL, what about CCS, LIM & BOG...?

They served CCS until June 2004, when KLM merged with AF.


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

You're forgetting PBM. A destination that was served with DC8-63s, often with fuel stops in Santa Maria. These DC8s were replaced in peak seasons by 747s or DC10s.
In the 80s KLM tried many different things, like the 743 and DC10, sometimes combined with CCS, CUR and POS.
Later the 747 was deployed on PBM en eventually replaced by the MD11 (now operating 5 to 6 times a week).

Also missing on your list are Quito and Guayaquil.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

They served as well VCP as GRU wasn't opened yet.


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User currently offlinelijnden From Philippines, joined Apr 2003, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3624 times:
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I flew Panama City > Willemstad on a DC-10 in the 70's


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User currently offlinePU803 From Israel, joined Aug 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

I flew on a DC-10 SCL-EZE-MVD-GIG-AMS at January 2, 1983. (and AMS-TLV at 1/3/1983 due to LY strike)
The good olds days.
Iddo


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting PU803 (Reply 5):
I flew on a DC-10 SCL-EZE-MVD-GIG-AMS at January 2, 1983. (and AMS-TLV at 1/3/1983 due to LY strike)
The good olds days

Do you remember the scheduling? at what time it left SCL?



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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Lima was five stops from AMS, Caracas was a 1-stop or 2-stop. No Bogota.

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

In Central America KLM served GUA, PTY and SJO with DC10s. Mostly combined with CUR or AUA.
Later on, GUA became a tag-on for the AMS-MEX stretch, but GUA was then dropped in the late 90s.
AMS-PTY-SJO was a shortlived route, but PTY returned to the network (6 weekly nonstop MD11) a few years back.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 7):
Lima was five stops from AMS, Caracas was a 1-stop or 2-stop. No Bogota.

LIM was actually 4 stops from AMS: Amsterdam – Aruba – Panama City – Quito – Lima – Guayaquil – Aruba – Caracas – Amsterdam.

CCS 1 stop: Amsterdam – Caracas – Aruba – Guayaquil – Lima – Quito – Caracas – Amsterdam



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2708 times:

Don't remember KL ever flying LIM via PBM (AF flew ORY/CDG-CAY-LIM), but I did see a KL schedule AMS-PBM-CCS and AMS-PBM-CUR.
Traffic between PBM and CCS might have been just a couple of passengers.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2646 times:

Amsterdam-Caracas was well served with the partner airline Viasa at that time...

User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 2):
You're forgetting PBM. A destination that was served with DC8-63s, often with fuel stops in Santa Maria. These DC8s were replaced in peak seasons by 747s or DC10s.

In the 1970s before the A310s entered the KLM-fleet, PBM was served on DC8s via FNA, ROB and/or sometimes CMN.


User currently offlinePU803 From Israel, joined Aug 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Hi eastern023 !

Well, I flew only MVD-TLV. Its was my first transcontinental !!!
I make checkin at 1 pm, and was on board around 3.30 pm. I do remember we land at TLV around 6 p.m.

Iddo


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8606 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
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Quoting timz (Reply 7):
Lima was five stops from AMS, Caracas was a 1-stop or 2-stop. No Bogota.

During the mid 1970's, KLM operated into LIM twice weekly with the DC-8s:
AMS-FRA-ZRH-LIS-POS-CCS-CUR-PTY-LIM weekly DC8
AMS-ZRH-MAD-CCS-CUR-PTY-GYE-LIM weekly DC8


User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

From July 1983:

KL 761 Amsterdam-Santa Maria-Paramaribo

KL 762 Paramaribo-Santa Maria-Amsterdam

KL 770 Guatemala City-Panama City-Curacao-Amsterdam

KL 771 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Port of Spain-Curacao-San Jose

KL 772 San Jose-Aruba-Port of Spain-Amsterdam

KL 773 Amsterdam-Zurich-Lisbon-Caracas-Curacao-Guayaquil-Lima

KL 774 Lima-Quayaquil-Curacao-Caracas-Zurich-Amsterdam

KL 775 Amsterdam-Zurich-Lisbon-Caracas-Curacao-Panama City-Lima

KL 776 Lima-Panama City-Curacao-Caracas-Zurich-Amsterdam

KL 777 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Aruba-Quito

KL 778 Quito-Aruba-Caracas-Amsterdam

KL 779 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Caracas-Aruba-Panama City-Guatemala City

KL 785 Amsterdam-Liston-Curacao-Port of Spain-Panama City

KL 786 Panama City-Curacao-Port of Spain-Amsterdam

KL 791 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Rio de Janeiro-Montevideo-Santiago

KL 792 Santiago-Montevideo-Rio de Janeiro-Lisbon-Amsterdam

KL 793 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Rio de Janeiro-Campinas-Montevideo-Santiago

KL 794 Santiago-Montevideo-Campinas-Rio de Janeiro-Lisbon-Amsterdam


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
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Quoting PI767 (Reply 15):
From July 1983:

KL 761 Amsterdam-Santa Maria-Paramaribo

KL 762 Paramaribo-Santa Maria-Amsterdam

KL 770 Guatemala City-Panama City-Curacao-Amsterdam

KL 771 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Port of Spain-Curacao-San Jose

KL 772 San Jose-Aruba-Port of Spain-Amsterdam

KL 773 Amsterdam-Zurich-Lisbon-Caracas-Curacao-Guayaquil-Lima

KL 774 Lima-Quayaquil-Curacao-Caracas-Zurich-Amsterdam

KL 775 Amsterdam-Zurich-Lisbon-Caracas-Curacao-Panama City-Lima

KL 776 Lima-Panama City-Curacao-Caracas-Zurich-Amsterdam

KL 777 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Aruba-Quito

KL 778 Quito-Aruba-Caracas-Amsterdam

KL 779 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Caracas-Aruba-Panama City-Guatemala City

KL 785 Amsterdam-Liston-Curacao-Port of Spain-Panama City

KL 786 Panama City-Curacao-Port of Spain-Amsterdam

KL 791 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Rio de Janeiro-Montevideo-Santiago

KL 792 Santiago-Montevideo-Rio de Janeiro-Lisbon-Amsterdam

KL 793 Amsterdam-Lisbon-Rio de Janeiro-Campinas-Montevideo-Santiago

KL 794 Santiago-Montevideo-Campinas-Rio de Janeiro-Lisbon-Amsterdam

KLM did not fly to Buenos Aires in 1983 ?


User currently offlinemdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

KLM intercontinental network in 1972 and 1985:

http://airlineroute.net/2009/12/30/kl-s72intl/
http://airlineroute.net/2011/02/22/w85-kl/


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
KLM did not fly to Buenos Aires in 1983 ?

It must have been the time of the Falklands War.


User currently offlinecapicua From Venezuela, joined Apr 2011, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

I flew B747-206 PH-BUG in September '72 AMS-LIS-PBM-CUR-CCS.

It was a looong, almost endless flight, even for an aviation enthusiast. The plane was named "Orinoco" and had the KLM livery on the port side and the Viasa livery on the starboard side.

Cheers,
C.


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