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Korean Air Completes Long Haul Retrofit Program  
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7866 times:
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It appears that the last two KE A330s to fly with the old inflight product (HL7702, HL7720) have been refurbished to current standards as of this week. This means that all KE long-haul aircraft are now equipped with AVOD in all classes, as well as lie-flat seats in premium classes.

The retrofit program started in November 2005 and took over 5 years to complete. Now the soft product doesn't have to be KE's only strong point.

About damn time!


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User currently onlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1086 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

Congratulation to Korean Air.
Now they can apply for 5 Star airlines status by Skytrax!
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User currently offlineAflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Good to see that KE have after long last completed their retrofit. KE do offer an excellent product as I find out on my trip to Europe with them and I think that 5-Star status is not too far away, especially with the new A380's & 748's coming over the next few years which I'm sure will offer an excellent product.

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

This is great news for Korean Air! The new product is quite an improvement. It makes me want to try it out (which I'm sure is excellent), along with the A380 in the near future.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Speaking of KE A330-200s, they've taken over now on the ICN-NRT-LAX flight, correct? At least that's what flightaware seems to show.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7167 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
The retrofit program started in November 2005 and took over 5 years to complete.

Ummm 5 years!!!!! Sorry for asking but what was involved in the refurbishment to take 5 years...?

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

EK413



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Sorry for asking but what was involved in the refurbishment to take 5 years...?

For US carriers, it's usually just the paint.  


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6909 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Ummm 5 years!!!!! Sorry for asking but what was involved in the refurbishment to take 5 years...?

Better late than never! The 747s were the first to be refurbished, with most of them being done by the end of 2006. That was followed by the 777s which were actually only done last year along with the A330s that were done this year!

During that time, a lot of new aircraft were delivered with the new interiors already installed.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 4):
Speaking of KE A330-200s, they've taken over now on the ICN-NRT-LAX flight, correct? At least that's what flightaware seems to show.

Correct. Furthermore, it goes down to 4x weekly for the next few weeks, due to the drop in demand from the tsunami.



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Great news. I flew them ICN-DPS a year and a half ago and was very disappointed by the cabin. It was passable (especially on a leisure route), but I had thought of KE as a higher tier airline. It looks like they can live up to that reputation.


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User currently offlineAeolus From Mexico, joined Aug 2007, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
For US carriers, it's usually just the paint.

Take for instance AF, it's a habit for them to repaint them every once in a while   

Seriously though, congrats to KE!
Hopefully I can try them soon. Any news on their ICN-XXX-MEX project?

-Aeolus



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User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

Just had a coworker return from a visit to Korea. He's flown a lot and was amazed by the overall quality of the experience. It was a family trip for 4, so front of the plane just couldn't happen financially. The 747 cabin, comfort, service and food he says, was superior to any Y flight he has ever taken. So, kudos to KE.


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2353 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

5 years later and they're about to start the process all over again!  


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19780 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Wait, you're supposed to refurbish your international fleet? Wow, you Koreans are weird.

Signed,

-UA, DL, and AA

 


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Wait, you're supposed to refurbish your international fleet? Wow, you Koreans are weird.

Signed,

-UA, DL, and AA

 

Careful there, I know at least one regular on here who is probably just waiting to tell us that UA's international service is absolutely unbeatable, second to none, and people who really know how to fly much prefer portable personal entertainment units to any sort of seatback AVOD!  


User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

So all the 777s flying trans-pac are refitted? I seem to remember hearing DFW and some other stations get old seats in J and old F was sold as J too. Was a while ago, but glad to hear the new product is across the fleet.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Great news--KE has an excellent product. What is the breakdown of aircraft with Prestige Plus (angled lie-flat) vs Prestige Sleeper (full flat) seats in J? Is it only the 773ER (and soon the A380) that have the Prestige Sleeper seats, or do some 744/772ER have them too?


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4543 times:

Just got off one of the refurbed 772, very nice, good AVOD and leg room in Y.

