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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15569 times:
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Welcome to the 38th edition of this thread......


Our title, Tranquility Awaits, is a response to the turbulent waters that has surrounded The Caribbean.....
The region's first LCC, Redjet Airlines was recently granted approval to operate services and will launch the BGI-KIN route on May 8th..Pending Govt approval from T&T, their POS-KIN route will follow shortly...The entry of Redjet with their "rock bottom" prices, has seen a reaction from CAL who has matched the fares between POS/BGI-KIN route...As Redjet grows, they have plans to open a base in KIN that will see a fleet of up to 10-15 aircraft..In the mean time, let us enjoy our "Tranquil Waters"..

Aviation Updates:

Jamaica could receive direct air service from Ghana by mid-year..

Sunwing is now offering seasonal Moncton-MBJ services using their b738...

VS has been chosen "official carrier" for Jamaica's team to The London Games 2012..

Pre Clearance Facility is being pursued by The GOJ..

Mr Bartlett is looking to increase Russia's arrival from the current 3,000 to 40,000 per year......

NK to reduce FLL-KIN to 2 weekly for the summer..



DE to increase FRA-MBJ to 3 weekly for the winter season 2012..

Jamaica Air Shuttle is now operating KIN-PAP services..The GOJ had made administrative changes that will see easier entry for Haitian nationals..

LI to acquire jets for regional expansion...Lets see if they will launch services to KIN..

CO to reduce IAH-MBJ to 5 weekly and EWR-MBJ to 6 weekly for the summer..

For now, JM is being studied for a 2012 re-entry to London..

FL and B6 will operate daily MCO-MBJ services for the summer..


Jamaica has signed new air services agreement with Kuwait, Iceland, Ghana and South Africa..

A local TA in Guadeloupe will be promoting Jamaica for their summer charters..An AF A320 will service MBJ once a week for the summer...

A new company that is focused on expanding the Jamaica-FAr East market, is now working on getting their AOC from The GOJ...

AC to launch LCC carrier, that will compete with other Canadian charters..


JM saga continues..

Further updates can be found in the old thread..

Simply Red..Jamaican Thread 37... (by hummingbird Feb 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15618 times:

HBird, thanks for starting the new thread......now tell me, where is that first picture????


Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offlineilanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15471 times:

Hummingbird, where is this place with the bar in the cave? I think i have an idea, but just cant put a name to the place.

User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15472 times:

Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 2):
where is this place with the bar in the cave? I think i have an idea, but just cant put a name to the place.

It is the Rock House in Negril. Here is the link : http://www.rockhousehotel.com/escape.php


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15349 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Welcome to the 38th edition of this thread......

Great photos of the Negril coastline to complement the new thread.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
NK to reduce FLL-KIN to 2 weekly for the summer..

Interesting. How will this summer frequency compare with their service to MBJ ?

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
CO to reduce IAH-MBJ to 5 weekly and EWR-MBJ to 6 weekly for the summer..

Though the CO frequencies will be reduced from both IAH and EWR for the summer, over all the remaining rotations are not bad at all.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
An AF A320 will service MBJ once a week for the summer...

Hopefully we will see some photos of AF in MBJ.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
JM saga continues..

It is being reported that there still exists vacancies for JM pilots as some have left for jobs in the Far East and elsewhere...........


'' It is not new jobs they are filling because of the merger, so a statement like that is disingenuous. '' They are just replacing people who have left. It's those jobs that they are filling," stressed the JALPA representative.

Up to two years ago, there were more than 150 pilots employed to the former national carrier. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110417/lead/lead11.html


The visa requirement for both Jamaican and Guyanese nationals came into effect on April 11th................


'' Although a St. Maarten official confirmed the new visa requirement, he did not give an official reason for the decision. However, the owner of the news website, SXMIslandTime.com in St. Maarten, Samuel Allen, told The Gleaner, the new directive was prompted by figures which indicate that Jamaican and Guyanese visitors were overstaying their entry time on the island. ''


http://gleanerblogs.com/haveyoursay/?p=1003


I wonder where next in the Caribbean will impose similar requirements ?



greenheart
User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15354 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 3):
It is the Rock House in Negril.

Actually, it is The Caves, just a little bit further down the coast: http://www.islandoutpost.com/the_caves/


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15337 times:

To hell with JM, CAL and RedJet....

off to Negril we gooooo  



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15233 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 6):
To hell with JM, CAL and RedJet....

off to Negril we gooooo

Lol. Good one. But yes, Negril '' sell off '' in those photos.



greenheart
User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15210 times:

Never been to Negril! That is nice!!!!!  


God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 15050 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):

There is a problem of smaller islands offering high wages than bigger countries like Guyana, Jamaica, Haiti and the DR. Clearly a system of control will be needed. I notice a lot of emotion on the Gleaner blog but Jamaicans and Guyanese have to bing to admit that countries like Barbados, Antigua and St Maarten cant be seen as solving our problems of unemployment and low wages.

I guess CAL and LIAT will have that much work to do upon check in to ensure travelrs have appropraite visas.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 15029 times:
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Quoting Inbound (Reply 1):
HBird, thanks for starting the new thread......now tell me, where is that first picture????
Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 2):
Hummingbird, where is this place with the bar in the cave? I think i have an idea, but just cant put a name to the place.
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 3):
It is the Rock House in Negril. Here is the link : http://www.rockhousehotel.com/escape.php

I found this pics and I thought it would add a sense of calm to sea surrounding our regional aviation....

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Great photos of the Negril coastline to complement the new thread.

Thanks....

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Interesting. How will this summer frequency compare with their service to MBJ ?

MBJ will operate 5 per week....

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Though the CO frequencies will be reduced from both IAH and EWR for the summer, over all the remaining rotations are not bad at all.

