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Emergency Oxygen Removed From Airliner Lavatories  
User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

I was wondering what the general consensus is on the lavatory oxygen scandal?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42015889/ns/travel-news/

I've seen plenty of folks on both sides of the fence, some think it's perfectly justifiable, others are personally offended by the notion of it. I also found this petition asking Randy Babbitt to re-install emergency oxygen in lavatories, chemical or not;

http://www.change.org/petitions/dema...gen-systems-in-airliner-lavatories

I searched, but did not find an existing thread on this topic, to my surprise, what's the general opinion here?


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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2695 times:

From what I've heard this may be a temporary measure. There is no reason that oxygen can't be provided in the lavs chemical or bottled, with the supply source inaccessible from inside the lav. Unfortunately this takes time to implement and its possible the authorities had information that led them to require the immediate removal. This whole deal is just a tempest in a teacup, no big deal. The chance of dieing in the lav due to decompression have to be infinitesimal, much more likely to be killed driving to the airport.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2681 times:

I wouldn't call this a scandal. The FAA issued a directive, and the airlines complied.

Hmmm, I wonder if this will mean a return to oxygen cylinders to supply the lavs? The retrofit would really suck...and be costly.

I do think it's a little overboard, but who am I to question the omniscient government and its faithful servant, the FAA.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 days ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
I was wondering what the general consensus is on the lavatory oxygen scandal?


Because there was no comment period and limited implementation time. I have to think that there was creditable evidence that someone planned to use an oxygen generator for a purpose that it was not intended.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Looks like an Intellegince Report prompted this.
Someone Misusing the Chemical O2 Generators in the Toilets in Privacy to create an unwanted product in Flight.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
scandal

 
Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
others are personally offended by the notion of it.

I'm sure they'd also be personally offended by the notion that intelligence was received that someone was going to use the generator to do bad things, and nothing was done about it, and they died or were injured because of it.



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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):

I do think it's a little overboard, but who am I to question the omniscient government and its faithful servant, the FAA.

I don't. Quite frankly I wonder why it took them so long to figure this out.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

So Whats the Replacement going to be then.....


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13793 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
Because there was no comment period and limited implementation time. I have to think that there was creditable evidence that someone planned to use an oxygen generator for a purpose that it was not intended.

Without going into details for security reasons:
The contents of a chemical oxygen generator can be used, together with a widely available household good, which will not arouse suspicion and can be bought virtually everywhere, to make a powerful bomb. This type of bomb (with the oxygen generator content sourced through different sources), was used a lot by leftwing terrorists in Europe during the 1970s.

Jan


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
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There was a previous discussion in the civil aviation forum which can be found here: US Airlines Remove The O2 Mask In The Lavs


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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

As usual, the article on MSNBC makes this sound much worse than it actually is, complete with quotes from the moronic Kate Hanni ("we get reports of mid-air decompression events all the time" - 12 events in 10 years isn't "all the time", you insipid twit) and hyperbole from supposed "expert" Arthur Wolk saying "you've just killed those people" if there's a loss of pressurization and someone's in the lav.

Someone doesn't lose consciousness instantly when there's a loss of pressure, and a loss of pressure rarely means a [u]complete, instantaneous[/i] loss of oxygen in the cabin. A passenger in the lavatory during a pressure-loss event will have time to react and come out of the lav, and even if they can't make it all the way back to their seat, they'll be visible to the FAs who can then assist with portable oxygen.

While it'll be desirable to get the restrooms retrofitted with a new system as quickly as possible, this really isn't a major danger to passengers.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

I guess an Alternative to provide O2 without being misused is an option.


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User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 10):
Someone doesn't lose consciousness instantly when there's a loss of pressure,

It's not instant, but it *is* pretty quick, so there isn't a *lot* of time to react -- call it 30 seconds to 3 minutes at typical cruising altitudes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness

Now, you're not going to die immediately after that amount time, but you're not going to be much help to yourself or others.


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