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Vietnam Airlines To Fly To London  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

VN is going to launch SGN/HAN-LON flights by the end of the year.

http://english.vovnews.vn/Home/Vietn...light-route-to-UK/20114/125921.vov

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User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

Interesting, let's see whether the new owners at LGW can really persuade new long haul carriers into the airport.


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User currently offlinesquared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

I hope this materializes. LON has been in the cards for a while, and would be a logical addition given that VN already flies to FRA and CDG.

I have some reservations however... VN has also been talking about flights to the US (SFO/LAX) for the past 5 years or so, and that hasn't gained much traction.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12563 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10676 times:

Will any UK airline want to fly to Vietnam?

I look fwd to VN flying to LGW; their green 777s will certainly be a welcome sight; although I know that some long haul carriers have pulled out of LGW, being the first Asian carrier there may work to their advantage, if they can create an effective hub at SGN.


User currently offlinetimrees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Very exciting news. I visit Vietnam each year for a charity I work for and getting there is such a long journey.

First time I flew QF LHR-SIN (A380 ) and then VN SIN-SGN-DAD
Last year QF LHR-BKK (B744 ) then TG BKK-SGN then VN SGN-DAD
Very long connecting times in SIN or BKK and a night stop in SGN to get early flight to DAD

This year trying out
QR LGW-DOH-SGN then JetStar Vietnam SGN-DAD - the shortest (and cheapest in J class) trip to date (provided it works out)

Vietnam Airlines is a smart operation internally (I've flown them many times). They are punctual and professional (and cheap). Not sure what their J class international product is like on 777 - do they have flat beds?

However, having them as an option non-stop to Vietnam is excellent.

It certainly is a country with HUGE tourist potential, fabulous people, great food and loads to see. At present, far less 'routisty' than Thailand and a great stepping off point to go on to visit Cambodia, Laos and of course Thailand.

I've always travelled with a pre=arranged Visa and I haven't noticed any problems checking in for a flight and immigration ay SGN has always been efficient and courteous and much quicker than arriving back in London!

I wish them good luck and I hope it really happens.


User currently offlinejoshrice From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

Please be Gatwick. Please Please Please, be Gatwick!

User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Quoting joshrice (Reply 7):
Please be Gatwick. Please Please Please, be Gatwick!

Yeah same here, please let it be!!!!!!!!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Will any UK airline want to fly to Vietnam?

Wasn't Thomson planning to fly to Vietnam when they recieve the 787's?



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User currently offlinepaneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

As a new member of Skyteam I would expect VN to launch AMS before London?!

User currently offlinetimrees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Don't suppose interlining traffic is so important at AMS than VFR traffic through London with the commercial links between UK and Vietnam and the large resident Vietnamese population in UK...
I know SkyTeam is the weakest global player in the UK and that AF would be the main loser if traffic were redirected via London rather than on their direct services via CDG. However, surely there is a big enough UK market to make this work with or without the SkyTeam feed?


User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8298 times:

Quoting squared (Reply 2):
I have some reservations however... VN has also been talking about flights to the US (SFO/LAX) for the past 5 years or so, and that hasn't gained much traction.

They are having problems with rights. They wanted to stop off in Japan and then on to SFO or LAX. But they could only get KIX and it was with non-5th freedom rights or something like that. I bet it will happen though.

VN has been purchasing planes including the A380. They have 787s on order and a nice round fleet of A330s and 777s. They are positioning themselves as a Southeast Asian Skyteam leader.



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User currently offlinevietsky From Vietnam, joined Nov 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Quoting timrees (Reply 5):
Vietnam Airlines is a smart operation internally (I've flown them many times). They are punctual and professional (and cheap). Not sure what their J class international product is like on 777 - do they have flat beds?

As a local news stated, VNA will fly 777-200ER. Those are equipped with Angle Lie-Flat Bed and Huge TV Screen. They also have Deluxe Economy with seat pitch around 38 inch. Major draw back is the food though

Vietsky


User currently offlinenguyenmtv18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Vietnam haven't met FAA standard to begin flights to the state yet, they are working on it. Still haven't heard any news about it either.

User currently offlinevietcolin From Vietnam, joined Sep 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

My though HVN will arrive LHR finally thanks to connection advantages. Longhaul carrier can't make money on 3-4 rights even the cost for LHR slot is unmeasurable to airline profit.
I would prefer LHR product rather than LGW. LGW is nice and offer alot of favorable conditions but how can HVN focus only into 3-4 rights market?



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

From what I've read elsewhere, it'll be Gatwick.


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting timrees (Reply 5):
This year trying out
QR LGW-DOH-SGN

Well, hope its before June 1st, as they are axing LGW from May 31st.

