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First EasyJet A319 Leaves Fleet  
User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

Today sees the first easyJet A319 G-EZEJ to leave the fleet, EJ was ferried from Gatwick to Abu Dhabi to be returned to the lessor

G-EZEJ was delivered 05-05-2004

Source: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=1

Glenn


http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9829 times:

Actually, it's the third A319 already leaving the fleet.

G-EZEH (which became HB-JZG) was WFU at 08Apr and was ferried to AUH for maintenance at 09Apr.
G-EZEM (which became HB-JZH) was WFU at 01Apr and was ferried to AUH for maintenance at 02Apr.

Both G-EZEH and G-EZEM as well as G-EZEJ are going to Brussels Airlines.

[Edited 2011-04-22 07:59:21]


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Why so early? Just opting for the larger -320s?

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

Could it be they are on one of those standard seven year leases?

User currently offlinegt4ezy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
Why so early? Just opting for the larger -320s?

By Easyjet and Ryanair terms these days, they're actually quite old



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

Quoting gt4ezy (Reply 4):

By Easyjet and Ryanair terms these days, they're actually quite old

Which equates to - They bought too many aircraft.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):

I doubt it... Airlines like FR and U2 have a strategy of buying lots of new aircraft, using them then selling them on when they still have a lot of second hand value. Ensures efficiency and saves on maintenance costs (I believe)


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):
I doubt it... Airlines like FR and U2 have a strategy of buying lots of new aircraft, using them then selling them on when they still have a lot of second hand value. Ensures efficiency and saves on maintenance costs (I believe)

And if you are to believe some rumours with FR, sold on for a higher price than they paid for them



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User currently offlinegt4ezy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Whilst some of the above is true, it's particularly because the FR/U2 models are predicated on using new, efficient and low maintainence aircraft.


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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

That explains why I saw 2 x easyJet tails at AUH last week. I thought they were a long way from home. I did not realise EZY were getting rid of A319s already, particularly as there are still B737s in the fleet; or at least were recently.

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Which equates to - They bought too many aircraft.

I don't think they bought too many aircraft - the three aircraft we are talking about are all leased - and with a lease time of seven years the aircraft can get a second lease of life for the lessor. The different low cost carriers have different fleet policies. easyJet use their brand new aircraft for a limited time, unlike Southwest Airlines that use their aircraft until they probably meet the heaven in the desert. The oldest aircraft by Southwest is now over 26 year old, and it isn't without reason that they are having problems with their aircraft trying to become convertibles (some of their aircraft have very high cycle numbers after many years of high utilization). To show you that there are at least two fleet policies within the LCC world, below you'll find a list of fleet average age for European and North-American LCCs. The European LCCs are listed after the number of passengers they are moving and they are all members of European Low Fares Airline Association (ELFAA). It is interesting to see the most successful of the European airlines have relatively new aircraft. The third among the Europeans, Norwegian, is in the middle of a process to renew the whole fleet and within the end of 2012 only consist of new B738s and a even lower average age than easyJet has today.



User currently offlinegt4ezy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Which equates to - They bought too many aircraft.

Not at all. There is competition between bases for based aircraft. The UK bases (other than LGW and MAN) are increasingly having to compete with the more profitable continental bases. It was why EMA was closed and NCL have seen their based units halved in the last couple of years.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13017 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6390 times:
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When to the 737s leave U2's fleet? Just curious and somewhat related...

Quoting EZYAirbus (Thread starter):
G-EZEJ was delivered 05-05-2004

Has that little time passed since U2 started flying the A319? To me it feels like a longer perior of time.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
Actually, it's the third A319 already leaving the fleet.

That makes sense to me. I would have been surprised if U2 had not yet rotated out a few A319s due to their replacement strategy. I would love to know the resale value versus purchase price and depreciated value... However, as leased aircraft, it might be the economics of new leased work better for U2 than signing for a lease extension.

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 3):
Could it be they are on one of those standard seven year leases?

Looks like it. Does anyone know who is picking up these GE powered A/C.

Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):
Airlines like FR and U2 have a strategy of buying lots of new aircraft, using them then selling them on when they still have a lot of second hand value

   Except for a few 737s. I'd love to know more about their history.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 7):
And if you are to believe some rumours with FR, sold on for a higher price than they paid for them

Except for U2, it looks like they already did a sale/leaseback. Probably for a 'paper profit' that helped U2 years ago.

