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LV Air Looking At PIE, LAL & Other Fla Airports  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6613 posts, RR: 20
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Don't know if this was already discussed.....or if there is anything TO discuss.


Where does LV Air currently fly?

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...irline-looking-for-Florida-airport


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Where does LV Air currently fly

Don't even think they are off the ground yet, so to speak!!



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Where does LV Air currently fly?

Nowhere yet. Their initial plan as reported in an thread about two months ago was only to fly between JFK and LAS.

New LAS-based Startup: LV Air (by srbmod Feb 11 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Here's the latest press release from LV Air:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...oms-later-this-year-119585864.html

Something from that press release caught my eye:

Quote:
Aircraft Leases

Later this week, LV Air Founder and Chief Marketing Officer Sean Smith and Chief Executive Officer Kent Smith (no relation) will meet with Dynamic Air in Dallas, Texas to work-out final details of lease agreements for 767 jets and flight crews, according to Glazer.

"Three other licensed carriers have submitted lease proposals to LV Air," says CEO Kent Smith. "All leases are being negotiated through Worldwide Charter Services, which is a full service charter procurement company."

If the Dynamic Air they're referring to is Dynamic Aviation's Dynamic Airways operation, their current commercial jet fleet consists of a single MD-88 (previously operated by Delta):


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That's the only jet the list on their website, and going from a recently acquired MD-88 to a 767 is a bit of a jump for a carrier like them.

http://www.dynamicaviation.com/index...d-services/commercial-jet-charter/

As for "Worldwide Charter Services", a Google search does not show a company by that name.

I'll believe this airline is real when I see a 767 parked at a gate at LAS. Speaking of which, where at LAS are they going to operate out of?


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

IIRC they are going to charge something like $400.00 to fly. My questions is why 767? How about something smaller?


Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offlinefoxtrot2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

A 767 in LAL or PIE? why? LAL doesnt even have a facility to handle 200+ people in one shot, it may exceed fire code..haha. If they were to pick any small hub airport in FL I would go with SFB or due to the location, facility, and the expertise in casino charters. If not them then MCO or TPA.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Where does LV Air currently fly
Don't even think they are off the ground yet, so to speak!!

Again, this is a virtual airline. They can start pretty much whenever they want as long as they have the money to pay an operator.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
If the Dynamic Air they're referring to is Dynamic Aviation's Dynamic Airways operation, their current commercial jet fleet consists of a single MD-88 (previously operated by Delta):

That is who it refers to. I think the 767 and the "holographic safety briefings" are a load of cr@p. They are just spin to get attention. I would expect the MD-88 is a much better aircraft for them.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
I'll believe this airline is real when I see a 767 parked at a gate at LAS.

Despite the questionable aircraft features and type, I think the route network is MUCH more solid (with the exception of JFK which is overserved) than other recent attempts at starting a new carrier such as: Vision @ VPS, Branson @ Branson, Jet America @ TOL, and Skybus @ CMH.

I think the biggest problem is that NK is basically adopting their busines plan...well, that and fuel is death for long-haul Vegas flights. I assume they will just wait to start until fuel gets cheaper...if they do start...
Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
Speaking of which, where at LAS are they going to operate out of?

LAS has plenty of space now. I wouldn't be surprised if they mothballed a terminal at some point.


User currently offlineCODCA09 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

This LV Air was looking at flying JFK-LAS and now is looking to fly to LKL or PIE? That's quite a change to the business plan.

Here's a nickel's worth of free advice to LV Air's founder Sean Smith.

"Don't make your business plan brainstorms public until you have selected the one that makes the most sense, it has substantial financial backing and you actually have the ability to fly it. The kind of business plan course corrections your making will very quickly destroy what little credibility you have. LV Air was a joke to begin with now it's a joke that's not even worth the time to tell it."

I'm not bashing just stating the truth.


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

LV Air is also looking at offering charter flights from LAS to MSP. If they actually do start flying, I doubt it will be awhile.


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting CODCA09 (Reply 6):
free advice to LV Air's founder Sean Smith....