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4543 times:
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Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 14):
So all the 777s flying trans-pac are refitted?

Yes. All 777s are refitted, including the ones flying trans-pac.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 15):
What is the breakdown of aircraft with Prestige Plus (angled lie-flat) vs Prestige Sleeper (full flat) seats in J?

Apart from the 773ERs, the following 772ERs have the fully flat seats:

HL7526, HL7530, HL7531, HL7574, HL7575, HL7598, HL7714, HL7715, HL7721

The following 772ERs have angled lie-flat seats:

HL7733, HL7734, HL7743, HL7750, HL7751, HL7752, HL7764, HL7765, HL7766

All of the long haul 744s and all of the non-ER 773s and A330s also have angled lie flat seats in J. There's a single 744 that only does GMP-HND that hasn't been refitted, but that one is only confined to that one route, which means you won't see it do any long hauls.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 17):

Thanks for the info! Is the plan to refit all 772ERs with fully flat seats, or do they intend to keep the two different types (e.g., with fully flat for longer routes and angled for shorter routes)?



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13152 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4261 times:
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Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Sorry for asking but what was involved in the refurbishment to take 5 years...?

For US carriers, it's usually just the paint.

Every 5 years? Isn't that AF's wash schedule?   


 
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Wait, you're supposed to refurbish your international fleet? Wow, you Koreans are weird.

Signed,

-UA, DL, and AA

   Oh wait...

Good for KE. Part of the issue is the cost to certify the new configurations. The other bit is the seats. In 2006 and 2007 seats (and galleys) were in short supply... So I speculate. Perhaps the cabin upgrade was at first delayed by seat availability and then later the poor yeilds during the start of the recession?

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User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 17):
Apart from the 773ERs, the following 772ERs have the fully flat seats:

HL7526, HL7530, HL7531, HL7574, HL7575, HL7598, HL7714, HL7715, HL7721

Thanks. Is there any pattern to which go where? So do the US routes typically get the flat bed seats?

Looking forward to seeing the A380 in KE blue!


User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
For US carriers, it's usually just the paint.

Unless you are UA, then it's the 20 year plan.  



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4101 times:
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Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 18):
Is the plan to refit all 772ERs with fully flat seats, or do they intend to keep the two different types (e.g., with fully flat for longer routes and angled for shorter routes)?

As of right now, there are no plans to replace the angled lie-flats. However, you never know since KE is always under a lot of pressure from competition, especially from Asiana. Originally KE never had any plans to install AVOD on their 737s, but now that Asiana had started doing so on their A320s and A321s, KE is following suit on their 737s as well.

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 20):
Is there any pattern to which go where? So do the US routes typically get the flat bed seats?

The 777-200ERs with fully flat beds in J normally go on the following flights, provided they are not subbed:

KE019/020 ICN-SEA-ICN
KE023/024 ICN-SFO-ICN
KE061/062 ICN-LAX-GRU-LAX-ICN
KE071/072 ICN-YVR-ICN
KE073/074 ICN-YYZ-ICN
KE671/672 ICN-KUL-ICN (on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays)
KE695/696 ICN-KTM-ICN
KE951/952 ICN-DXB-ICN

All other 777-200ER flights are with the angled lie flats. And of course, all of the 777-300ERs feature fully flat seats in J.



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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
This means that all KE long-haul aircraft are now equipped with AVOD in all classes, as well as lie-flat seats in premium classes.

Finally!!

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
what was involved in the refurbishment to take 5 years...?

Most of the time, KE refurbishes one or two planes at a time, and it takes 3-4 weeks per an aircraft. And, there was like a year or so "break" when KE further upgrades upgraded product. Before the "break", C class in longhaul fleets have angled lie flat, but after that, fully flat. I think screen size is bigger after the break.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 11):
5 years later and they're about to start the process all over again!

Sure. Within last 5 years, the product was not consistent. And inflight products evolve fast !! (or SQ evolves fast and others chase fast.)


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