Quoting nguyenmtv18 (Reply 19):
Vietnam haven't met FAA standard to begin flights to the state yet, they are working on it. Still haven't heard any news about it either.

Are they currently allowed to fly into EU?



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User currently offlinevietcolin From Vietnam, joined Sep 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 5722 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 23):
Are they currently allowed to fly into EU?

what a smart question!!! They just stopped HAN/SGN-DXB-CDG from 2003 since the 1st 777 arrive



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4825 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 5682 times:

VN's focus in LON will not be O&D but rather onward flow traffic bound to Far East Asia and Australia. O&D mkt between LON and Vietnam is very little.

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

Quoting joshrice (Reply 5):
Please be Gatwick. Please Please Please, be Gatwick!


I agree, lets hope it is Gatwick. It's about time LGW got a break after this open skies agreement saw a lot of airlines transfer to LHR.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
although I know that some long haul carriers have pulled out of LGW, being the first Asian carrier there may work to their advantage


I think it probably could be, if they were clever about it and marketed it right as well. Flying to a much less congested and stressful airport than LHR could work in their favour. With all the other Asian majors over at LHR, LGW might be a better alternative for Far East bound passengers  



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 17):
I agree, lets hope it is Gatwick. It's about time LGW got a break after this open skies agreement saw a lot of airlines transfer to LHR.

Yeah also LGW is alot easier than LHR and has better connections to London and the South East.



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 18):


True, there is a lot in it's favour. It's not like there is any shortage of connections to other UK and European airports as well: BA,BE,U2. If VN set up agreements with these airlines, it would also strengthen it's position  



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8571 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting squared (Reply 2):
I have some reservations however... VN has also been talking about flights to the US (SFO/LAX) for the past 5 years or so, and that hasn't gained much traction.

It's quite different. They don't have any planes capable of flying non-stop between Vietnam and the US and even if they did, we all know the inherent high costs of ULH flying. They also already fly into Europe so not only are they already setup in Europe, they also know how to operate in Europe.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Will any UK airline want to fly to Vietnam?

Between BA or VS, I'd think not. Between the charters, probably.

Quoting timrees (Reply 4):
Not sure what their J class international product is like on 777 - do they have flat beds?

Recently refurbished to angle flats. Though they have a few ex Aeroflot birds flying in a really tight configuration without PTV's in any class. I think they mostly use those aircraft on local routes though.

Quoting timrees (Reply 4):
It certainly is a country with HUGE tourist potential, fabulous people, great food and loads to see. At present, far less 'routisty' than Thailand and a great stepping off point to go on to visit Cambodia, Laos and of course Thailand.

I completely agree, one of my favorite places in the world, especially Nha Trang and Hanoi.

Quoting vietsky (Reply 10):
Major draw back is the food though

Food on VN was quite bad, though I've only flown them on domestic sectors within Vietnam.



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User currently offlinevietcolin From Vietnam, joined Sep 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Most of HVN 777 have been upgraded recently. Among of 10 B777 in their fleet, 6 are equipped by GE90-94B, 4 are being equipped by PW4090. Beside, most of 777 have been reconfig with PTV, that mean HVN have invested heavily to B777 fleet for Europe operation.
When the market is not enough (like somebody said), there's no reason for O&D market at LGW...However, the decision will be revealed shortly  



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User currently offlinemindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 13):
From what I've read elsewhere, it'll be Gatwick.

Please share your source.

Quoting vietcolin (Reply 12):
My though HVN will arrive LHR finally thanks to connection advantages. Longhaul carrier can't make money on 3-4 rights even the cost for LHR slot is unmeasurable to airline profit.

I will tend to agree. LHR is offering more advantages over LGW as VN can send their passengers on SkyTeam fellows KL, AF, AZ flights on intra-european flights and especially on DL for TATL flights to US destinations such as JFK, ATL, BOS, MIA, DTW.
However, i don't know how they would get their slots.


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting mindscape (Reply 23):
However, i don't know how they would get their slots.

Air France is currently sitting on slots by flying ATRs into Heathrow. I'm sure slots can be found SOMEWHERE for VN.  


25 goldorak : I don't think there are anymore flights to LHR with ATR42. This stopped a while ago. They use mostly A321 on this route. For slots, if AF wanted to s
26 Post contains images vietcolin : Slots can be negotiated and currently there's plenty of choice as many airlines plan to reduce operation at LHR
27 TimRees : Yes before the flight ends in late May. It's a shame as the LGW-DOH-SGN flight has a neat connection at DOH. The LHR flight leaves earlier with a muc
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