Am still concerned with the arivals with from the tri-state area as compared to last year, we are looking at a 20-35% decline in the number of seats when compared to last year...Hopefully JM will add a second JFK-MBJ flight...

Quoting Inbound (Reply 6):
To hell with JM, CAL and RedJet....

off to Negril we gooooo
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 7):
Lol. Good one. But yes, Negril '' sell off '' in those photos.
Quoting westindian425 (Reply 8):
Never been to Negril! That is nice!!!!!

Negril is quite an experience..



For this weekend upcoming Carifta Games in Montego Bay, BW will be operating special BGI-POS-MBJ flights to transport athletes and officials..

The remaining A320 in JM's fleet is expected to depart within the next two weeks..
Former JM A321, 6Y-JMH is now registered to Turkish carrier, Atlasjet Airlines..



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 14942 times:

http://avstop.com/April_2011/faa_ann...ply_with_icao_safety_standards.htm

Article on Barbados' Cat 2.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinemiafll From Jamaica, joined Jun 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14840 times:

Next week, JM will use Sun Country Boeing 738s on some flights on the KIN FLL route. Just a couple weeks ago the A320 was scheduled to operate these flights, Does anyone know if these flights will have JM or CAL crew on board?

User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 472 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14817 times:

Quoting miafll (Reply 12):
Next week, JM will use Sun Country Boeing 738s on some flights on the KIN FLL route.

Is it that we can't get our own metal fast enough? I mean we do have three aircraft with two in C-check and I haven't heard much about the 6th.

-2263



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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14778 times:
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Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
The remaining A320 in JM's fleet is expected to depart within the next two weeks..

What is the fate of the A 319.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14709 times:

Quoting miafll (Reply 12):
Next week, JM will use Sun Country Boeing 738s on some flights on the KIN FLL route. Just a couple weeks ago the A320 was scheduled to operate these flights, Does anyone know if these flights will have JM or CAL crew on board?

I am thinking they would '' wet lease '' those SY B738s until their aircraft arrive. Or is it that BW/JM have enough trained crew now to fully staff these chartered metal ( s ) themselves ? Also I am wondering if it is the first time JM will use SY to operate some of their flights. I know in the past they chartered LL for some of their operations, in addition to NA's B752s and B763s, which they still use at times of course.



greenheart
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14676 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Interesting. How will this summer frequency compare with their service to MBJ ?

MBJ will operate 5 per week...

So NK seem to have better loads into MBJ from FLL than KIN. One would easily think the situation would be the opposite.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Am still concerned with the arivals with from the tri-state area as compared to last year, we are looking at a 20-35% decline in the number of seats when compared to last year...Hopefully JM will add a second JFK-MBJ flight...

Despite this, it is being reported that Jamaica ( again ) had a record winter season..........................


MINISTER of Tourism Edmund Bartlett has announced a 5.6 per cent increase in stopover arrivals to Jamaica during the 2010-2011 winter tourist season which between December 15 and April 15.

'' We are reporting yet another record in stopover arrivals, as 743,776 visitors arrived over the period, up from 704,320 for the same period in 2010 '' Bartlett told the opening ceremony of the fourth annual Tourism Outlook Seminar at the Half Moon Conference Centre in Montego Bay, St James today.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Record-winter-tourism-season


Again great work by Ed Bartlett and all the others in the industry who work assiduously to make these figures impressive. Now we need to see a GRU-MBJ connection.



greenheart
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14688 times:

http://www.caymannewsservice.com/loc...kes-emergency-landing-owen-roberts

Cayman Airways had a 737, heading to Jamaica, return to GCM due to a faulty landing gear indicator.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14665 times:
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Quoting miafll (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if these flights will have JM or CAL crew on board?

In this situation, they will most likely use a JM FA as a company rep....

Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 13):
Is it that we can't get our own metal fast enough? I mean we do have three aircraft with two in C-check and I haven't heard much about the 6th.

Correct...This is one reason we still have NA doing JFK-KIN services..
BW is also short on airframe due to the return of those two planes to Transavia..
The lease on the A320 will come to an end and BW has no plans to extend the contract..

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 14):

Should be gone by May/June...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 15):
am thinking they would '' wet lease '' those SY B738s until their aircraft arrive. Or is it that BW/JM have enough trained crew now to fully staff these chartered metal ( s ) themselves ? Also I am wondering if it is the first time JM will use SY to operate some of their flights. I know in the past they chartered LL for some of their operations, in addition to NA's B752s and B763s, which they still use at times of course.

Definitely a wet lease, based on the short time they will utilise the aircraft..
JM have used SY in the past to operate MBJ-ORD and JFK-GND services..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
So NK seem to have better loads into MBJ from FLL than KIN. One would easily think the situation would be the opposite

The traffic mix at MBJ has given them more flexibility with their pricing policies...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
Again great work by Ed Bartlett and all the others in the industry who work assiduously to make these figures impressive. Now we need to see a GRU-MBJ connection.

I hope to see the service by Dec 2011..Also, I expect to see new Canadian cities that will have service to MBJ..

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 17):
Cayman Airways had a 737, heading to Jamaica, return to GCM due to a faulty landing gear indicator.

Close call....



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14602 times:
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Redjet is now negotiating with 13 other countries to facilitate their expansion....

Let the assumptions begin!!!!!
CUR
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Cuba
Bahamas
Saint Lucia
Antigua

http://rjrnewsonline.com/news/region...and-its-service-13-other-countries


In this year's budget, the GOJ will spend JMD$ 4.5 billion to cover JM's debt...

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/go...nificant-costs-air-j-scj-debt-year


According to the JCAA, The Open Skies Agreement has aided the local aviation industry..