What I find interesting is the reaction when relatively young (but re-leasable) aircraft leave a fleet as part of a strategy.
I wonder how a.netters will react when either EK or SQ A388s, that have already been sold for profit as part of sale/leasebacks, hit the 2nd hand market...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
When to the 737s leave U2's fleet? Just curious and somewhat related...

There are only 2 active 73G's left in the fleet, and they will leave very soon.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
Has that little time passed since U2 started flying the A319? To me it feels like a longer perior of time.

Deliveries started in September 2003 with 5 frames to EZS, while deliveries to EZY started in early 2004.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

And number four is leaving, G-EZEK will be flown to AUH today on return to the lessor.


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User currently offlinegt4ezy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 13):
There are only 2 active 73G's left in the fleet, and they will leave very soon.

End of Summer 2012 is the current plan.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Which routes do the 73Gs still fly?

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 16):
Which routes do the 73Gs still fly?

Right now is G-EZKD about to land at Aberdeen on a flight from Luton.


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Quoting gt4ezy (Reply 15):
End of Summer 2012 is the current plan.

That long?  Wow! I thought the plan was revised and the retirement of the 737's was accelerated? Can't be very economical to keep just 2 737's for more than a year.

Quoting Vasu (Reply 16):
Which routes do the 73Gs still fly?
Weekdays:

737 #1:
EZY2201 LTN-MAD 06.45-10.15
EZY2202 MAD-LTN 10.50-12.15
EZY2203 LTN-MAD 13.00-16.30
EZY2204 MAD-LTN 17.10-18.35
EZY147 LTN-ABZ 19.05-20.30
EZY148 ABZ-LTN 20.55-22.20

737 #2:
EZY2015 LTN-FAO 07.10-10.00
EZY2016 FAO-LTN 10.30-13.25
EZY2323 LTN-HAM 14.10-16.40
EZY2324 HAM-LTN 17.10-17.45
EZY2061 LTN-GVA 18.10-20.55
EZY2062 GVA-LTN 21.30-22.10

Saturday:

737 #1:
EZY2221 LTN-ALC 06.00-09.35
EZY2222 ALC-LTN 10.10-11.50
EZY2075 LTN-BUD 12.40-16.10
EZY2076 BUD-LTN 16.40-18.15

737 #2:
EZY2031 LTN-BOD 07.05-09.45
EZY2032 BOD-LTN 10.15-10.55
EZY2027 LTN-MPL 11.25-14.20
EZY2028 MPL-LTN 14.50-15.50
EZY2017 LTN-FAO 17.05-19.55
EZY2018 FAO-LTN 20.30-23.25

Sunday:

737#1:
EZY2201 LTN-MAD 07.05-10.40
EZY2202 MAD-LTN 11.15-12.40
EZY2123 LTN-NCE 13.25-16.30
EZY4095 NCE-BRU 17.00-18.45
EZY4096 BRU-NCE 19.15-21.00
EZY2126 NCE-LTN 21.30-22.35

737 #2:
EZY2015 LTN-FAO 07.35-10.25
EZY2016 FAO-LTN 10.55-13.50
EZY2439 LTN-CDG 14.55-17.15
EZY2440 CDG-LTN 17.45-18.00
EZY2285 LTN-MXP 18.25-21.25
EZY2286 MXP-LTN 21.55-22.55



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 18):
That long? Wow! I thought the plan was revised and the retirement of the 737's was accelerated? Can't be very economical to keep just 2 737's for more than a year.

Ditto, I was under the impression they would be gone before the end of next month.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13017 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
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Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 13):
Deliveries started in September 2003 with 5 frames to EZS

Ok, that is more along the timeline I recalled. Why does Easyjet Switzerland keep a different operation than the rest of U2?

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 18):
Can't be very economical to keep just 2 737's for more than a year.

They're going to train pilots and F/As plus mechanics for two aircraft?!?   

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 19):
Ditto, I was under the impression they would be gone before the end of next month.

Ditto.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 14):

And number four is leaving, G-EZEK will be flown to AUH today on return to the lessor.

Whom is picking up these airframes?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Ok, that is more along the timeline I recalled. Why does Easyjet Switzerland keep a different operation than the rest of U2?

When easyJet bought a stake in TEA back in 1998 they became an easyJet franchise operator, called easyJet Switzerland. They always kept their own Air Operator's Certificate and there are some differences between EZY and EZS. EZS for example uses different weights for passengers when making a loadsheet and they have a slightly different buy-on-board menu as well.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Whom is picking up these airframes?