Mr. Smith also needs to be a little bit more creative and not just buy a "premium" ($35) wordpress theme and make it into his company logo.

http://themeforest.net/item/columbia...rate-theme-with-showcase-wp/140905

[Edited 2011-04-13 14:30:51 by srbmod]


"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
LAS has plenty of space now. I wouldn't be surprised if they mothballed a terminal at some point.

I'm very aware of that fact. Looking at all of the empty gates on A and D, that does look like an open invitation, but can any of those gates handle a 767? I know NW did operate their 753s into LAS, but the wingspan on a 767-200/300 is longer than a 753's by over 30 ft.


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 7):
LV Air is also looking at offering charter flights from LAS to MSP. If they actually do start flying, I doubt it will be awhile.

Give me SY any day over a fly by night start up. After the pax board they will have to split the coast of their (LV Air) fuel bill for that flight.

Why is it some people get get money to start a operation like this one and other airlines, but someone who wants to start an honest business can't get a loan or people to reply to emails?   



Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 10):
who wants to start an honest business can't get a loan or people to reply to emails?

Talking about some personal issues there? Is it an airline? Feel free to share if it is... yes, we're nosey.



"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 9):
I'm very aware of that fact. Looking at all of the empty gates on A and D, that does look like an open invitation, but can any of those gates handle a 767? I know NW did operate their 753s into LAS, but the wingspan on a 767-200/300 is longer than a 753's by over 30 ft.

I don't think the 767 thing is serious. They are just trying to get attention.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Taking a look at the airports in the press release for potential service

RFD - G4 already does

CVG- DL currently does and could easily increase if there is any new competition. Plus I think USA 3000 would add it if there was potential

DET- route is already plenty served from DTW plus can a 767 even operate there with a decent load?

IAD- UA already does and could crush them. WN could add

JFK- Already has DL, AA, B6 on it and all could add more flights to smash them

LAL- Already plenty of service out of MCO and TPA (MCO- WN, DL: TPA-WN and one stop on DL)

STL- Already has WN nonstop (just flew it last Friday myself and one stop on the way back in PHX)

SDF- Already has WN

MSP- DL and SY

IAG - WN already does LAS-BUF

PSM- With BOS a good distance away, especially in traffic... this is the only one I could actually see but don't think its enough to support the airline

RDU- WN already does

PIE- Already plenty of service at TPA

Loose translation... most of the destinations would go up directly against WN or DL.... good luck with that!
PSM is the only one I could even remotely see working for an upstart but with fuel north of $100 a barrel right now I just can't imagine you can do what is really a transcon flight on upstart fares.


User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

I see this airline being like Jet America: flopping before they even start. To be successful, they would need a better structured business model and smaller aircraft (maybe that can be the MD-88 or a few used 733s or 735s).

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 13):
DET- can a 767 even operate there with a decent load?

737s have done it but a 767, don't think so.......

Courtesy: AirNav

AirNav: DET

http://airnav.com/airport/KDET


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Does an MD-88 have the legs to make it LAS-LAL or PIE??


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 15):
Quoting LV (Reply 13):
DET- can a 767 even operate there with a decent load?

737s have done it but a 767, don't think so.......

Courtesy: AirNav

AirNav: DET

http://airnav.com/airport/KDET

It said "Metro" in the text, so I think they were using the "City Code" which isn't really used any more. "NYC" or "CHI" are other examples of city codes. They are not always unique, in some cases they are the same as an airport in the city, as in this case. It's kind of an archaic thing from the CRS era. Anyway, not confidence inspiring.

Again, though, they are a virtual airline, so there is no vetting process from DOT. They just need passengers.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

I don't think the 767 thing is serious. They are just trying to get attention.

If they were trying to get attention, they'd be using the 747...... Since they are farming the flights out to existing charter operators, there are several US charter airlines with 767s in their fleets, Vision Airlines, Ryan International, North American, Swift Air, and Omni Air International.

Quoting nkops (Reply 16):
Does an MD-88 have the legs to make it LAS-LAL or PIE??

It would definitely be pushing it, especially on the westbound flight. G4 a couple of years ago was flying their Mad Dogs from LAS to some cities in the East, but I believe they were using their MD-83s, which have a greater range than the MD-82/88.


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