CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
Fantasitc news, YES. finally after all this time they were able to get everyone to sign on. can't wait to see it. ISP is really growing and moving up nicely, chnaged completely to become a nice regional airport that is a great escape from LaGuardia.
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1290 times:
As full as DL's RJ flights out of CVG and ATL have been I'm suprised increased Delta service has not been added in quite awhile. I think eventually DL would like to get back into the ISP-BOS market. Also, with Spirit out of the picture I would think that the Florida flights out of ISP are doing well on both DL and WN. I'm still suprised by the number of flights WN has to BWI, I knew U flew this market, but I had no idea it could support 8 737 flights a day.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
When WN enters a market, they offer reasonable fares (I didn't say always the cheapest, so save the spam), and oevrall demand inevitably goes up, as a lot of people who would have driven, now fly; and a lot of business which would have to have been done over the phone, can now be economically done in person.
So maybe the ISP-BWI market wouldn't support so many flights at extortionate fares... but at WN's "no-gouging" fares, the "Company Plane" is waiting!
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Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
This is fantastic news!! I am so glad Southwest is so committed to ISP and I fully support the airports growth and expansion. I hope some of the other airlines are watching how successful Southwest is at ISP and they will want to add service to ISP or will bring back mainline jet service to ISP
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
Well I have a question that maybe someone in the ISP area could answer for me. The article mentions that although Southwest is building a new 4 gate terminal, Southwest's existing 3 gates will be "shut down", so they're really only getting 1 new gate. $35 million seems like an awful lot to pay for just one new gate, especially considering that Southwest will be footing the bill for most of the cost. Legend's 6 gate terminal in DAL was only $20 million.
So are the 3 existing gates going to be shut down permanently (demolished), are they going to be used by other airlines, or are they going to be refurbished and made available to Southwest at a later date once Southwest outgrows the 4 new gates it is bulding. Thanks for any info.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1198 times:
Re the question about mainline service at ISP....it's been a marginal airport for the high-fare oligopoly carriers all its life. Sometimes they've been able to fill MD-80s at their gouge fares, sometimes not. I've argued in the past that they won't grow at ISP to keep up with WN because they don't have big established operations to protect.
However, the majors do seem to be growing substantially at Manchester MHT which was a marginal airport for the Six Families other than US before Southwest arrived. Delta, Northwest and Continental in particular have really added at MHT since Southwest's 1997 arrival. MHT like ISP is a small airport that is close to a huge population base.
What disappoints me is that Southwest is committing to build gates at the existing ISP terminal on the south side of the airport. THey should be building a new terminal on the north side, adjacent to the Long Island Railroad. LoneStarMike is right--replacing existing gates at the small and poorly-located existing terminal, even if they're mobile-home add ons that need replacement--doesn't seem smart to me.
Here in the DC area, BWI's close link to the MARC commuter trains makes that airport very convenient for us in the District of Columbia to use--we take MEtro to Union STation and hop MARC up to BWI. What are LIRR fares like? MARC from Union Stn to BWI is only $5.
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Apparently the 3 existing Southwest gates will be turned into office space. Part of the $35 million will also go for 2400 new parking spaces and a moving walkway to lead directly to the Southwest terminal. I wish the article would have been more specific as to where on the airport property the terminal would be constructed, although I think it does mention that the parking spaces will be on the east side of the airport property.
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
I am glad to see WN expanding, and I'm sure the traffic will increase to and from ISP as a result.. BTW- DCA-ROCguy said something about a tram from DC to BWI for $5??? I wish we had a tram to FNT or DTW for $5!
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Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1133 times:
I'm going to go out on a little bit of a limb, and comment on the financing of the new terminal, but, being an airport management employee who does know a little about airport capital project financing, I'll throw this out there:
The two articles referenced in this thread tell us that Southwest is going to foot the $35 million tab for the terminal, with the FAA paying the rest. I would look into this a little further, and find out whether or not Southwest is actually paying the bill, or.....fronting the bill that will eventually be paid by the ISP airport people. That would be done via rent credits paid by SW to the airport (the airport would lower SW's rental costs of terminal, office, and overnight space).
In these days of financial micro-management by the airlines, $35 mill is a lot to be throwing around. Methinks there's more to the story than the papers are reporting (nothing nefarious, though, just unreported).
Tom in NO (at MSY)
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina