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When Will ORD Receive 380 Flights?  
User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

Also, who will be first? I think LH will replace their 747 with it and maybe AF since they're expanding right now. I'm not aware of all the airlines on the 380 list but I'd like to know what I can count on to snap some pics. Thanks.


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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7774 times:

From a controller's perspective, hopefully never. That behemoth created a nightmare when it flew in here a few years ago. The airport had to come to a stop due too its wingtip clearance.


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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Lufthansa stated a few years back that they planned to use the A380 on the Frankfurt-Chicago route at some stage. Not sure what their plans are now though. Also the City of Chicago planned to convert Gate M17 into an A380-ready gate but I think these plans have been sidelined? Maybe they'll wait for solid confirmation form a carrier before the conversion.


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User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

LH stated that they look closely in all there 747 destinations to find the most suitable to replace it by the A380
turnaround times , pax figures , cargo capacity , all this palys into it before they make a decision.

what are they sending into ORD at the moment ?


User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 883 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 3):
what are they sending into ORD at the moment ?

from April OAG:

FRA-ORD:
LH 430 744 daily
LH 432 744 daily
-in addition to two daily UA 777's (UA 945 and 941)

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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3345 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7556 times:
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Does the A380 fit in any of United's gates? Lufthansa arrives in Terminal 5 and departs from Terminal 1.

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User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 408 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7449 times:
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I don't see AF ever sending the A380 to ORD. They use a single daily A330 half the time. Upping it to an A380 would be a huge increase.

LH is the strongest possibility IMO. BA and KE also possibilities but less likely. Other than that there really isn't anyone unless EK get ambitious or QR order the A380.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 5):
Does the A380 fit in any of United's gates? Lufthansa arrives in Terminal 5 and departs from Terminal 1.

It ought to fit in a high B gate or two, a high C gate or two, and perhaps F14 with adjacent gates blocked.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
maybe AF since they're expanding right now.

ORD has not historically been a real good passenger performer for AF/KL, though both do well with cargo (which explains the AF cargo flights over the years as well as KL's equipment choice).



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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3345 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
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BA might be a possibility if AA ever cuts capacity to LHR from ORD. I don't see KE sending it. LH is definitely the favourite to do it considering how UA/LH are partners.

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 8):
BA might be a possibility if AA ever cuts capacity to LHR from ORD

Wrong way of looking at the situation. With the AA/BA/IB JV, all JV flights are "metal neutral" so it's a case of will the JV rejig schedules at ORD and use the JVs A380s (the fact they are owned by BA is supposed to be irrelevant). In fact any JV route where the A380 makes economic sense is a potential A380 route.

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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 5):

Does the A380 fit in any of United's gates? Lufthansa arrives in Terminal 5 and departs from Terminal 1.

I don't know for sure but I would guess the answer would be no - at least without major adjustments to the gate areas Cubsrule mentioned. I think the main issue is the width, as the A380 is only 2.4m longer than the 747 that currently parks at B17 I believe. The wingspan, however, is 13.4m wider on the A380, which could render the adjacent gates useless. I'd have to guess, based on the 747 parked on that corner of the B terminal in the current Google maps image, that the 380's wings would extend past the red outline of the parking area. It already looks like parking a 747 there blocks another gate too.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=o'hare...6844&spn=0.000678,0.00142&t=h&z=20



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6322 times:

You have got to look at LH as the main candidate to start the 380 on this route. UA and LH to and from Germany are so strong, LH can easily fill it and some.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8487 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 1):
From a controller's perspective, hopefully never. That behemoth created a nightmare when it flew in here a few years ago. The airport had to come to a stop due too its wingtip clearance.

You're basically saying that ORD is not CAT F compliant. Is that right? If so it could be a long time until we see regular A380 ops at ORD.


User currently offlineairportplan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5947 times:

ORD has has a plan to accept the A380 for almost ten years. Specific taxi way routes were developed and approved by the FAA. As was mentioned above gate M-13 at Terminal 5 will be used for the 380. LH has indicated to the City of Chicago Department of Aviation that they plan to bring the 380 to ORD within the next 18 months. The aircraft will not depart from Terminal as do other LH flights. The 380 will arrive and depart from Terminal 5.

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5899 times:

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 10):
I don't know for sure but I would guess the answer would be no - at least without major adjustments to the gate areas Cubsrule mentioned. I think the main issue is the width, as the A380 is only 2.4m longer than the 747 that currently parks at B17 I believe. The wingspan, however, is 13.4m wider on the A380, which could render the adjacent gates useless. I'd have to guess, based on the 747 parked on that corner of the B terminal in the current Google maps image, that the 380's wings would extend past the red outline of the parking area. It already looks like parking a 747 there blocks another gate too.