Quote:
The effect of this, Col. Derby highlighted, was that local airports are doing better business, in terms of passenger flow, and the domestic aviation sector, which picks up passengers and takes them to other aerodromes and resorts, have also been doing quite well.

He noted that negotiations have been concluded with China, regarding air service arrangements between Jamaica and that country, as well as other areas in the Far East. He noted that, currently, the negotiation team is compiling its report to submit to the Government to cement the agreement.
http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/leads-114/27467



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14534 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 17):
Cayman Airways had a 737, heading to Jamaica, return to GCM due to a faulty landing gear indicator.

Good to know that nothing serious resulted in the end.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 18):
In this situation, they will most likely use a JM FA as a company rep....

Like what exists when they use NA for some of their operations. I assume this is done on all their '' wet leased '' charters.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
Redjet is now negotiating with 13 other countries to facilitate their expansion....

Let the assumptions begin!!!!!

I expect PAP will see RD at some point in time.


According to this article, the are changing the way flights are purchased and booked...................


'' Jamaicans travelling on the new direct jet service between Norman Manley International and Bridgetown, Barbados, as well as Trinidad, have the option of 'book and pay' service at select Digicel stores in the corporate area or Trafalgar Travel Service. Those who have booked online may pay for their tickets within 24 hours at any Paymaster islandwide, according to REDjet's chairman and CEO, Ian Burns. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110420/news/news2.html


Seem their POS entry won't make the proposed start date, until they iron out the issue with the relevant documents giving them the official go ahead to start services in that country. Lets see what will transpire.



greenheart
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14516 times:

What is interesting to me is the fact at CO can't make MBJ work at least once a day during the summer. That is horrible. That tells me that they have next to no VFR.


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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
Redjet is now negotiating with 13 other countries to facilitate their expansion....

Let the assumptions begin!!!!!
CUR
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Cuba
Bahamas
Saint Lucia
Antigua

Where does RedJet see the demand coming from to fill MD80s to those places? That is my issue with RedJet. If they had a fleet of Dash8Q400s and intended on running these routes, i'd say CAL better be scared. But MD80s to KIN simply cannot be cost effective against a 738. Perhaps on the shorter hops, the low ownership costs more than compensates for the operational costs, but the longer segments- NO WAY! Look at the AA Q1 2011 thread and check out the discussion of their MD80s to the 738s on short vs long segments.

If they intend to continue flying MD80s for the forseeable future, I give RedJet 18 months. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

AA1818



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14460 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 22):
Where does RedJet see the demand coming from to fill MD80s to those places? That is my issue with RedJet. If they had a fleet of Dash8Q400s and intended on running these routes, i'd say CAL better be scared. But MD80s to KIN simply cannot be cost effective against a 738. Perhaps on the shorter hops, the low ownership costs more than compensates for the operational costs, but the longer segments- NO WAY! Look at the AA Q1 2011 thread and check out the discussion of their MD80s to the 738s on short vs long segments.

Exactly.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 22):
If they intend to continue flying MD80s for the forseeable future, I give RedJet 18 months. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Welcome to my "18 months and their gone under this business plan club"   



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
Welcome to my "18 months and their gone under this business plan club"

Maybe they will have a steep learning curve and change to the 737, 738, A318 or A320, or even a regional jet (ERJ or CRJ)...or else I may have to agree with you. Unless they plan on losing lots of money.

