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SEA Int'l Service Additions - Japan?  
User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

This comes up from time to time in other threads from what I see...

My question is, what's the picture these days on service possibilities to/from SEAL to other points in Asia?

I keep hearing rumors about a Nagoya-Seattle route by UA or NH. True possibility or pure speculation at this time? Aircraft type?

Any other routes we might see in the near future? How about SEA-FUK, or SEA-CTS? I'm aware that some routes may have lower demand since the quake/tsunami, but what would work out great for the Seattle market, perhaps better than others, would be utilizing SEA-HND. With baseball season starting, it would be so much more convenient to pull Japanese tourists in from Haneda than Narita, if the timing of that flight were to be ideal.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Thread starter):
I keep hearing rumors about a Nagoya-Seattle route by UA or NH. True possibility or pure speculation at this time? Aircraft type?

A while ago, ANA mentioned that they were looking at NGO-SEA as a possible 787 route. The other four routes they mentioned were NGO-LAX, NRT-DEN, NRT-MIA, and NRT-BOS. I would think that they would start NGO-LAX or NRT-BOS before NGO-SEA.

Quoting Cessna172RG (Thread starter):
How about SEA-FUK, or SEA-CTS?

I would personally love to see DL start one of these routes (I know they flew from PDX to FUK in the past), but I doubt it's in the cards with the current lack of demand to Japan. Who knows... FUK is pretty far away from where the earthquake hit, so maybe there is an opportunity there.



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 1):
I would personally love to see DL start one of these routes (I know they flew from PDX to FUK in the past), but I doubt it's in the cards with the current lack of demand to Japan. Who knows... FUK is pretty far away from where the earthquake hit, so maybe there is an opportunity there.

Northwest briefly flew HNL-FUK in the '90s--not knowing the Fukuoka economy, I would expect HNL to be more likely than SEA (at least until Hawaiian enters the market  ).


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

HNL-FUK, JAL used to operate that route with DC-10s at least through 2005. I used to see them at FUK regularly, but the route has since been cut. The only way to do that route, or any kind of SEA-FUK routing that avoids Narita is through Seoul on Asiana or Korean, but that usually requires an overnights stay. Some folks (like me) may not want to stay overnight in Korea, although it might be fun, but I do know a number of folks who would take a SEA-FUK flight, myself included. It's a fairly large city with a fairly large business base and has a lot of things going for it. But, sadly, I would probably see a SEA-NGO flight pop up first. Perhaps we need to wait for the 787s to come online first before we see these new routes.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 1):
A while ago, ANA mentioned that they were looking at NGO-SEA as a possible 787 route.
Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 3):
Perhaps we need to wait for the 787s to come online first before we see these new routes.

SEA-Japan routes are not that long. There is no need for DL, at least, to wait for a 787 to start them. If it wanted to fly them, it could start them today with a 767 or an A332.

Not expressing any opinion about the viability of any of the routes (I know jack about Japanese markets), just pointing out that they could be flown now if deemed profitable.


User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Given the current crisis in Japan right now, I highly doubt any US or Japan-based airline will start service from SEA anytime soon.

User currently offlinegunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 1):
I would think that they would start NGO-LAX or NRT-BOS before NGO-SEA.

Maybe NGO-LAX, but there's also a lot more competition to contend with there. I have a hard time seeing BOS land this route over SEA considering the size of the Japanese community in Seattle and what I'm fairly confident is a much stronger business market.

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 5):
Given the current crisis in Japan right now, I highly doubt any US or Japan-based airline will start service from SEA anytime soon.

Could be right. We'll have to see.

It'll be interesting to see where DL goes with their international expansion at SEA...as far as I know, they don't have any new widebodies coming into the fleet and have pretty impressive hub ops to tend to at DTW and ATL, so SEA-FUK, SEA-CTS, SEA-HKG, etc. might not be coming as soon as many of us would like. SEA-SIN might also be a possibility...anyone know if SQ has ever looked at the route?

Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for CX!



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Right now, SEA has its eyes on attracting PVG and HKG service.


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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for CX!

With several daily flights just over in YVR, and cooperation with AS, I don't see this happening for quite a while.



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User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 7):

Right now, SEA has its eyes on attracting PVG and HKG service.

HNA Group, Hong Kong Airline have interested opening the route but due to the number of aircrafts available (A332s)
But they could start as soon they can put their hand on the 789s


User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 1):
A while ago, ANA mentioned that they were looking at NGO-SEA as a possible 787 route. The other four routes they mentioned were NGO-LAX, NRT-DEN, NRT-MIA, and NRT-BOS. I would think that they would start NGO-LAX or NRT-BOS before NGO-SEA.

NGO-SEA was mentioned as a 767 route in support of boeing and the Japanese heavies work on the 787 and other aircraft. It was abandoned. This could still happen but might be more likely with DL leading to a capacity reduction of DTW-NGO.
NGO-LAX was mentioned as a 787 routed re-launch for JL.
NRT-DEN was mentioned as a 787 route with NH to connect Star Hubs.
NRT-BOS was mentioned as a possible 787 route with NH. BOS has been pushing for non-stop to Asia for years. NH, JL and KE have been looking into it. With the current situation of Japan (economy not other), KE has a greater chance of starting this.
NRT-MIA would be a JL route but would need a 772LR to make it possible both ways.

I believe that SEA-NGO and FUK are possibilities. FUK is possible certainly as Tokyo based companies start considering distributing their offices to other large cities in less earthquake prone areas like Fukuoka. Thing is that FUK connects nicely to NRT and even nicer to ICN. But I bet in the next 10 years there will be a greater demand for FUK using a mid-sized long-haul aircraft like the 787, 762 or A332.

One that I think could also happen with the 787 is SEA-MNL. All MNL flights currently fly through someplace. SEA is possible year round both ways with a 787 (or 77LR). Problem is that it is not a high yield market.

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 5):
Given the current crisis in Japan right now

This is true. As I mentioned. It might not be just the earthquake, tsunami and Fukushima but the Japanese economy was on the verge of recovery and then all hell broke loose. We are sliding again. Traffic and business continues but will take much longer to recover. Businesses are looking to move major aspects out of Tokyo and in to Chubu, Kansai and Kyushu. This will allow the outlying airports of NGO, KIX and FUK to grow.



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