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Why No DCA-MDW?  
User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

I flew yesterday DCA-DTW-MDW and that got me thinking....Why doesn't Delta fly that route? I know that DL has added flights to non-hub cities out of DCA (such as MIA and BDL) that weren't operated by Northwest.

And which carrier in the past has flown this route (if ever)?

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

WN will probably be on this route shortly after integrating with FL.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6631 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

ATA flew it it I'm guessing.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5854 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 2):
ATA flew it it I'm guessing.

  


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
WN will probably be on this route shortly after integrating with FL.

Yeah, but it'll be a long time from now. Besides, I wonder if another airline will compete for it once WN gets it?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Thread starter):
I flew yesterday DCA-DTW-MDW and that got me thinking....Why doesn't Delta fly that route?

DCA is a weak focus city they are trying to dump in favor of LGA slots, and MDW is a spoke..

In terms of Chicago, DL is now focused on ORD rather than MDW. MDW-LGA flopped once WN started the route and MDW-SLC never even got off the ground. No reason to waste time, money, effort, and slots on a route that will soon be served by WN anyways...

Quoting yegbey01 (Thread starter):
I know that DL has added flights to non-hub cities out of DCA (such as MIA and BDL) that weren't operated by Northwest.

Slotholders, just like US's infamously frequent LGA-PHL operation.

Quoting yegbey01 (Thread starter):
And which carrier in the past has flown this route (if ever)?

TZ would have the most recent one to do it, unless FL ever tried it. Any idea where TZ's DCA slots went? I was surprised that WN got their LGA slots but not the DCA ones too...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
WN will probably be on this route shortly after integrating with FL.

Today's MKE-DCA (FL) will be tomorrow's MDW-DCA on WN!

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 4):
Yeah, but it'll be a long time from now.

I would imagine by the winter holidays they'll be flying it.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 4):
Besides, I wonder if another airline will compete for it once WN gets it?

Nope. MDW is down to just 3 domestic carriers once this happens - WN, DL, and F9. I can absolutely assure you that F9 won't try it, nor will DL after they got creamed on MDW-LGA. WN basically owns MDW following the purchase of TZ and now FL. Other than DL's flights to ATL/DTW/MSP you just have token F9 flights to DEN and then PD to YTZ and Y4 to GDL.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Shame no one caught the very occasional 753 trip in a photo.

I did; search the Trip Reports forum for my 2007 report on DCA-MKE on YX, and I have a picture of an ATA 753 at the gate at DCA. Camera wasn't good enough, unfortunately to upload the photo to Airliners.net database.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
DCA is a weak focus city they are trying to dump in favor of LGA slots, and MDW is a spoke..

  

DL is the only other carrier at DCA right now with a potential interest in the route, and they aren't interested in building up DCA.

Jim



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

What a timely subject. In early June, I have a meeting, in Chiago, in the south loop area, one block from the ornage line, on the CTA.

I think that, at one time, US flew DCA-MDW. I think I remember seeing the plane leave DCA, one time when I was arriving from BOS. However, that was a few years ago. Still, I checked the schedules and the flight is no longer offered.

So, I can, now, choose, of going to DCA-ORD on a really good UA fare and trek down to the south loop or I can trek out to IAD or BWI and fly to MDW, for a fare, which is higher than the UA fare DCA-ORD.

WN cant start DCA-MDW fast enough, for me, at least, in situations like this. Frustrating..................


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 7):
So, I can, now, choose, of going to DCA-ORD on a really good UA fare and trek down to the south loop or I can trek out to IAD or BWI and fly to MDW, for a fare, which is higher than the UA fare DCA-ORD.

IAD is a hassle with the shuttle bus from Roselyn. I would say take DCA-ORD and hop on CTA's Blue Line, get off at LaSalle Stop and walk to your meeting or get off at Clark and Lake and transfer to Orange or Green line to where you want to go.


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

United flew DCA-MDW for many years, aqquired from the Capital Airlines merger in 1961. A United 737 from DCA to MDW crashed on approach in 1972, with many fatalities including Watergate defendant Howard Hunt's wife.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Any idea where TZ's DCA slots went? I was surprised that WN got their LGA slots but not the DCA ones too...

Those went to AirTran. There were six DCA slots that ATA had, IIRC. Ironically enough, those slots will return to WN once the merger is through.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

What about US, wouldn't this be a good route for them, they could feed off some of the huge *Alliance base in Chicago...

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 11):
What about US, wouldn't this be a good route for them, they could feed off some of the huge *Alliance base in Chicago...

MDW-CLT, which lasted something like 2 years, didn't exactly feed off some of the huge *Alliance base in Chicago.



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Thread starter):
And which carrier in the past has flown this route (if ever)?

Midway Airlines (ML) flew DCA-MDW from 1980 until it's demise in 1991.


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

unlike DCA or LGA, MDW doesn't save you that much distance over ORD from the Loop

ORD can at least offer some international connections, while a DCA-MDW route would nearly be pure O&D (the DCA price premium over BWI/IAD makes it not too attractive to connect through)

and once WN enters any market, yields do down the drain.


User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1304 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

This seems like it would be a good route for US Airways Express to pick up with a CR2 or something along those lines.

-J.



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 13):
Midway Airlines (ML) flew DCA-MDW from 1980 until it's demise in 1991.

Midway II was also on the route when based at MDW.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 11):
What about US, wouldn't this be a good route for them, they could feed off some of the huge *Alliance base in Chicago...

That Star Alliance base is already accustomed to using ORD to get to Chicago and (mostly) IAD to get to the DC area. US is by far Star A's biggest presence at DCA but as mentioned earlier, devotes a good deal of it toward holding onto LGA slots. AFAIR, US doesn't even serve MDW anymore so to restart would incur some extra cost which probably makes it that much less appealing to them given WN's inevitable presence on the route.

777fan



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 17):
AFAIR, US doesn't even serve MDW anymore

US has not served MDW for 7 years.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
US has not served MDW for 7 years.

That sounds about right as I last recall attempting to book them for a last minute BWI-MDW flight (to no avail) about five years ago (ended up using miles to book on UA through ORD vice purchasing a full fare ticket on WN).

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