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V Australia Engine Problems  
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15801 times:

Just heard the news on the radio that a V Australia aircraft had some engine problems while taking off from LAX bound for SYD and that passengers saw "flames"...any more info on this?


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15781 times:
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That's all I found:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=43af6865&opt=0

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User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15499 times:

BNE-LAX service today canned. So it sounds like the LAX-BNE aircraft will ferry down to SYD to operate VA1.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

Is a surge or other issue on takeoff roll considered an IFS for ETOPS?


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15368 times:

How full are their flights right now? Since they are all buddy buddy with NZ and to a lesser extent DL is there enough seats to accomodate those pax? NZ has several spare 744s sitting around, I'm sure NZ could operate a couple of charter flights for VA if needed (VA has a pretty small fleet after all basically no spare capacity).


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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15254 times:

more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/v...lames/story-e6frfq80-1226039483834

User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15203 times:

I like the AV Herald article better than the above story - a bit too sensationalistic for my tastes.

User currently offlinen88kb From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15161 times:

You should of seen Channel 9s reporting on Today. Absolutely ridiculous! A reporter was on board apparently and said the flight took off, heard a big explosion, the landing gear came back down and crashed back down on the runway. Also they were showing images of a VS 747 and a A380 in Airbus colours.
Fantastic Journalism.

Cheers,
N88KB


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15057 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
I'm sure NZ could operate a couple of charter flights for VA if needed (VA has a pretty small fleet after all basically no spare capacity).

Exactly what they are doing as Virgin have confirmed they will charter a 744 from NZ.

Virgin Blue will charter a Boeing 747-400 from Air New Zealand "to maintain schedule integrity" following one of its 777-300ER aircraft being grounded in Los Angeles with an engine problem, a spokesman says.

Source

Anyone know which NZ 744 will be used?

Regards



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User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15044 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
Is a surge or other issue on takeoff roll considered an IFS for ETOPS?

FYI surge is looking like the likely problem but has not yet been confirmed. We should know in the next few hours.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14849 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 9):
FYI surge is looking like the likely problem

What is the technical stuff on engine surge ?


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14851 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Exactly what they are doing as Virgin have confirmed they will charter a 744 from NZ.
Quoting winglets747 (Reply 9):
FYI surge is looking like the likely problem but has not yet been confirmed. We should know in the next few hours.

This has to be a record. The thread is only 10 posts long, yet the speculation on multiple aspects seems to be accurate!



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14814 times:

I wonder that after all this sensational media coverage, the next time Australians will refuse boarding on a 77W ?


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User currently offlinetietkej From Germany, joined Jun 2009, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14769 times:

They talk about flames in the title of the article and then about an explosion - yet, nothing is substantiated:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/v-a...lames/story-e6frf7jo-1226039477226


Awful reporting in this case.

[Edited 2011-04-14 18:55:00]

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14697 times:

Which ship was it?


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User currently offlinen88kb From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14677 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Exactly what they are doing as Virgin have confirmed they will charter a 744 from NZ.

My parents are flying out on VA7 from BNE next Wednesday, could there be a chance of a NZ 744?


User currently offlinetruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14648 times:

Quoting n88kb (Reply 7):

Well to be honest, in comparison to some of the journalism on QF incidents, that is fairly good :P I swear QF flights are falling out of the sky everyday, well at least that is what Today Tonight and other quality programs are telling me...

On another note, why would VA take the aircraft from BNE to operate the SYD flight? surely the cost of flying it down their, crew etc plus the fact that their are far less BNE-LAX flights than SYD-LAX flights outweigh the fact that their might have been more passengers booked on the SYD-LAX flight?


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14600 times:

Well, I am not an expert on this kind of matters, but is there any chance that some debris from a tyre flew into the engine ? Such a theory confirms what the pilots of other a/c s saw - sparks off both the gear and the engine.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 14):
Which ship was it?


VP-...

It was VH-VOZ



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User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14579 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
This has to be a record. The thread is only 10 posts long, yet the speculation on multiple aspects seems to be accurate!

Some of the "speculation" was, shall we say, informed.  
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 12):
I wonder that after all this sensational media coverage, the next time Australians will refuse boarding on a 77W ?

After last Oct's V Aus incident (Menzies striking the wing) people swore not to fly V. Then QF32 came along and people swore off Qantas. Now we're back to V...

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 14):
VP-...

VH-VOZ from reports

Quoting n88kb (Reply 15):
My parents are flying out on VA7 from BNE next Wednesday, could there be a chance of a NZ 744?

Even if the aircraft needed its engine change the problem should be rectified by then I would think/hope.

Quoting truemanQLD (Reply 16):
On another note, why would VA take the aircraft from BNE to operate the SYD flight? surely the cost of flying it down their, crew etc plus the fact that their are far less BNE-LAX flights than SYD-LAX flights outweigh the fact that their might have been more passengers booked on the SYD-LAX flight?

SYD is a more important market than BNE. I suspect their reckoning is to have their most important pax experience the V service.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14500 times:

I flew VH-VOZ 2 months ago MEL-LAX..it was awesome, great service, great aircraft. Even though this incident is not serious, it has been sensationalized by the media (as usual). The only ones who seem to be reporting this fairly seem to be ABC news.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
I'm sure NZ could operate a couple of charter flights for VA if needed (VA has a pretty small fleet after all basically no spare capacity).

