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Hawaiian Parks First 767-300  
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1690 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17162 times:
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It appears that Hawaiian has begun the slow process of removing the 767-300ER from its fleet. N591HA, 767-33A(ER), was flown to Victorville in late March. I'm assuming this is the return to the lessor (Ansett/AWAS). Hawaiian took delivery of 591 new from Boeing in January 2003. No idea how many more are going back this year...

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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17015 times:

Quoting n7371f (Thread starter):
Hawaiian took delivery of 591 new from Boeing in January 2003. No idea how many more are going back this year...

That's a young aircraft. Why remove it so soon?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7831 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16998 times:

Any chance of any other carriers picking them up? (DL??)


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17009 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 1):

That's a young aircraft. Why remove it so soon?

HA can only sustain so much growth at a time. Probably was not needed, plus more than likely had either a C or D check coming up


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
Any chance of any other carriers picking them up? (DL??)

I would love to see DL acquire these aircraft considering that they are equipped with the 767-400ER style Boeing Signature Interior.



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User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16790 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
Any chance of any other carriers picking them up? (DL??)
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
I would love to see DL acquire these aircraft considering that they are equipped with the 767-400ER style Boeing Signature Interior.

Oh the irony! I, too, would also love to see DL pick these aircraft up considering HA acquired some of DL's older B763s a few years back.


User currently offlinerjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 86 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16735 times:

The lessors on those 763's are looking for long term leases on the aircraft and a long extension simply wasn't viable. The aircraft need wasn't there long term for HA with the A330s joining the fleet..

Next aircraft to go back will be 593 (N593HA). That's one reason those two were not fitted with winglets - lot of cost for an aircraft leaving the fleet.

R


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16630 times:

Perhaps as an interesting idea, DL can configure some of these aircraft in the domestic 763 configuraion to free the A330s that are used on ATL-HNL to international routes, where DL's current domestic 763s do not have the range due to the fact that they are non-ER models.


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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5315 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

Unfortunate to see they're keeping the birds with the old interior, rather than the ones with the Signature Interior, for the long term.

Quoting rjm717 (Reply 6):
The lessors on those 763's are looking for long term leases on the aircraft

You really have to wonder who else could possibly be looking for very new, Signature-equipped 763ERs for the long term...


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Quoting rjm717 (Reply 6):
Next aircraft to go back will be 593 (N593HA).

When is it scheduled to leave?


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16373 times:
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We know that DL's larger wide bodies are streched thin and barely have any more slack left in their schedule. With the 3 new LHR flights started what is the utilization for their 767 fleet and how many more routes can they add before they are out of wide body capacity. I know the 2 767 will be free with Cairo and Amman being canceled for now, but if they resume how much will be left? Thanks in advance for any info. Everytime someone puts a plane for sale there are rumors of DL picking them up. They will have to get something soon because im sure that they are not going to stop expanding between now and when the 787 start arriving in 9 years or so.

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16320 times:

AC will pick up two HA 763's by this summer. There was even a post about this, either here on airliners or another forum. Can't remember, and too lazy to search.....But i do know there was tail numbers mentioned.....could be it's these two..

Edit: Just got unlazy.....and indeed, N591HA and N593HA will be the aircraft going to AC. No winglets. I don't believe they will get XM interiors. From what i hear, these two birds will be used as replacement for older 763's, and not to expand the fleet.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2011-04-11 21:10:04]


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16226 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 3):

HA can only sustain so much growth at a time. Probably was not needed, plus more than likely had either a C or D check coming up

This is a common A.Net fallacy. The only time airframes are parked prior to Check is because the are no longer economical to operate.
The maintenance program that these aircraft were maintained on does not contain a "D" check.
On average they have 12 hours and 2 cycles per day - they are very clean during heavy maintenance.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 11):
AC will pick up two HA 763's by this summer.

This is the first model for Air Canada.

It has always been in the plans for 591 and 593 to be returned to the lessor at this time. At the same time 580-582 were purchased and the Airbii were ordered.


User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 3):
HA can only sustain so much growth at a time. Probably was not needed, plus more than likely had either a C or D check coming up

I'd think it's more likely that the lease came up for renewal and the lessor wanted more than HA was willing to pay.


User currently offlinefx1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15756 times:

Quoting n7371f (Thread starter):
It appears that Hawaiian has begun the slow process of removing the 767-300ER from its fleet. N591HA, 767-33A(ER), was flown to Victorville in late March. I'm assuming this is the return to the lessor (Ansett/AWAS). Hawaiian took delivery of 591 new from Boeing in January 2003. No idea how many more are going back this year...

Well I don't see any Hawaiian 767's at VCV when I drive by and yesterday at work we had HAL9981 depart VCV on Sunday evening for a flight to HNL.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL9981

FX1816

[Edited 2011-04-11 23:24:18]

User currently offlinehellogorgeous From China, joined Nov 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15660 times:

Aircraft 591 left as HA9983 from HNL-XMN on 4/11. The aircraft is already in Air Canada colors.

User currently offlinefx1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15579 times:

Quoting hellogorgeous (Reply 15):
Aircraft 591 left as HA9983 from HNL-XMN on 4/11. The aircraft is already in Air Canada colors.

Thank you for the update....I'm surprised it still used a HAL callsign leaving VCV.

