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Qatar Airways Eyes March 2012 For B787  
User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/mid...rrival-for-qatars-first-boeing-787

March 2012 seems to be the new entry date for QR's B787. The aircraft will be in a 2 class configuration. also QR announced they would start around 15 destinations next year.

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User currently offlinekaitak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Can we assume that current A330 routes are most likely to be selected as the first 787 routes?

Very interesting to see that they want to add 15 routes next year; can we speculate on likely additions?

BHX
EDI
DUB (cargo only?)
LIS
MEX
SYD
HEL
MES
TPE
UET
LBA (well, EK serves NCL and Leeds has quite a high Asian population?)

Any others likely?


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

I would say:

SFO or LAX, ORD, AMS, LIS, ADD, DUR, PER, SUB, PNH, CTU, XMN or HGH, IXE or PNQ, EBL or BSR, NJF, TBS


User currently offlineAF086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 2):
I would say:

SFO or LAX, ORD, AMS, LIS, ADD, DUR, PER, SUB, PNH, CTU, XMN or HGH, IXE or PNQ, EBL or BSR, NJF, TBS

Nothing in South America? Perhaps BOG, GIG and SCL to counter EK's expansion in the region.


User currently offlinefaddypainter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quote:
can we speculate on likely additions?

Why yes we can  

But I'm struggling to find many holes in their (pretty comprehensive) route network.

Some suggestions:
DUR
LAD
ADD
ADL
PER

Secondary Chinese cities perhaps?
It amazes me that huge cities such as Chongqing, Wuhan etc have a total lack of long haul flights for connecting in the Gulf or Europe for example. I suppose if anyone could make it work it would be QR or EK.


User currently offlinekaitak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting faddypainter (Reply 4):
Secondary Chinese cities perhaps?
It amazes me that huge cities such as Chongqing, Wuhan etc have a total lack of long haul flights for connecting in the Gulf or Europe for example. I suppose if anyone could make it work it would be QR or EK.

I think that's a very good point, but this also raises the question of how good QR's African network is, because there is now a lot of Chinese traffic to many African countries, as the Chinese search out new sources of minerals to support their growth. This is why you see ET build its Chinese network very strongly (and will continue to do so).

KLM has also been a leader in opening secondary Chinese cities, although presumably not with an eye on the China-Africa market (although it's not impossible to fly via AMS, just a bit out of the way).

Just out of interest, if the new DOH Airport opens later this year, I wonder will QR's 787s see service out of the current airport? Possibly, but just for a very short time window?


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
Nothing in South America? Perhaps BOG, GIG and SCL to counter EK's expansion in the region.

Nope, at max I see them offering dedicated non stops to EZE and GRU.

Quoting faddypainter (Reply 4):
Secondary Chinese cities perhaps?

Yes, QR has announced they would start 2 new cities in China soon.


User currently offline9MMAR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

A QR insider from Malaysia informed that PEN and BKI could make it into the route map but he then advised 'no speculation please.'

However, I think should both PEN and BKI make it, they will be served via an intermediate point, DOH-XXX-PEN or DOH-XXX-BKI.

Just an input to the thread, QR recorded 245,320 passengers movement in KUL in 2010, representing a traffic growth of 74.3% from 2009.

[Edited 2011-04-15 06:28:27]

User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 7):
A QR insider from Malaysia informed that PEN and BKI could make it into the route map but he then advised 'no speculation please.'

You had mentioned QR starting SUB via KUL .... any update on that? Honestly I don't see BKI and PEN happening at all, at max a code share on MH.


User currently offline9MMAR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

I will try to inquire the latest development about the planned KUL-SUB tag on from them.

But mind you, I am just telling what they told us, so bear with me and don't kill the messenger if it doesn't materialise ok.  


User currently offlinembm3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
I think that's a very good point, but this also raises the question of how good QR's African network is, because there is now a lot of Chinese traffic to many African countries, as the Chinese search out new sources of minerals to support their growth. This is why you see ET build its Chinese network very strongly (and will continue to do so).

Very insightful post! I think we will see new routes from secondary and tertiary cities in China to Africa through a variety of hubs. These cities may not be well known to many westerners, but hold a lot of economic power as they support Chinese industry and infrastructure.


User currently offlinelightsaber From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
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These new aircraft will help QR expand at a quick clip.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
The aircraft will be in a 2 class configuration.

Once again I scratch my head at QR putting 3 classes in the A380s. IMHO they would do best having a superior J.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Very interesting to see that they want to add 15 routes next year; can we speculate on likely additions?

In some ways that is the most informative bit of the OP's link!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Can we assume that current A330 routes are most likely to be selected as the first 787 routes?

I would assume routes that better utilize the 788's range. Perhaps not the 'break in' routes, but shortly thereafter. e.g., EK did DXB-LHR and then DXB-JFK with the A380 (IIRC).

Quoting ojas (Reply 2):
SFO or LAX,

Those are more in line with the expansion I would envision with the addition of the 788. I would add ORD.

Quoting faddypainter (Reply 4):
Secondary Chinese cities perhaps?

I am unable to figure out why the mideast hubs do not have more service to secondary Chinese cities. Does anyone know the bilateral status?

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
QR has announced they would start 2 new cities in China soon.

That makes sense. Have they hinted which cities?

Lightsaber


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 9):
But mind you, I am just telling what they told us, so bear with me and don't kill the messenger if it doesn't materialise ok.

Oh not at all, just curious. Your information on KUL going double daily was indeed true and I have no reason to show any disbelief   

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
Those are more in line with the expansion I would envision with the addition of the 788. I would add ORD.

Not with the B788, can they even reach there? I think the B787s can go to the Midwest at he maximum. West Coast and Texas might be out of the range. W.r.t ORD, if they wanted they would have started it long ago. I think the number crunching market realities etc dictates EK and QR to stay awy from ORD or that other markets like South America and Africa show more promise than ORD. Again I'm speculating.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
That makes sense. Have they hinted which cities?

No they haven't. My guess is that they would start CTU for sure (with an A319LR to begin with) and the second city could be any one of XMN, HGH, NKG, probably via some existing Chinese points.


User currently offlinelightsaber From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
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Quoting ojas (Reply 12):
Not with the B788, can they even reach there? I think the B787s can go to the Midwest at he maximum.

ORD should be in range at 6,198nm still air distance even with bad winter winds with the first 788s.   SFO at 7028nm will require an engine PIP and the weight reduction planned for later line number 787s for year round service. LAX will take some work (but perhaps 77Ws or the 77L will fill that role?) at 7218nm. But if the 787 can do SFO, it could do IAH. Thus, the 77L could be freed up for route expansion (say replaced with 10X/weekly or higher frequency 788).

Quoting ojas (Reply 12):
they wanted they would have started it long ago. I think the number crunching market realities etc dictates EK and QR to stay awy from ORD

I wonder if a lower cost per flight LH aircraft, like the 787, is the aircraft to open up ORD.

Quoting ojas (Reply 12):
My guess is that they would start CTU for sure

Lightsaber


User currently offlinekevin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

I also heard that they are eyeing St.Petersburg in Russia (LED), but that's just a rumour.

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