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Australian Aviation Thread #48  
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17031 times:

Good evening all, welcome to thread #48.

A summary of discussion/announcements in #47.

QF:
- to sell 734 fleet sooner rather than later?
- 4 of the two class 744 reconfigured to three class.
- some Q400's to move to PER?
- 717's to come back to mainline?
- leasing 3 more 717's for Cobham.
- China expansion plans (hiccup).
JQ:
- poor communication re delays/cancellaions in Japan flights.
- revamped website.
- refit of all A320/321.
DJ:
- changes to "happy hour" system.
- training flights for first A330.
GA:
- daily services announced for CGK to MEL and SYD.
TT:
Op problems and "show cause" issued by CASA.
STRATEGIC (VC):
The future?
LION AIR:
interest in flying to MEL.
Airports:
more about SYD and a second airport?
In General:
- Analysis of top 10 International Pairs. (with emphasis on MH and KUL).
- Ac spotting, particularly in MEL.

Let further discussion begin.


remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
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User currently offlinevaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16963 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
717's to come back to mainline?

That would be great.. Does anybody have odds of this? I was due to fly one last year CNS-ASP but.. it was to expensive :P

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
changes to "happy hour" system.
- training flights for first A330.

I like the new Happy Hour system. I was in class during the old one and never could get on   Now I can 
A330 will be exciting.. Is it May 26th the first flight?

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
The future?

Hopefully coming to CBR... And SYD... And maybe becoming a bigger domestic player? Could this happen?



a346
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16957 times:

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 1):
Hopefully coming to CBR... And SYD... And maybe becoming a bigger domestic player? Could this happen?

Who knows with VC. Could end up anywhere  

Spin the bottle and where it lands they will fly.....


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16956 times:

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 202):
CAN, 3 weekly. Daily if works.

Should do very well.

Considering CS' ambitions in Australia, it will need to gain a good foothold in markets like PER to meet those lofty targets.

[Edited 2011-04-23 04:25:38]

User currently online9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16886 times:

Any idea what equipment CZ might use for their mooted PER services?

332,333 or 772?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16823 times:

DJ no more... Welcome Australia's 2nd national carrier  

Virgin Australia it is! http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...irgin-australia-logo-revealed.html

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16729 times:

More press on Tiger.

"TIGER Airways could put passengers on rival carriers after cancelling a Melbourne to Sydney flight for the second day in a row.The flight was cancelled after a windscreen seal on one of its aircraft had to be replaced, causing major delays to a Melbourne to Mackay flight which had been due to fly at 6am this morning, but has still not taken off.
The cancelled Sydney-bound flight was scheduled to take off after 5pm, but the discount airline operator is now contacting affected passengers trying to squeeze them onto other crowded Easter flights.
If they can’t be accommodated on their own flights, Tiger will pay for them to fly with another carrier, a spokeswoman said."

I am in disbelief "Tiger will pay for them to fly with another carrier"........

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/tige...8g495p-1226043224468#ixzz1KM0GK0bu

"The problems came after the Civil Aviation Safety Authority revealed it had issued what is believed to be its first show-cause notice to a major airline in a decade. It is understood the CASA notice concerns longstanding issues about oversight of maintenance in Singapore -- although not the standard of the maintenance -- and pilot check and training standards."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...tiger/story-e6frg8zx-1226043538802


"Industry observers said that this meant the reason for the disruption was not likely to be related to the "show cause" issue. The last airline to be hit with a "show cause" notice in Australia - Ansett - failed just months after being warned by the regulator."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...ebusinessnews/view/1124161/1/.html


Anyway you look at this you would think this should initiate a major shake up for Tiger



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16701 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
DJ no more... Welcome Australia's 2nd national carrier

Virgin Australia it is! http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...irgin-australia-logo-revealed.html

EK413

lookig at the article:

Quote:
It is understood Virgin Australia will be the brand for domestic operations while Pacific Blue, and possibly Polynesian Blue, will be folded into the V Australia brand

EH? what a let down...


