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UA/CO Fleet Utilization Changes For June  
User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

Starting June 2011, the following routes will be flown by Continental B-737s.

DEN-ANC
DEN-SEA
DEN-ORD
LAX-ITO
ORD-SEA
ORD-ANC
ORD-PIT
ORD-SFO
SFO-BOS
SFO-LAS
SFO-GDL
SFO-LAS
SFO-ANC
SFO-ITO

No changes for June for the 777 fleet and the previously mentioned changes to the EWR-ZRH route being flown by an UA 767-300 and the IAD-CDG route being flown by a CO 757-200 also begin in June.

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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

And what former CO routes are being operated by A-32X and 757s now?

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9398 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
And what former CO routes are being operated by A-32X and 757s now?

None yet. Just hub-to-hub routes.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9150 times:

Quoting jetskipper (Thread starter):
Starting June 2011, the following routes will be flown by Continental B-737s.

A very broad and deceiving statement.

In many cases these markets have multiple daily frequencies. CO 737 equipment will operate only a frequency or two.
For example DEN-SEA has 7 frequencies, with 1 operated by CO while remainder remain on UA equipment.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

Anybody know when newark to dulles will get mainline a/c? Its all regionals at the moment


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Several of these routes are already operating with one or more CO 737 frequencies, such as SFO-LAS.

User currently offlineKFitz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Here's to oping DEN-ORD and ORD-SFO stay with the once daily intl. configured 3-cabin widebodies. They are always full, in F, C and Y.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8107 times:
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Quoting jetskipper (Thread starter):
SFO-BOS

This is the longest non-stop commercial route in the continental US. I've flown it on packed UA 757s

Which model 737 will be used?


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8040 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
DEN-SEA has 7 frequencies, with 1 operated by CO while remainder remain on UA equipment.

And in the "WTF were they thinking" department,  Wow! one (quite unbelievably) will become a Skywest CR7 next month.

[Edited 2011-04-17 15:09:35]

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
This is the longest non-stop commercial route in the continental US.

I'm pretty sure AS SEA-MIA has it beat by just a hair.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
I've flown it on packed UA 757s

More packed than an average 757 with a 100% load factor?  

It appears that the CO-operated flights are additional frequencies and will not be replacing current UA-operated flights. Eastbound CO1520/UA1562 will be a new redeye leaving 2100, and westbound CO1519/UA4097 will be a 1900 departure.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Which model 737 will be used?

Mostly the 737-800, though certain days are showing 737-900ER.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7900 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):
I'm pretty sure AS SEA-MIA has it beat by just a hair.

   By 17nm, to be exact.

Good to see some mixing of the fleets. On an Express-related note, it seems that a good number of CR7s on IAD-SYR have been replaced with Colgan-operated Q400s.


User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting KFitz (Reply 6):
They are always full, in F, C and Y.

would like to know how much of those F and C seats are filled up with upgrades or actually purchased fares?


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7364 times:
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Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
This is the longest non-stop commercial route in the continental US. I've flown it on packed UA 757s

Which model 737 will be used?

If they are replacing a current UA flight with a CO a/c and UA had been using a 757, I could see that flight being flown with a 739ER etc..


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):

If they are replacing a current UA flight

They aren't. This is a capacity add.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
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Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):
More packed than an average 757 with a 100% load factor?

No, not at all. In my understanding of the word's usage, a plane can be *packed* and still have a seat or two free.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):
This is the longest non-stop commercial route in the continental US.

I'm pretty sure AS SEA-MIA has it beat by just a hair.

You're right -- it is by a hair. Landing.com gives it to MIA-SEA at 2363 nm. while BOS-SFO is 2342 nm. So it's Seattle-Miami by 21 miles.


Quoting panam330 (Reply 10):
it seems that a good number of CR7s on IAD-SYR have been replaced with Colgan-operated Q400s.

I flew Q400s last night PWM-EWR-BWI through the ballyhooed northeastern thunderstorms (different flight numbers but I got off and back on the same plane at EWR). An amazingly stable and powerful plane in turbulence.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
If they are replacing a current UA flight with a CO a/c and UA had been using a 757, I could see that flight being flown with a 739ER etc..

Yes, that is my memory and is why I asked the question.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting jetskipper (Thread starter):
IAD-CDG route being flown by a CO 757-200 also begin in June

From what I recall reading, this is in addition to UA widebody service on IAD-CDG-IAD. "CO" 757 service does not take over the route until Fall, 2011.

UA will have 2 daily IAD-CDG flights.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
An amazingly stable and powerful plane in turbulence.

I'm a fan of the Q, especially with the new pseudo-E+ cabins on the NG ships. It's a deceptively big airplane... wingspan is about as wide as a 737 Classic!


User currently offlineBACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Will the flights out of SEA fly into the B gates(CO) or N gates(UA)?

User currently offlineBACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

What about ORD-FLL, and DEN-FLL, and ORD-PBI?

User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

I thought the SFO/LAX-ITO was going to be operated by a UA 757?

User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting BACCALA (Reply 17):
Will the flights out of SEA fly into the B gates(CO) or N gates(UA)?