The 747 is parked at B16. B17 is the corner gate, which through a quick measurment on google earth looks like it can fit an A380 (just about).

[Edited 2011-04-13 10:46:41]

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 2):
Also the City of Chicago planned to convert Gate M17 into an A380-ready gate
Quoting airportplan (Reply 13):
As was mentioned above gate M-13 at Terminal 5 will be used for the 380.

You're right; my mistake. It will be gates M13/M14 combined to create an A380-ready gate.

I found these links which are quite outdated but it seems that ORD will be in a position to handle the A380 if an airline decides to deploy it here:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...a380-wendy-abrams-largest-airliner
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~lwhite/f...Chicago%20Tribune%20Dec-1-2005.pdf



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5754 times:

Quoting airportplan (Reply 13):
LH has indicated to the City of Chicago Department of Aviation that they plan to bring the 380 to ORD within the next 18 months.

Interesting. So I should expect the 380 at LH around then? I'll look forward to it. What about the other airlines that serve

ORD? Are there any other possibilities you guys can think of other than LH? If ORD is a major international airport that houses a lot of various foreign airlines than I'd hope there will be at least two or three like LAX and JFK have.



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User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 408 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5561 times:
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LH could use two daily ORD-FRA A380 flights really. Currently there are 2x 744 and then UA has 2x 777, UA is upgauging one to a 744 for summer IIRC.

I'd say thats more likely than seeing an AF 380 to ORD.


User currently offlinenordair737242c From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5364 times:
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Quoting P3Orion (Reply 1):
From a controller's perspective, hopefully never. That behemoth created a nightmare when it flew in here a few years ago. The airport had to come to a stop due too its wingtip clearance

Wasn't it more a consideration of the fact that some aircraft company that has their head office in the windy city wanted to cause problems for the whalejet when it arrived. Heck we couldn't even get to see it as the cops and rent a cops were chasing the public away....   

and why dont we have the problem in Toronto or Montreal they are definitely smaller airports than ORD ....   



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

I sure wouldn't mind seeing some A380 weather diverts to MKE.  


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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Any issues bringing the 748 to ORD? Since Boeing's HQ is in Chicago I could see them having PR enjoyment with that. I'm sure if not the 380 we'll see the 748.

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

AF, again a mix of A340/A330 and already have UA and AA going there everyday, too much capacity. KE possible, see it though on the bottom of the list of potential A380 cities. I would put my money on LH. I can not wait though to see the whale jet making a regular trip here. EK would be nice, but I do not see them coming here too soon let alone with A380, QR not at all.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting Kngkyle (Reply 17):
I'd say thats more likely than seeing an AF 380 to ORD.

Why? Reasons stated above tell you that they will struggle with that added capacity. LH/UA dominate the ORD- Mainland Europe route. Throwimg a 380 at it will not help.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2214 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Why do LH and ANA depart from T1? Is that to facilitate domestic to Int'l connections from UA? Same with IB (and soon to be JL) in T3 from AA?

I do not understand why these four airlines do this but others do not (i.e. BA, LX, TK, etc)

I could see KE starting ORD as an A380 route. They are increasing capacity to ORD to more than daily.



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Let's hope AF DOESN'T upgauge ORD... because the next step up isn't the 380, it's the dreaded 10-across 777!
LH will do it though. Maybe next summer.


25 rdh3e : Exactly why you quoted. Easy feed from UA domestic. Most likely others do not switch because of the $$$ associated.
26 Post contains images yowgangsta : With 90 some 380s, I don't think EK is ambitious Seriously, it's just a matter of time before EK flies one or more 380s to ORD. They already flies th
27 yeogeo : I agree with you, I don't think seeing the KE Whale is out of the question at O'Hare, eventually. In July of this year ICN-ORD increases to 10 weekly
28 ordjoe : Even if just a 3x a week I would love to see this bird come here. I would be happy even if EK sent one of their 777's our way, with the network that
29 GlobalCabotage : LH is the most likely due to strong ties with UA and between the 2 airlines, 3x daily 744 a 1x daily 777 this summer. It's not a question of if, but w
30 Post contains images captainstefan : LOL, the AF A380 'just about' fit behind the CRJ this week too.... Sorry, I couldn't resist
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