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Pax 744 In Full Atlas Livery  
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Posted (3 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Atlas is entering the military passenger charter business with a first 744, former UA N194UA, in May. I guess there will be more Atlas 744s soon though I havent read anything about it yet:

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=7124

[Edited 2011-04-16 10:57:10 by SA7700]

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User currently offlinejohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

They have two in gold Atlas colors. Saw them in HK before handover and in Houston last month for Sonair flights.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Quoting johnclipper (Reply 1):
They have two in gold Atlas colors. Saw them in HK before handover and in Houston last month for Sonair flights.

I know, but this is different and a potentially bigger operation. Maybe they´ll snap some more parked UA 744s. There a some that are waiting for "cheap" money. Would be interesting to know.


User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9891 times:

Good looking 747 -- nice to see the full SUD in Atlas colours! Would make a nice passenger livery to see more often

User currently offlineflying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Anyone know the financial arrangement here? The aircraft is still registered to United, is this a sale or a lease to Atlas, or sale to leasing company?

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6494 times:
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What does the inside look like? Do they have a premium class? Or will it be more like Tower Air?

Is there an example of a cargo company that has gone to pax service before? The livery didn't change to a pax livery.
"if" I were to fly a cargo carrier with a pax division- I would go FedEx for sure..what about....PaxEx!!! And they still can keep the "arrow"!



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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

I remember reading here previously that United will lease this aircraft to them for 2 years...

Wonder what configuration it has.


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 6):
Wonder what configuration it has

While I haven't seen the inside to be sure, my understanding is that it has retained the UA configuration. It won't have the premium seating arrangement that the 2 gold tailed ones have operating for Sonair.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12060 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

They must have gotten a great price on the UA B-747s. Don't those airplanes have P&W engines? I thought Atlas's fleet of B-747F/CFs all have GE engines.

Atlas has the pilots, but where are the cabin crews coming from?


User currently onlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
Is there an example of a cargo company that has gone to pax service before? The livery didn't change to a pax livery.
"if" I were to fly a cargo carrier with a pax division- I would go FedEx for sure..what about....PaxEx!!! And they still can keep the "arrow"!

UPS Airlines Group did it for about four years in the late 90s/early00s with 727-100s. They had pax cabin modules (complete with seats, OH bins and a galley) that were loaded on pallets for weekend and daytime charters from SDF,CVG,PIT,PHL,STL and BNA to points in Mexico and the islands for vacation package companies. All flight ops and mx were in house...inflight was outsourced to a FA staffing company in Louisville. They also did a number of White House press corp trips too...IIRC, at the height of the program, two 727s were running close to 100% in the all pax config. The program did not loose money...but it didnt make it either.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3549 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
Is there an example of a cargo company that has gone to pax service before?

UPS, TNT and Europe Airpost are the three I can think of. All three began with QC aircraft. UPS has since ended its passenger activities, but the other two are doing better, with Airport adding two passenger-only aircraft to its fleet and TNT dedicating two QC's exclusively to passenger charters.

[Edited 2011-04-16 15:40:46]


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12060 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 18 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

It is my understanding that Atlas only wants these B-747-400s for military charters. Is that right? Are they picking up where TZ left off after they got the NW DC-10-30s?

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 18 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
It is my understanding that Atlas only wants these B-747-400s for military charters. Is that right?

Yes. But there is no word about how many 744s they will be receiving. Just one seems unlikely to me, but there are no reports about a second or more yet.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15457 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (3 years 14 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
UPS, TNT and Europe Airpost are the three I can think of.

Flying Tigers had pax operations as well, but I don't know if that was briefly carried over to FedEx or not.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
Is there an example of a cargo company that has gone to pax service before?

If memory correct, Cargolux had a couple of leased passenger 747-100s (ex-AA) in charter service for a while in the mid-1980s. I believe they briefly operated BWIA's POS-LHR and POS-FRA service using the leased 741s.


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