GUYAIR707


25 guyanam : They dream if the list doesnt focus on strong destinations like SXM, CUR, and ANU. Their core will be students, shopping destinations and places wher
26 airjamaica : Many Jamaicans reside in New Jersey as well but no where near close to what exists in New York. I wouldn't classify a 6x weekly EWR-MBJ summer freque
27 yankeejuliet : The right equipment for Redjet is the A319 and ATR 72 once they get settled. A new KIN base will take advantage of the hub and spoke system that will
28 Post contains links hummingbird : Yep...The company puts a rep on all their wet lease services....The rep will only take feed backs and cannot participate in any on board service.. In
29 GUYAIR707 : Your scoop is the A319 over the 737? Not disputing you, but just wanted your opinion on why? GUYAIR707
30 guyanam : Redjets SXM route will be for Trinis and Bajans going to shop. I was amzed at how many were in SXM last July when I was there. The intraCaribbean vis
31 Post contains links airjamaica : Myself don't vision them using the '' Mad Dogs'' long term either. But it will be quite interesting to see what aircraft type ( s ) they will eventua
32 hummingbird : Interesting to note that SXM is a popular shopping destination....Which brings up another popular shopping destination PTY..Once they are able to off
33 yankeejuliet : The A319 is cheaper to acquire , parts and service are a plenty in Costa Rica where the the TACA group has a maintenance base for over 120 Airbuses i
34 Post contains links jm079 : An insightful analysis of the fast approaching deadline of when the formal taken over of Air Jamaica by Caribbean Airlines is being carried by a local
35 windian425 : UP also operated a 732 charter to BGI early this am (22APR10).
36 Post contains links airjamaica : Didn't WK operate charters into MBJ from ZRH a few times in the past before ? Could have sworn I saw it listed among the charter carriers that operat
37 hummingbird : Am not certain, but am aware of Balair CTA with their colourful A310-300....They served MBJ with a once weekly service... ---------------------------
38 jm079 : The board of CAL will be staying in place. The government in Port of Spain tonight made this announcement which will come as a surprise to a lot of pe
39 BWIA 772 : Decisions in which the politics has been the main influence should never be mistaken as confidence. The problem with airlines based in the Caribbean
40 airjamaica : Luckily he didn't attack anyone with the two stones he had in his possession, or ended up reaching beyond the security check point leading into the d
41 jm079 : Nothing surprises us as I was one of the many on here who oppose the take over as I had felt that the deal was not in Jamaica's strategic interest. I
42 Post contains links and images hummingbird : When it comes to this particular topic, this is my only comment.. JM Update... JMA, and JMB will be re-assigned to the POS operations, to fill their
43 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Is this due to lack of trained crews or lack of airframes? One has to wonder just how efficient this is? Strangely enough I've never seen a KLM aircr
44 guyanam : Well if they are short airframes then its best to position the a/c where there is the strongest market position. After all i am still not convinced t
45 airjamaica : Lol. Might as well. I suspect its a combination of both. And from what I understand, they don't mix their crews where AF's own are doing KL's flights
46 2travel2know2 : TA's M.R.O. facility is in SAL not in SJO. SJO is home to TA's sole Centralamerican competitor. TA no longer owns that M.R.O. in SAL 100%. Forgot to
47 yankeejuliet : Thanks for the info, I stand corrected.
49 GUYAIR707 : Thanks, half that stuff I didn't know about TACA, Costa Rica etc. Makes a lot of sense. GUYAIR707
50 GUYAIR707 : Seems like CAL/AJ deal is being run amok, shame. Why is it that the CAL board is being maintained if they cannot do the job? Trinidad should work ass
51 yankeejuliet : JM should realise record losses this year if dedicated aircraft should be frequently pulled from their home based runs and work for other carriers. Th
52 BWIA 772 : Well Caribbean Airlines seemed to be having a problem retaining the foreign CEOs as Davies and Saunders both left before their contracts where up for
53 beeweel15 : The two companies although owned by one holding company are operated independently. The sad thing about this CAL/JM deal is that it is so simple and
54 Post contains links limaniner : Nice -- http://www.frenchmanscove.com/ Hummingbird's original photos were of http://www.islandoutpost.com/the_caves/
55 hummingbird : Correction..The A319 is leaving..The A320 will stay and operate mainly to PHL and MBJ-FLL-MBJ...It is being said the A320 will leave the fleet in Jul
56 jm079 : lol, that is a good one .....LOL If indeed that is the current thinking then it would be rather unfortunate as that is not a sound business practice.
57 airjamaica : To be honest, at times I do not even remember that KL and AF have both merged due to how they operate with their own identities and independently. Sp
58 beeweel15 : CAL/JM management should look at how LM Royal Dutch Airlines">KL/AF operate for some lessons. They did operate to many islands during the 60's and
59 Post contains links airjamaica : If they really intend to keep both brands separate as was previously announced then yes they need to take a page out of KL's/AF's book. Very interest
60 BW985 : Comparing JM/BW with AF/KL makes no sense. AF and KL are much bigger airlines that can afford to operate separate fleets. For comparison: Fleet size:
61 beeweel15 : I beg to differ because some of the same issues CAL/JM are going through AF/KL went through in the beginning also.. Look at BA/IB they arent changing
62 hummingbird : The A319 left KIN yesterday enroute to PHX... A B738 was ferried from KIN to PIT last night.. Flight 017 and 011 has been delayed yesterday and is exp
63 A388 : The difference between CAL/JM and KL/AF is that CAL/JM are more related to national pride whereas KL/AF are more business oriented and they keep prid
64 hummingbird : Well guys, look like AA will me making some seasonal reductions to MBJ and other destinations from DFW, ORD, JFK and MIA... ORD-MBJ becomes seasonal a
65 A388 : Are you sure about this? Do you have a source that confirms this? A388
66 aa1818 : While I do tend to share your sentiment. On the flip side, you must understand the cultural difference. We in Trinidad have no brand. Brand Trini is
67 2travel2know2 : Would an aircraft "Jamaican-inspired-livery" from a Caribbean airline be representative for the rest of the Caribbean? When airlines feel like the la
68 A388 : I think that is the problem that aa1818 is trying to make clear. Jamaicans want their own Jamaica brand while Trinidad goes for the Caribbean brand (