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16702 times:

and bring the discussion forward from old thread... AI have set 28th June as their start date on DEL-MEL and are evaluating DEL-SYD

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...t-again-and-hopefully-finally.html


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16698 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
DJ no more... Welcome Australia's 2nd national carrier

Virgin Australia it is! http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi....html

Am I correct in saying I believe there is to now be 2 brands only.
1. Virgin Australia for domestic, hence I suspect DJ shalt remain the airline code, and
2. V Australia for international (and I think their code is VA).
So, if I am reading it right, there are still 2 distinct brands, as opposed to the expected 1. Not as tidy as I think JB would have liked.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 6):
I am in disbelief "Tiger will pay for them to fly with another carrier"........

I would very much like to be a fly on the wall to check to see how many pax "flew with another carrier". Over Easter, at what cost, IF they can find a seat!! Nope, cant see it, IF they could find a seat, it would have cost TT the earth. Nothing against TT, but I see this as "spin".

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 6):
The last airline to be hit with a "show cause" notice in Australia - Ansett - failed just months after being warned by the regulator."

I have studied the collapse of ANSETT in some detail, and although what you say is correct, I would venture to say AN was in heaps of strife long before the "show cause" etc, this event just hastening the demise.



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16691 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 7):
EH? what a let down...

The only reason to do that would be that SQ has disallowed them to use Virgin internationally. Very disappointing (if true).

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16624 times:

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 4):
Any idea what equipment CZ might use for their mooted PER services?

332,333 or 772?

I have my bets on a 332.


User currently offlinerotation From Australia, joined Sep 2010, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16554 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 9):
Virgin Australia for domestic, hence I suspect DJ shalt remain the airline code

Which is odd - don't all the DJ flights have VA codeshares with the exact same number? Like, the flight might be DJ213 and codeshare VA213? I always thought this was a move to merge the brands, and given that Virgin Australia was the likely, now obvious winner, having a VA code would be pretty good. Or maybe that's just on selected flights...

Also: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/t...plane/story-e6frfq80-1226043925136

I didn't see that link posted in this or the previous thread, so apologies if it's a double up.

I understand the passengers' frustrations, but it is again annoying that people don't understand flying. DJ had to take on extra fuel to get through bad weather - these people seem to put minor inconvenience and falling out of the sky due to lack of fuel together in the same basket of severity...
Shame about the baggage breakdown at MEL though - same thing happened to me when I flew to the states in 2005 and I was 3 days in Boston in the snow without my bags - I'm sure the pax could have handled Hobart for 24 hours, given Melbourne is not exactly experiencing desert-like weather at the moment either.



AN YC BA QF JQ DJ NZ AA B6 TT VA WN VX UA SQ EY
User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16544 times:

Quoting rotation (Reply 12):
I understand the passengers' frustrations, but it is again annoying that people don't understand flying. DJ had to take on extra fuel to get through bad weather - these people seem to put minor inconvenience and falling out of the sky due to lack of fuel together in the same basket of severity...

Why could DJ not have just offloaded baggage / cargo (if any) to compensate for the extra fuel. Surely passengers without baggage is a better situation then having to remove passengers from a flight? Especially when these people with have hotels and other commitments arranged. Of course delivering the baggage would cost money!

ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16544 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 6):
More press on Tiger.

What a joke of an airline they are. Vanessa Regans (the spokeperson for Tiger) comment that this was "Unavoidable" is not true. If there was proper maintenance on the planes, it would have been avoidable. And it seems they handed out $5 vouchers for pax who were delayed over 5 hours in Hobart, try buying something to eat at an airport for $5.



אני תומך בישראל
User currently offlinetruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16475 times:

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 1):
Hopefully coming to CBR... And SYD... And maybe becoming a bigger domestic player? Could this happen?

I doubt they would fly into SYD, from where? SYD has alot of competition anyway. Would Strategic lend its hand at mining flights? Not necessarily FIFO flights as the A320 is quite big, but flights from East coast to north-west WA towns. Surely they could get an agreement with one of the mining companies to operate these flights?

