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767-counting Days Or Still A Decade To Go  
User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10749 times:
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Will 767 be the same ending as 757 stop for production or still have a decade or at least a couple of years to go??

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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

They will be building it for the new tanker contract.

User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10723 times:
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Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
Will 767 be the same ending as 757 stop for production or still have a decade or at least a couple of years to go??

Per NY Times article - 18 by 2017 - 179 total.
They will be around easily for a decade.


User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

The 757 ended production in 2004, so the 767 has already had several more years of production. Between the tankers and civilian orders still trickling in, I can confidently say that we'll be seeing new 767s roll out of Everett for several more years.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10675 times:
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Even without the KC-46 contract, the 767 had 49 frames left to deliver which at around 2 per month (max), would have been good for a couple more years, at least.

Now with the KC-46 contract, production should last well into the 2020s as it is possible the airframe will secure more commercial and military orders now that production is assured for some time.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6602 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10536 times:
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As a passenger frame, once the 787 comes in line, I doubt it´ll last more than 5 years. As a tanker though, as others have said, it´ll still be around for a while.

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

I think there is the possibility we may still see some orders for the Freighter version

User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10275 times:

Yeah, the 767 has some life in it yet. Between the tankers and incoming freighters, I wouldn't be surprised to see this become one of those peculiar dinosaurs still in production for a while. Kind of like the Checker cabs that way...
I think they made those things into the '80s. Like them, if the 767 shows a niche but strongish market for what it is, it could well be around for a while.

Anyone know what's up with FX maybe getting 764s? That would be great!


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10196 times:
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I mean for passenger or cargo only airlines, 767 don;t have much days??

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10165 times:

As long as there is a world wide shortage of long range aircraft, which means B787 and A350 production at 15 per month and the A380 at 4 per month. they still have days before heading to the desert or cargo conversions.
On the other hand, Boeing even did not succeed to place many 767 with costumors as 787 delay compensations, like Airbus could do so with many A330 for A380 compensations, so the 767 does not look like an attractive bride.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 6):
I think there is the possibility we may still see some orders for the Freighter version

Especially since certain cargo operators are already looking towards renewing their respective fleets. Also, if Boeing develops a new variant of the B767 Freighter, it could potentially prove to be very attractive to certain cargo operators.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
On the other hand, Boeing even did not succeed to place many 767 with costumors as 787 delay compensations

Yet Boeing still received NEW orders for more B767-300s from future B787 operator(s) that are not related to any form of compensation for the B787 delay.


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9934 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
Yet Boeing still received NEW orders for more B767-300s from future B787 operator(s) that are not related to any form of compensation for the B787 delay.

Like in the hundreds or like in two here, three there?


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
Will 767 be the same ending as 757 stop for production or still have a decade or at least a couple of years to go??


Many years life left in them for sure. As long as DL is operating the 767 
Heck they are stll spending so much money on mods to these birds I'm sure they will be around for 10 more years with DL. Heard even that DL TOC is developing a NEO for 767.
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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9772 times:
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With the 787-3 shelved, it wouldn't surprise me to see JAL and ANA order 767s as their domestic 767s come up for retirement.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

I could see many more orders for a B-767F. The B-767-300ERF is still a good medium haul freighter, and now that the USAF is going to pay for its developement, the B-767-200LRF could have a life with high priority freight.

User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

Quoting KGRB (Reply 3):
The 757 ended production in 2004,

If this is true, then The 767s have a looooong time left in the bizz. If you think about it, the 767 is taking care of the routes that the 757 couldn't normally do and the 777s would be too inefficient to perform, consequently the 767 is the best of both worlds. That's the way I see it.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7658 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
On the other hand, Boeing even did not succeed to place many 767 with costumors as 787 delay compensations,

I thought they were offereing 777's as compensation.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting KGRB (Reply 3):
The 757 ended production in 2004,

Was 2004 actually when the last one was made or when they stopped offering it? I thought they kept it on the books for a few years after to make it available to customers but since there were no customers they finally just scratched it from their books altogether...



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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17):
Was 2004 actually when the last one was made or when they stopped offering it? I thought they kept it on the books for a few years after to make it available to customers but since there were no customers they finally just scratched it from their books altogether...

I'm sorry, I was off by a year. The final 757 was delivered to Shanghai Airlines on November 28, 2005. As I understand it, Boeing made one last ditch sales effort in the early 2000s and when that failed they decided to finish out production with the remaining airframes on the backlog.



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2978 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 13):
With the 787-3 shelved, it wouldn't surprise me to see JAL and ANA order 767s as their domestic 767s come up for retirement.

That's the reason for ordering 787s.
JL is pretty much finished up with fleet replacement. The 787s will just displace some of the 763ERs that can be converted to domestic use. They probably (should) stretch out their deliveries best they can.

Hard to tell what ANA will do. It is possible that the 788 & 789 can be domesticated - certified at a very low gross weight.
Or use the 763ERs displaced by the 787s on int'l runs and convert them into a domestic configuration.
The immediate need is to replace some of the very early 763s - circa 1987/1988-builds.


User currently offlinegenybustrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
On the other hand, Boeing even did not succeed to place many 767 with costumors as 787 delay compensations, like Airbus could do so with many A330 for A380 compensations, so the 767 does not look like an attractive bride.

IMO, that's not a fair analogy. The A330 was next best plane in the Airbus lineup and that's why it was airlines' choice for A380 compensation. The A340 was already dead. In the case of 787 compensation cases, airlines generally preferred to squeeze Boeing for cheap of free 777s as it's a much newer, more desirable plane than a 767 and is likely to command a better secondary market price.


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 16):
I thought they were offereing 777's as compensation.

You are thinking of Kenya Airways 767-400 order that Boeing convinced them to get a 777 instead.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7658 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 21):
You are thinking of Kenya Airways 767-400 order that Boeing convinced them to get a 777 instead.

Nope, I was thinking of the below.

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 20):
In the case of 787 compensation cases, airlines generally preferred to squeeze Boeing for cheap of free 777s as it's a much newer, more desirable plane than a 767 and is likely to command a better secondary market price.

Guess the distinction had to be made on who was driving the a/c compensation, Boeing or the airlines.


User currently offlinerb211 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Just of the top, does anyone know how many of which series of 7-6's are left? Sad about the 7-5. Died before its' potential was truly realized.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
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Quoting rb211 (Reply 23):
Just of the top, does anyone know how many of which series of 7-6's are left?

The current backlog stands at:

04 767-2C (these are the initial four KC-46 frames)
24 767-300ER
25 767-300F


25 srbmod : Unless Boeing has intentions of launching a cargo version of the 764, I don't see them acquiring any anytime soon, as DL and CO/UA have no plans to r
26 cx828 : SO that means that all 767 version can stop for production after clearing the current order of both the passenger and cargo airlines??
27 Stitch : If no more of either are ordered, yes. At that point, production would be solely the 767-2C model for the USAF KC-46 program.
28 Viscount724 : Just curious where you see the "767-2C" designation for the KC-46A tanker? A search in the Boeing website for "767-2C" has no results.
29 Stitch : That is the Boeing designation on their Orders & Deliveries pages. You can see it if you do an Unfilled Orders report on the 767 or a User Define
30 JayinKitsap : Does anyone know how certifications work, as in - if Boeing updates to a glass cockpit, the newer PW engines, and other improvements on the 767-200F h
31 BoeingGuy : At least two companies, including the Boeing CAS division, are offering a retrofit upgrade package to the 767 to a "glass" cockpit. It's not the same
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