69 aa1818 : Very true, but humour me and try to apply that thinking to the English Speaking Caribbean. Lets face it- South Americans are not going to connect in
70 airjamaica : JFK has been having that problem for the past few days. It is the logical thing for them to do I think, with the slow travel period after the summer
71 guyanam : The Jamaicans are saying that its fierce nationalism that ties them to Air Jamaica, the "little piece of Jamaica that flies". If it is not Jamaican t
72 ilanbwoy : True thing Guyanam. On another note, i was lookig at a flight from JFK to MBJ in the summer and was taken aback by the fact that jm10 will be leaving
73 Post contains images speedbird2263 : If only more people shared the sentiment, maybe then we would have a better understanding. Some say apples and pears, fine you're entitled to that, b
74 caribbean484 : On a note 9Y-JME will be in the Caribbean next weekend, and JMC will be in late May. JMF is tentative to arrive just before the summer kicks off.
75 Post contains images airjamaica : A very objective and analytical take on the subject. My sentiments exactly. Should they make the mistake of taking the Jamaica or JM brand for grante
76 beeweel15 : Well over the 20 plus years I have worked at JFK many tourists did and continue to get there at that time to get to Jamaica , Cancun and many other b
77 hummingbird : From what I gather, AA is the airline who Mr Bartlett mentioned was reducing flights to Jamaica.......I have a funny feeling most of those flights wi
78 caribbean484 : Well CAL will be getting a brand new addition called 9Y-SXM in June, 737-8HO or MSN 37935 leased from ALAFCO directly from Boeing. Another is said to
79 miafll : Looks like JM is having some issues with lack of aircraft..JM 36 cxxl last night (full flight) and so far the pax are all sitll stuck at FLL...Flights
80 aa1818 : Fantastic news for BW. I have lost count/ track of the fleet. 738 in BW colours- 9Y- ANU, BGI, TAB, POS, GEO, SLU, KIN. in JM colours- 9Y- JMA, JMB,
81 hummingbird : Cool... JM has 1 A320 left in the fleet.. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
82 Post contains images windian425 : You can add 9Y- PBM to the BW colours list!
83 airjamaica : If memory serves me correctly, back in the day JM had a departure time of 7:00 am to 8:00 am for JM 010 from JFK to MBJ during the summer. After the
84 airjamaica : Did some comparison checks and these are the departure times I found for summer : B6 JFK-MBJ 10:20 am CO EWR-MBJ 9:00 am DL JFK-MBJ 9:15 am So JM doe
85 hummingbird : The recent delays in JFK had added to their problems....JM035 was switched to the B738 today....JM079, JM11 and JM014 are also delayed.... DL is once
86 yellowtail : Most of these (like BZE) are seasonal downgrades and will come back in Dec.
87 trintocan : Excellent points, very well said indeed. I think that yes, the JM element needs to be retained in JM as it is that which gives the airline its charac
88 trintocan : That sort of arrangement is very common with tourist flights. Over here in Europe, especially during the summer period, holiday flights operate virtu
89 Inbound : All the politics aside, for those of us who work the frontline for both airlines....I must say that the integration of crews from POS and KIN has infa
90 hummingbird : DOT Stats, Oct 2010.. DFW-MBJ 2240-1665 74% MBJ-DFW 2240-1977 88% JFK-MBJ 887-729 82% MBJ-JFK 888-657 74% MIA-MBJ 15828-12766 81% MBJ-MIA 15828-120137
91 yellowtail : That depends..for example here in BZE..while we get some flights back Nov 1 (you can see that on the AA post you made)....the real bulk of the sked d
92 airjamaica : B6 will be beefing up their MBJ schedules out of JFK for summer I see. Thought KIN would be getting the extra daily as well for the period, but it do
93 hummingbird : Due to delays, NA operated a JFK-MBJ-KIN-JFK-KIN-MBJ-JFK rotation yesterday.. This year the service will operate at 2 daily instead of 3.....Hopefully
94 Post contains links airjamaica : Seem there was high drama on VS 069 LGW - KIN yesterday where two drunk passengers got into a fight and it seem there was damage of some sort to their
95 Post contains links airjamaica : The bilateral air services agreement between Jamaica and Nigeria has been signed............ http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110504/business/busi
96 hummingbird : A frequent behaviour on the LGW-Jamaica legs..No big surprises with this article..Am wondering what could he have damaged that costs $5000.... JM019
97 Post contains images A388 : Let's hope the final signing will indeed take place than. It is also my birthday on that day. Imagine droopy's face when he said: "Funny, isn't it" T
98 airjamaica : It certainly wouldn't be good if it is drawn out for an extended period again, though I highly doubt that will be the case. Lol. Big up on the '' Ear
99 Post contains links hummingbird : In another interesting twist, it is being reported that Chairman Nicholas, did not consent the BOD when the decision was made to extend the finalisat
100 Post contains images A388 : I hope so as well. Let's wait until the magical date arrives Yes!!! Let's hope the Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica milestone doesn't happen every year
101 Post contains links airjamaica : If all that is being reported in that article is indeed factual, then to me it is a very clear indication of the level of disconnect that currently e
102 Post contains links airjamaica : 54 JM staff have been made redundant...... '' MORE than 50 Air Jamaica employees have been let go from the airline according to the Trinidad Express'
103 hummingbird : Obviously a one man show is being run at the carrier..... The track was recently certified by The IAAF......Many of the athletes have chosen Kingston
104 Post contains links hummingbird : Allegiant is looking to expand their operations to the Caribbean from other North American Gateways.. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...ional,%20
105 jm079 : Hey everyone. Just an update here as much has not been said here about the delayed signing of the agreement between Jamaica and Trinidad. There is a s
106 JM017 : The government of T&T raise a valid point. They are incurring financial risk, made even bigger by their efforts to try to accommodate JM's intere
107 guyanam : I suspect that Caribbean private sector interests have been cured of the need to own airlines. After all none of their efforts have worked out. The a
108 JM017 : ' Sad thing is, the last time JM was privately ownded, it was a fiasco. The last time it was government-owned it was a fiasco. Now it is owned by ano
109 Post contains images airjamaica : Well it is now being reported that the new date for final signing is June 10th. So lets see what will transpire by then. Hopefully they will be in MB
110 hummingbird : Am not sure what will happen if there were a change in leadership at the next General Election...According to the latest poll, most Jamaicana are fav