Exactly what they are doing as Virgin have confirmed they will charter a 744 from NZ.

Virgin Blue will charter a Boeing 747-400 from Air New Zealand "to maintain schedule integrity" following one of its 777-300ER aircraft being grounded in Los Angeles with an engine problem, a spokesman says.

Source

Anyone know which NZ 744 will be used?

Regards

well well well, I think user NZ1 will be the best to confirm which bird will be used but my understanding is that there are currently 4 of them available for the next week or so.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14472 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 12):
I wonder that after all this sensational media coverage, the next time Australians will refuse boarding on a 77W ?

I like this kind of reply! 
Quoting winglets747 (Reply 18):

After last Oct's V Aus incident (Menzies striking the wing) people swore not to fly V. Then QF32 came along and people swore off Qantas. Now we're back to V...

Yeah, it's very infantile isn't it? Wonder if this incident makes all those "QF32 VH-OQA engine incident" passengers who swore only to fly on Boeing planes feel better about their choice?  

At least with this VA B777 incident, they didn't go into the full on linking it with other 777 engine incidents to scare people.  


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14441 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 20):
well well well,

Yes and thank you for your informed opinion.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 20):
I think user NZ1 will be the best to confirm which bird will be used

I have not checked with NZ1 though I have been informed that it will be ZK-NBW

Regards



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14441 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 21):
Yeah, it's very infantile isn't it? Wonder if this incident makes all those "QF32 VH-OQA engine incident" passengers who swore only to fly on Boeing planes feel better about their choice?

Not the aircraft manufacturers fault, but they are quite different events... one was an uncontained failure in flight which had a realistic chance of bringing down the plane, the other was an engine surge/compressor stall/FOD damage early in the takeoff roll = abort takeoff then return to terminal.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14302 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 23):

Not the aircraft manufacturers fault, but they are quite different events...

We know that, but to the average passenger, all they know is that it made a strange noise and everyone was terrified, thought they were going to die - and otherwise, what they heard in the media.  


25 tdscanuck : Unless it actually results in a shutdown, I don't think so. Especially if it's FOD-induced surge... The engine compressor has a reverse pressure grad
26 truemanQLD : I think QF still cops a much worse bashing in the Australian media over minor incidents than VA, sure QF 32 was a major incident but every tiny QF in
27 Post contains images rotation : Doesn't sound like such a major issue - but as we're flying VA11 MEL-LAX in just over a week, I probably won't tell the fiancee this little piece of n
28 Lufthansa : If i remember correctly when NZ updated the configuration of their 744s, they added a fair bit of extra weight to them which may impact their range/ca
29 DocLightning : In order for IFSD, don't you have to have 1) a shut-down 2) in-flight? This probably eventually satisfied (1) but never (2).
30 B773 : I saw that too, classic, got to love the media lol !
31 7673mech : Not sure what you are trying to say. An engine surge is not considered an IFSD unless the engine is actually shutdown. Typically the engine perameter
32 Baroque : I assume - perhaps unwisely - that if you got a surge on take-off from LAX for Aus you might want to land to check just exactly how your "innards" we
33 Zkpilot : IIRC NZ does have a few 744s with the extra tail tanks (I think it gives about an extra 30 mins endurance). Seeing how they are replacing a 77W (whic
34 CX flyboy : I am surprised anyone is bothering reporting on this at all! Stuff like this happens all the time.
35 MileHighOffice : Amazing that while a jet aircraft takes off more than once every second somewhere around the world, that one rejected take-off with no injuries/damag
36 Post contains links and images haggis73 : All the NZ 744's have the horizontal stab tank, roughly 10,000kg @ an S.G. of .800 Close, around 45 mins or 350-400 miles They have a lower rate of b
37 rotation : Has there been any update on this? Has the aircraft returned to service, or are BNE flights still using the NZ 744?
38 n88kb : My parents flew out of BNE yesterday (Wednesday) on VPD on time. Out of interest, the Monday flight arrived into BNE 10hrs late. Cheers, N88kb
39 ash1111 : I'm flying J class from BNE-LAX on the 8th of May. Is it likely that I will be flying the NZ 744? What's the J class like on NZ's 744?
40 n88kb : I'm flying VA7 on the 9th of May, pretty sure everything wil be back to normal by then if it isnt already. On a side note when did VA start BNE-LAX o
41 rotation : I'm flying on VA11 on Tuesday, so I'm super stoked for that! NZ Business, while I've never travelled it personally, looks amazing and extremely comfor
42 Zkpilot : Put it this way... it is an upgrade.... VA really should have gone for the herringbone seats like its sister VS... I think this will happen now that
43 Airbusa322 : VOZ has been back in service for a week now. VAus needs payed upgrades at the airport. I understand they introduced this on the Thailand flights becau
44 winglets747 : You don't think Borghetti will be any different, do you? A cheap upgrade at the last minute degrades the product's value and isn't likely to appease
45 MileHighOffice : Agree. Media does love to bash Qantas and sensationalise minor issues they have (yes QF 32 was major). It also appears to be being pushed perhaps fro
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