My guess would be a combination of both with some coming into B and others into N depending on the timing. Though I might say it is more likely to see them in B just based on the fact that these are additional flights



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User currently offlineBACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Looks like there is only SEA-ORD but no ORD-SEA on CO as well as just DEN-SEA and no SEA-DEN, strange.

User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Quoting BACCALA (Reply 21):
Looks like there is only SEA-ORD but no ORD-SEA on CO as well as just DEN-SEA and no SEA-DEN, strange.

Most likely these flights/aircraft/crews are routed back to CO hubs, since there will not be a CO crew base in ORD DEN or SEA, at least until SOC. Perhaps the routing is EWR-ORD-SEA-EWR, or IAH-DEN-SEA-IAH (with layovers in the respective places... EWR-ORD-SEA (layover) - EWR / IAH-DEN-SEA (layover) - IAH)...


User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5357 times:
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Quoting BACCALA (Reply 21):
Looks like there is only SEA-ORD but no ORD-SEA on CO as well as just DEN-SEA and no SEA-DEN, strange.
Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 22):

Most likely these flights/aircraft/crews are routed back to CO hubs, since there will not be a CO crew base in ORD DEN or SEA, at least until SOC. Perhaps the routing is EWR-ORD-SEA-EWR, or IAH-DEN-SEA-IAH (with layovers in the respective places... EWR-ORD-SEA (layover) - EWR / IAH-DEN-SEA (layover) - IAH)...

Or could also be the aircraft is routed ORD-SEA-DEN. This could be CO shuffling the fleet around now that they are picking up steam with the new/extra UA routes especially out of ORD and DEN to South Florida.



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User currently offlineZKNBS From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
DEN-SEA has 7 frequencies, with 1 operated by CO while remainder remain on UA equipment.

And in the "WTF were they thinking" department, Wow! one (quite unbelievably) will become a Skywest CR7 next month.

I just flew a SkyWest CRJ-700 from PDX-SFO-SAT and it wasn't that bad. I usually fly PDX-IAH-SAT so the lack of DirecTV was a bummer but the ride was fine, pitch was more than acceptable for an RJ and we routed over Lake Tahoe which was an expected treat. I had all the entertainment I needed with a windows seat as we cruised over the great southwest through parts of southern Utah, the northeast corner of Arizona and right over the top of Albuquerque before crossing into the Lone Star State.


25 NorthstarBoy : Any idea what kind of shuffling is happening on the CO side to free up the aircraft necessary for these new routes?
26 Drerx7 : I dont think that much has to be shuffled as CO is receiving 737s at a fairly constant rate.
27 jetskipper : Nope, both ITO routes will be flown using CO B737-800s. Honestly, the route I find the most interesting out of all of these is the addition of a B737
28 STT757 : I think this is just optimizing 738 fleet utilization.
29 jetskipper : At this rate ORD will soon have more CO 737 flying than CLE...
30 TOMMY767 : At this point I think it's just to circulate the CO 737s around the UA network to see how they do. Some routes like ORD-PIT make nice additions becaus
31 CODC10 : CO's 737s are somewhat underutilized. There is quite a bit of slack in the schedule and it is good to see that capacity being put to good use with som
32 kgaiflyer : I assume they will be regularizing all the hubs. I know at IAD -- where CO's usual pattern for Houston departures has been 735s to 145XRs to 'why eve
33 usairways85 : Regardless the widebodies that fly hub to hub are typically full. I was just on DEN-ORD on a 772. It went out with under 10 empty seats and with 6-8
34 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I should have saved this comment for the LAX-ELP route. That route had already dropped to CR2s (against WN 733s) and now one round-trip a day has dro
35 snn2003 : Anyone know if that BOS-SFO will depart from terminal A B or C? Snn2003
36 CODC10 : When is this change effective?
37 Post contains links kgaiflyer : This is what I have from Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...64/history/2011048/14352/KLAX/KELP
38 LAXintl : Dont trust FA. LAX-ELP is operated 2x daily by CRJs. More specifically UA6364 LAX-ELP 0735-1026 CRJ UA6291 LAX-ELP 1302-1553 CRJ UA6275 ELP-LAX 1057-
39 FL787 : It's an error. There's no way an EM2 could make it from LAX to ELP. Always take the equipment types on Flightaware with a grain of salt.
40 jetBlueE90 : not sure what the deal is(my guess error on the FA site) but for today..... 0720 1011 UA6364~ CRJ 1308 1559 UA6291~ CRJ ~UAX flights.
41 Post contains images CODC10 : I'd love to see the EMB-120 that can make LAX-ELP in 100 minutes! I think the SBA-LAX segment tricks FlightAware into thinking that flight number is
42 kgaiflyer : I'm easy to fool -- I'm old enough to remember when Allegheny Airlines flew Convair 540s BUF-MSP.
43 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Hmmm. I've only ever flown ELP-LAX on WN (I've never actually seen a Brasilia in El Paso). But I'm now booked and ticketed ELP-LAX-SFO Saturday (UA62
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