111 JM017 : I missed that. What was the PNP's position? Before someone posts an answer, I can comment that it's easy when you are the party in opposition to oppo
112 hummingbird : Being the opposition, they were against the deal, but can guarantee, it will be used as leverage against the JLP in their next campaign.... BTW...Thi
113 JM017 : So they want more airlift...Just not this airlift.
114 trintocan : The question really is, will foreign airlines fill any void? In some instances they would not without some sort of subsidies or financial support. Ad
115 guyanam : I very much doubt that the void of JFk/MBJ/KIN/GEO will be hard to fill. Or the void of FLL/KIN/MBJ. Or of YYZ/POS/GEO. Those are the core CAL routes
116 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Hear Hear! -2263
117 Post contains links hummingbird : Redjet operated their first commercial flight on Tuesday, linking BGI and GEO....The flight will initially operate 4 per week, with plans to operate a
118 airjamaica : I notice they have been rotating the B763's quite frequently between YYZ and KIN over the past few days. My cousin from Toronto is flying down on Tue
119 Post contains links hummingbird : Looks like it will be rotated twice per week to KIN, on Fri and Tues.. According to The Jamaica Observer, the delays with Redjet's Application, surro
120 JM079 : If Jamaica granted those request it will make a mockery of the position of the government to pursue a policy of the de-regulated aviaition section th
121 guyanam : CAL is not going to succeed with this. Bdos is going to say that they have teh right to nominate Redjet and if pushed will drop CAL from being design
122 hummingbird : Their POS-KIN services has beeen delayed until June 10......... One of these days, karma will play a role in JM's future expansion...... JM will exte
123 airjamaica : I really find what is unfolding here quite intriguing. So here we have this little '' fly by night '' carrier with '' old planes '' that probably wou
124 Post contains links airjamaica : As previously announced, arrangements have been made to facilitate direct air services between Nigeria and Jamaica........ '' It is hoped that within
125 jm079 : There are words this morning that CAL chairman and a member of the board along with company corporate lawyer are now heading to KIN to finally sign o
126 Post contains links hummingbird : Makes me wonder, what barriers they will face, if they plan to pursue future growth plans in Kingston.. I agree...Hopefully we can get a pic of the B
127 Post contains images JM017 : I guess the idea of what goes around comes around is lost on them. Hey!! We're open skies! But less open to others apparently. There will be much res
128 guyanam : Well we will see what eventually happens to REDjet. Having said that CAL offers a premium product and should keep its premium passengers. They just n
129 hummingbird : I wonder what will transpire if LI decides to service KIN from BGI when they acquire their jets..... CAl needs more than premium loads to sustain the
130 airjamaica : Hopefully they will be able to get a GRU-MBJ link off the ground. It is about time. As the old saying goes, karma is a b****. Already persons are ven
131 Post contains links airjamaica : There is a part of me that is not too surprised at the issues RD is encountering at the moment ( for obvious reasons ). This scenario is going to ope
132 Post contains links hummingbird : Wow..We are jumping from the frying pan into the fire.... The GOJ is now pressing The GOTT to complete the JM deal..The GOJ is concerned about the de
133 JM017 : Well, I didn't actually insult anyone. But I will admit to being wrong in supporting the deal with BW. If anyone had flamed me after my post above (p
134 Post contains links airjamaica : Reference was being made to a past scenario. However no one could possibly flame you for the post you made in # 127. RD is exploring 13 other destina
135 guyanam : That is where REd will go wrong. Starting thin routes at rock bottom fares. Their M83 and lack of access to US airspace reduces the number of high vo
136 hummingbird : Its cool.. I was referring to past conversations, where Caricom integration was being pushed down our throats and we must support our Caricom based c
137 Post contains images JM017 : A plan, people! My frustration is directed at the owners of the airline. What are their plans, then? It just keeps changing! Some markets are strong
138 Post contains links JM017 : So this is the latest. Supposedly a decision on redjet's entry into the Jamaican market will be made next week.
139 hummingbird : Once Redjet is given access to KIN, they should immediately start operating flights to destinations as HAV, NAS and GCM all via MBJ...Their lower far
140 JM017 : They, as in Redjet, should start these flights?
141 2travel2know2 : LCC almost all the time do P2P routes. KIN to NAS via MBJ may not fit on RedJet model. I'd have some doubts as Jamaica given RedJet authority to fly
142 hummingbird : Yeah, Redjet...Its full time we find carriers who will increase our inter regional arrivals..With the expected increase in head tax, any increase in
143 hummingbird : They will be allowed 5th freedon on the MBJ-KIN legs....The pattern would work fine as basically, they will earn revenue on the KIN-MBJ legs.... The
144 guyanam : It appears as if REdjet thinks that they can do what they want and the govts must bend to their will. They didnt submit appropriate applications to J
145 JM017 : Great points. And the government(s) should see it this way. But....BUT....
146 Post contains links airjamaica : Will this service be year round or seasonal ? Didn't they usually offer 2x weekly nonstop service between POS and KIN during peak periods such as sum
147 guyanam : The flight goes BGI POS KIN 2x/week. The other days its POS BGI KIN.
148 JM017 : I am not in a position to know if it is true, but Redjet claims all the appropriate paperwork was submitted. And it would provide a good option for K
149 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Unknown for now....Am pretty sure we will see another switch once Redjet starts service.. I heard, they will strike today... Prior to recieving their
150 Post contains links speedbird2263 : A bit of an update if you will: Exec Direct Aviation has been granted an AOC and is currently in advanced stages of getting operations up and fully ru
151 Post contains links airjamaica : O.K. Thanks. They were ordered back to work yesterday. An AA flight to MIA and two other JM flights were affected at KIN. '' THE Ministry of Labour y
152 yellowtail : Needs to be at least a MWF to work...most of the BZE-KIN (+BGI/POS/ANU/MBJ) traffic is business that demands that sort of service. They would not nee
153 Post contains images yankeejuliet : B-738 aircraft assigned to JM are being pulled too often to service BW's route network. BW is in no rush to sign the final share holders agreement wit