FX1816


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12024 times:

Quoting hellogorgeous (Reply 15):
Aircraft 591 left as HA9983 from HNL-XMN on 4/11. The aircraft is already in Air Canada colors.

Why XMN? I assume it was painted in AC colors at VCV since it was there...so why XMN? If it's for MRO work, why not have this done while in VCV? I'm thinking it must've been cheaper to do the MRO work in XMN, but it must've cost quite a bit to ferry the aircraft from VCV to XMN via HNL.



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User currently offlineYchocky From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11649 times:

Could it be these frames to AC will be used on their LCC?

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

HA is supposed to receive N383HA, their 4th A330-243, sometime in the near future. The airline has stated that as more A330s arrive, and 763 leases expire, those 763s will be returned.

According to photos here, up until Dec '10, 591 had not had winglets installed. 593 does not have winglets either.

Though with the proposed route expansions ... daily to/from SYD, and KIX service from July, i guess HA has enough airframes to accomodate all routes with a spare w/b.

[Edited 2011-04-12 10:09:27]


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 1):
That's a young aircraft. Why remove it so soon?

It is obsolete and fuel prices are rising. A330s are more efficient and the 787 is going to kill resale value so the lease rate will be high.

DL may need to look at slowing expansion rather than adding even more 767s to what is already the largest 767 fleet in the world. Loading up on inefficient aircraft is going to hurt with the higher fuel prices. DL needs 777s or A330s.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11070 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 20):
DL may need to look at slowing expansion rather than adding even more 767s to what is already the largest 767 fleet in the world. Loading up on inefficient aircraft is going to hurt with the higher fuel prices. DL needs 777s or A330s.

The 767 is by no means inefficient. If the price is good enough (i.e. less than half the price of an A330), DL probably would show interest in it. Look at all the used MD-90s that DL is acquiring.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

I'm wondering if 5X might pick up a few of these as the parcel market picks up again.

User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5315 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 11):
Edit: Just got unlazy.....and indeed, N591HA and N593HA will be the aircraft going to AC. No winglets. I don't believe they will get XM interiors. From what i hear, these two birds will be used as replacement for older 763's, and not to expand the fleet.

Kind of funny if the XM birds have the old '80s interior and the "cheap market" non-XM birds have the much more attractive Signature interior...


User currently onlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9053 times:
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Quoting Ychocky (Reply 18):
Could it be these frames to AC will be used on their LCC?

These were planned to come AC long before the LCC announcement. They are replacing other leased aircraft that are being returned.


25 413X3 : Isn't that were airplanes go for cargo conversion? Unless they also have a cheap maintenance facility there too.
26 Post contains links trex8 : Aren't most things on mainland China "cheap" http://www.taeco.com/company2.asp
27 413X3 : Probably right. And wow I can't spell where! Ugh
28 HAL : Completely untrue. At this point HA would love to keep the planes on line, but the lessor simply needed the planes, and decided not to offer a renewa
29 Post contains images lightsaber : Very interesting. Obviously these two aircraft were in high enough demand that someone was willing to pay more per month for a longer period of time t
30 ACABlaker : FYI to all, our new 767's will be used to start up the LCC with an all Y class config.
31 Post contains links and images HNLPointShoot : On the flip side, wouldn't that mean there will be an abundance of cheap 767s for sale in 5-10 years? It wouldn't be the first time HA has bought old
32 LAXDESI : Very interesting. As per wiki, 763 has a 350 seat capacity in all Y, which would be almost double of an A320 in all Y. I wonder if an all Y 763 would
33 hnl-jack : Ever since the HA bankruptcy, the relationship between Boeing and HA hasn't been exactly sterling.
34 seabosdca : Pretty sure that implies 8Y. I don't think AC would do 8Y even for a "LCC" sub. I'd expect to see something closer to 300-320.
35 LAXDESI : You are right. Thomson Airways has one version of the 763 configured with 328 all Y seats in 8 abreast. In 7 abreast layout, it will be closer to 280
36 rjm717 : Planned service entry date for 383 is 16 April. I don't know the delivery date... R
37 Bluewave 707 : Those two 763s were leased from AWAS, -_3A is the Boeing Customer Code for AWAS. (N587HA and N589HA, as well as N580HA-N583HA, but the latter group w
38 Post contains links and images lightsaber : You have a good point there. For the right price, HA should consider keeping the 763ER in the fleet. At todays' resale values, I do not consider the
39 Post contains links HALFA : It is being delivered as I write this! Our newest A330 is now in route from TLS to LAX. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...A/history/20110413/094
40 Bennett123 : But when will all those B787 be in service?.
41 ha763 : The problem and reason for the trustee was former Chairman John Adams, not HA itself.
42 lightsaber : You have me curious. Do you have any links? Lightsaber
43 Post contains links ha763 : http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/05/09/business/story2.html It pretty much sums up the reasons why Boeing Capital Corp. pushed for and got the tr
44 BMI727 : As of now, never with HA. But I would be far from surprised to see them in service with Hawaiian sometime in the distant future. For the time being,
45 Post contains links ha763 : BTW, there is a picture of 591 at HNL after being repainted in AC's livery and leaving for XMN at the HNL Rarebirds blog. There are also links to more
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