The two former EZS aircraft are reported to go to Brussels Airlines, I don't know about the other two aircraft.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 21):
The two former EZS aircraft are reported to go to Brussels Airlines

I thought the EZY/EZS frames were the high density A319s with 8 emergency exits. Doesn't exactly lend itself to compatability with the rest of the SN fleet.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
I thought the EZY/EZS frames were the high density A319s with 8 emergency exits.

They are, 156 seats and 8 exits indeed.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13017 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4751 times:
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Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 21):
The two former EZS aircraft are reported to go to Brussels Airlines, I don't know about the other two aircraft.

Thank you. I was just curious. Good to see these are in demand.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 23):
They are, 156 seats and 8 exits indeed

Man... I thought it was a row too many for B6 to have 162 seats in the A320...  

Lightsaber



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25 bralo20 : For SN they'll be reconfigurated into 141 seats with the new LH slimline seats... The "older" A319's flying for SN are having 132 seats but will also
26 gt4ezy : The plan, last I heard (maybe 2 months ago now) was that the 2 737's will be in the fleet until the end of Summer 2012.
27 sabenapilot : SN will also operate 2 A320s soon, so they will then have an Airbus fleet composed of planes having 2 as well as 4 overwing exits, depending the plan
28 gt4ezy : As long as they are reequipped with a bigger/more ovens, they will be fine for the routes they will operate. It's actually surprising how much space
29 Post contains images KELPkid : Define "re-leaseable." Would not a U2 A319 (with 4 overwing exits) be an oddball if added to most existing A32X fleets ? Not to mention, to us a.nutt
30 Viscount724 : I expect carriers that don't need the 2 extra window exits to meet certification requirements can deactivate them so they'll only need the additional
31 Post contains links and images vhqpa : Exactly Anyone who doesn't need the extra exits will most likely deactivate them. When deactivated the only way to tell that they are there is if you
32 gt4ezy : No other airline would, LCC or otherwise, would opt for the double exit I don't think. When the A319 was inititally ordered, easyjet believed, or led
33 skipness1E : Switzerland isn't in the EU so to have aircraft, crews and bases there, they need a Swiss based company. Also no one refers to them as U2, it's EZY t
34 BrianDromey : My guess is SN will deactivate the exits and no one will be able to tell the difference. Interesting. I know there have been discussions about 150 se
35 gt4ezy : lol very true but on here (and the other site) they are often referred to as U2 rather than EZY for some unknown reason. So much so that I often now
36 gt4ezy : It's a weird one. They did do a trial 18 months ago at LGW (and for a very brief period, at one or two other bases) where they effectively deactivate
37 Post contains images lightsaber : Thanks... makes sense. A pain, but if required... Is there a tax advantage to having the expense of a 2nd set of aircraft (registrations), crew, and
38 gt4ezy : lol we weren't born yesterday. We know what U2 is, it's just in the wider world it's EZY that is used. For many on here, they just seem to use the le
39 Post contains images KELPkid : Dunno, when I flew to Asia a few years back, I was suprised to see that most airlines over there use their 2 letter IATA code at the beginning of the
40 Post contains links Viscount724 : Then don't forget to use DS for EasyJet Switzerland. You never see U2 or DS on airport information screens. It's always EZY for U2 and EZS for DS. Ex
41 baguy : I have to say thats what I hear most - eg 'Now calling flight BA001' or sometimes I hear (eg) 'Now calling TAP Portugal flight TP001' baguy
42 skipness1E : It's not actually in use though, except on a couple of stations in the network as pointed out above. I tend to use the one in common usage, which mea
43 aidoair : I know this is definately off topic, though I think up untill about 2-3 years ago the 2-letter codes were much more common at least in the UK. I can r
44 TimRees : According to my records and cross referencing with the a.net photo library HB-JZF A319-111 2184 ex G-EZEH DD 130904 HB-JZG A319-111 2196 ex G-EZEI DD
45 Viscount724 : Except the generally less-familiar ICAO codes don't decode when you move your mouse over the code, as most IATA codes do. Same applies for IATA versu
46 Post contains images lightsaber : Interesting... I'm used to seeing the two letter code before a flight number for US airlines... learn something new every day. As long as it is a rec
47 gt4ezy : Easyjet swiss has always been EZS. Air 2000 only used DP on a select few scheduled services with AMM being used on 95% of services and FCA adopted un
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