154 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Interesting perspective. Never looked at it from than angle before. Calls are being made ( once again ) for the development of an airport at Vernamfi
155 Post contains links and images hummingbird : This is a copy of their application to The JCAA.. My mom's flight JM035 got cancelled yesterday.....The JM staff was less than helpful and re-booked
156 Speedbird2263 : That would be the day! -2263
157 Post contains links hummingbird : DOT Stats Nov 2010.. JM FLL-KIN 14150-9048 63% KIN-FLL 13962-8173 58% FLL-MBJ 4240-2676 63% MBJ-FLL 4278-2670 62% JFK-KIN 9460-6454 68% KIN-JFK 10024-
158 Post contains links airjamaica : AA must be happy with their returns on their BZE-MIA-BZE sector........$$$$$$ If that is really the case then it may just backfire. Eager to see what
159 Post contains images speedbird2263 : Pie in the sky if you ask me, all this talk about Vernamfield, that would be an extremely white elephant in IMHO. Why not be more prudent and spend t
160 JM017 : To add to the points above, aren't there plans afoot to minimize the flooding concerns on the Palisadoes? This was the point I couldn't understand whe
161 yellowtail : Very. For some dates later this year, it is already showing as $1090 R/T. Generally, Up front is full of paying pax, down back is 3/4 full of very hi
162 Post contains links airjamaica : There were talks about expanding the cargo operations/facilities at the Norman Manley International Airport to tie in with the current plans they hav
163 jm079 : The agreement has been signed between Jamaica and Trinidad for CAL to take full control of JM. The finance ministers of both countries signed the agre
164 Post contains images JM017 : Was it signed n ink?
165 airjamaica : Lol. For those wondering if the pen would ever meet the paper, it is now official. Up next......RD's fate ( where their planned KIN and POS services
166 hummingbird : It looks like BW has been designated "national carrier" status..I guess we should be jumping for joy... Eff June 13, JM079 will revert to an am depar
167 airjamaica : Wonder if this will be temporary or a permanent fixture ? Cost containment with regards to crew over nights in YYZ ? No surprises here. That was expe
168 Post contains links hummingbird : It looks like a permanent move..As a loss making route, am not surprised they went ahead with these cost cutting moves... By operating a day time ser
169 yankeejuliet : Victory for BW.
170 2travel2know2 : Are the return airfares on CO BZE-MBJ route cheaper than AA BZE-KIN? If Kingston Harbour is just across the bay from KIN, developing a brand new (car
171 jm079 : There are severe limitations for the expansion of the runway at KIN which makes it impossible to pursue the sort of facilities that are being propose
172 Post contains images speedbird2263 : With all due respect could you maybe point out a limitation or two to which you allude? If I may, by way of geography/engineering the runway extensio
173 jm079 : NMIA does not have the land mass to extend the runway in either directions due to the sea. As you rightly pointed out there are airports around the w
174 Post contains links airjamaica : I find it very difficult to believe that there isn't some amount of politics/bureaucracy/protectionism involved in this scenario. It would be quite n
175 Post contains images speedbird2263 : On the point of shipping lanes, I can imagine the impedance there but there's also the RWY 30 end to which the extension maybe completed, only financ
176 Post contains links hummingbird : Funjet Vacations will offer seasonal charters on Vision Airlines from St. Louis to Montego Bay. Departures will occur from Dec. 24, 2011, through Aug.
177 jm079 : The concept for Venamfield facility is not for commercial flights. That idea to close NMIA was aired because the last major hurricane damaged the maj
178 airjamaica : It would appear to me that this wasn't explicitly explained to RD by the JCAA, as from the reports we have been reading/hearing about, the impression
179 Post contains links and images jm079 : Jamaica has invited ( http://www.netjets.com/NetJets_Fleet/NetJets_Fleet.asp ) to attend a meeting in July to ascertain the feasibility of that compan
180 yellowtail : Not really....and it would involve an o/n at IAH. Maybe doable via ATL. all BZE-USA fares are very high.
181 Post contains links hummingbird : Redjet supporters have created an online petition, that they hope will force the authorities in Jamaica and T&T to allow the carrier to service t
182 Post contains images LimaMike : Now that would've been just ludicrous. 11x weekly POS-KIN was already way more than enough. Who would they have been targeting with that new red eye,
183 jm079 : BREAKING NEWS: There is breaking news from KIN today that Brazilian carrier GOL will start flying to Jamaica starting in November. In addition Peruvia
184 A388 : That is good news but as far as I know PAL is a Chilean airline. Maybe they have a Peruvian subsidiary? A388
185 AA1818 : Congrats to Jamaica. Will GOL serve MBJ or KIN? Fantastic news if its KIN! (Either way it's fantastic news). AA1818
186 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Such a reaction was expected. POS and KIN are two key Caribbean routes that are important to RD's regional plans. Hopefully they will be able to serv
187 hummingbird : Looks like JFK-KIN will operate 4 daily for next Feb.....In summer, KIN-JFK will operate 3 daily... Yep, they are slowly growing momentum..Last I che
188 jm079 : It is now official the Ministry of Tourism and JAMVAC have announced that they are in talks with COPA Airlines to commence service to MBJ by June of 2
189 airjamaica : Good to see that MBJ will now have charter flights out of SCL, even if it is operated via an intermediate destination enroute to MBJ. The plan is to
190 Post contains images A388 : Yes, I can imagine it is exciting to see new flights coming to your country. I would be excited too if we would get a few new flights Are you sure th
191 Post contains links hummingbird : I agree...In this link, they mentioned, talks are being held with Peru and Argentina to be on board by Dec..The question is, who will be operating fl
192 Post contains images time2lyme : 3 x daily may seem too much, and I don't have access to their aircraft roster, but if I had to position a plane from KIN to POS, I'd make it bookable
193 jm079 : What is the current composition of GOL. Have they taken over those 767s from Varig? IT should be made clear from this outset that these new destinati
194 A388 : Where is it stated that the 767 will be used? If true, that is good and I think the GoJ will pay a lot for guaranteed seats on the 767 on a new route
195 Post contains links jm079 : Just an update here speedbird2263. The home site for them is not up and about yet ( http://www.flyexecdirect.com/ ). However they have announced that
196 hummingbird : Yes, as stated by JM079 in his post below... They operate a fleet of B737NGs and B767s..Their B767s are mainly used on Caribbean routes such as BGI a
197 A388 : Strange, my other sources say the flight will be routed via MAO or BSB with the 738(?). But if GOL can fill a 767 to MBJ or Jamaica is willing to pay
198 jm079 : Operating the flights via MAO or BSB maybe for Tech Stops but the thrust and intent of the marketing drive is to focus on the southern states where t
199 A388 : The destinations GOL serves now to the Caribbean are also originating in GRU but not all are nonstop flights. Focussing on the southern states doesn'
200 Post contains images hummingbird : It does not work like that! The service is a colloboration between The JTB, CVC and GOL..The majority of seats will be sold by CVC, who is known as o
201 jm079 : I did not say the flight would be operating via those cities - I was merely responding to your concerns that your source advise that the flights will
202 2travel2know2 : In the issue of G3 in MBJ, their B737 don't have the range to fly non-stop between GRU and MBJ without major weight restrictions, a no-no if it's supp
203 A388 : Okay, that clarifies it more. The aircraft type is not known yet. In any case, it is nice to see Jamaica getting their Brazilian charters now. A388
204 Post contains images airjamaica : AV operated several charters into MBJ from BOG in the past as well with the B752's and MD83's. Maybe we will see them here again someday with the A31
205 hummingbird : Agree....IMO..You would never get me sitting on a B738 for this range... To maximise aircraft utilisation, I assume they will combine both pairs and
206 airjamaica : Should they operate it in a triangular routing, hopefully they will have a combination of services, with atleast one of those flights doing PTY-MBJ-K
207 2travel2know2 : I don't know what's the situation now @ KIN but when CM flew PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY, MBJ bound passengers did remain in the aircraft when in KIN and so KIN
208 airjamaica : O.K. I see. Hopefully that proceedure still exists for the convenience and ease of the travelers.
209 hummingbird : Hopefully, this new routing will grow the MBJ-PTY higgler market.... From what I understand, if this is the routing for CM, pax will remain oboard wh
210 A388 : Yes, AV is doing quite well on their BOG-CUR route. I think it's a combination of all the traffic you mention. Indeed it will. Like I said, if they w
211 Post contains links airjamaica : That is good. Less hassle for all travelers overall, plus visitors from destinations across South America won't have to go through the trouble of dis
212 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Am curious to see what markets they will be connecting to MBJ from their PTY hub... I wonder what he meant by disadvantage, when the majority of flig
213 yellowtail : Know CM these days....flight would probably be n/s. Congrats on the GOL flight.
214 Post contains links jm079 : 1. The Tourism Ministry and Foreign Affairs Ministry are moving to out into place measures at the MBJ Airport to ensure that P JAMVAC announced last w
215 yellowtail : Frankly over here in BZE it is the same....don't think we need to be part of Caricom (though I love you guys!)....we get more benefits from being par
216 Post contains images hummingbird : Ed Bartlett mentioned on the news, the flights will be assessed for the first six months, as he is worried, Jamaica has no historical connection to m
217 airjamaica : Hopefully the schedules can be coordinated to offer smooth connections from most of the major markets in South America that CM fly to. I am thinking
218 Speedbird2263 : Been away for awhile so I haven't been able to keep up, much obliged jm079. -2263
219 Post contains links and images A388 : To the ones interested, Insel Air has received the first of four Fokker 50's that will be going to their Aruba-based subsidiary called Insel Air Aruba
220 hummingbird : I just read, the airlines are challenging The GOJ and have asked them to collect these new fees on their own... Which begs one question..Is the runwa
221 hummingbird : Breaking News: Virgin Atlantic announced today, their plans to halt KIN-LGW flights effective April 2012..Citing factors such as, high fuel prices, po
222 airjamaica : Guess they will have restrictions on the Russia flights as well. I remember when BA used to send their B747's to KIN. At times it appear as if it was
223 LimaMike : The poor performance and high fuel prices would seem plausible as reasons for axing KIN, but "JM 's pending return to London"? Really? JM does not ev
224 A388 : Thanks hummingbird, I think so too. A388
225 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : Wasn't VS @ KIN part of the JM sale of LHR slots to VS deal? If LGW-KIN was such a poor performer, could a tag-on to another Caribbean destination ha
226 airjamaica : Quite a laughable excuse being used by VS re JM's ( pending ) return to London. The other reasons cited I can fully understand. It would have been be
227 trintocan : Hmmm, JM / BW are not going to do LHR or LGW runs any time soon so this sounds like there's more in the mortar than just the pestle. Perhaps another
228 A388 : It surprises me that VS even served KIN, seeing their customer base to the Caribbean mainly caters more to the higher-end tourists while KIN is large
229 LimaMike : The UK 's visa regime pre-dated VS 's entry into KIN. Additionally, the further imposition of transit visa requirements can be tossed out as a viable
230 airjamaica : It would appear so. And of course KIN bound passengers from the UK would gravitate more towards BA's LGW-KIN nonstops, rather than a VS LGW-NAS-KIN.
231 hummingbird : Also with a possible E190 service during off peak travel period... BTW..AC will not operate their once weekly B767 service from YEG and YVR this wint
232 Post contains links LimaMike : Will WS be back on these routes? Or at least return to their previous 3x weekly schedule. I dont imagine this would be too difficult to fix. Simply g
233 Post contains links airjamaica : Hopefully WS will fill this void that will be left by AC. More than likely they will ramp up to atleast 3x weekly. I remember the days when BA was he
234 Post contains links airjamaica : Mr. Bartlett will be meeting with VS officials regarding news re VS's planned axing of LGW-KIN. '' TOURISM Minister Edmund Bartlett is to meet with Vi
235 A388 : Thanks for the clarifications airjamaica. It sure is a pity seeing VS leave KIN, from a spotter's point of view. A388
236 Post contains links and images A388 : FYI, now Tiara Air of Aruba also features a new livery with the same Aruba titles as the Insel Air Aruba Fokker 50. See the first photo in the databas
237 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread up.. Exec Direct..Jamaican Thread 39.. (by hummingbird Jun 9 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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