Quoting tayser (Reply 7):
EH? what a let down..
Quoting TN486 (Reply 9):
Am I correct in saying I believe there is to now be 2 brands only.
1. Virgin Australia for domestic, hence I suspect DJ shalt remain the airline code, and
2. V Australia for international (and I think their code is VA).
So, if I am reading it right, there are still 2 distinct brands, as opposed to the expected 1. Not as tidy as I think JB would have liked.

I would think 3 brands, I didnt think they would be able to change Polynesian Blue to V Australia/Virgin Australia. Polynesian Blue is an agreement with the government of Samoa (I think...) and I would be very surprised if the government would allow them to change it to Virgin Australia. Changing the name of a national carrier to that of another country would be a first (but I could be wrong). I am not up to date with the Virgin-name deal with SQ, but if they could, I think they would be better off changing Pacific Blue and Polynesian Blue to Virgin Pacific, if not just change Polynesian Blue to Virgin Polynesian, that way keeping the Virgin brand name.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 9):
I would very much like to be a fly on the wall to check to see how many pax "flew with another carrier". Over Easter, at what cost, IF they can find a seat!! Nope, cant see it, IF they could find a seat, it would have cost TT the earth. Nothing against TT, but I see this as "spin".

You would be right, news last night had a furious passenger who had read 'passengers put on other airlines' but had not been offered and when asked was told no.
Typical Tiger.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16403 times:

Two brands will still be an extra layer of administration. The A330s will be here to be domestic aircraft, but when more aircraft arrive in the fleet, A330s would be ideal for flights to Asia - there was one Canadian airline which said that the A332 is best used on routes that are over 6 and a half hours - the fact than many airlines, in Australia and overseas use the A332s on routes shorter than that does not mean the Canadian airline was wrong (even though that Canadian airline is no longer around, Canada 3000)

So, will we see A330s in Virgin Australia AND V Australia titles? Or passengers will be asked not to look at the plane from the terminal window?

If Trans Tasman will be operated by a separate fleet of 738s, will those aircraft not get the makeover the Australian domestic fleet get? It has been said that JB quite likes the AirNZ Trans Tasman product, and he will want to match it. It seems strange that there will be parts of a Trans Tasman itinerary, where the passenger could fly ADL-MEL-CHC, and ride in a Business Class seat for ADL-MEL, but not for the whole journey.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

Nice to see that we will now have Virgin Australia flying around domestic

Hopefully Virgin use the VA flight number and get rid of the DJ flight code.

Quoting rotation (Reply 12):
Also: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/t...plane/story-e6frfq80-1226043925136

I understand the passengers' frustrations, but it is again annoying that people don't understand flying. DJ had to take on extra fuel to get through bad weather - these people seem to put minor inconvenience and falling out of the sky due to lack of fuel together in the same basket of severity...
Shame about the baggage breakdown at MEL though - same thing happened to me when I flew to the states in 2005 and I was 3 days in Boston in the snow without my bags - I'm sure the pax could have handled Hobart for 24 hours, given Melbourne is not exactly experiencing desert-like weather at the moment either.

I thought it was Pacific Blue who operated the flights to Bali,

Seems like Pacific Blue handled this badly,

Quote:
The Easter weekend got off to a bad start on Thursday when an embarrassed Virgin Blue captain was forced to call for two volunteers to leave the plane after extra fuel was needed to fly through bad weather to Bali.

Maybe this is an Australian thing, I guess we are so not used to airlines needing volunteers because of over sells or weight and balance issues.

Did the cabin crew not promote the deal to all the passengers, yes I am sure it will upset the start of your holiday but if you are being offered a lot of money to go on a flight the next day, why wouldn't you take it.

It also sounds like the announcement was done very late, almost like the flight was boarded and then the pilots realize they were too heavy during their calculations.

Sounds like the Virgin Blue staff offering the compensation could not up the deal and now they have this bad press, and now they look like a bad airline.

Hopefully Virgin Blue change some of their policies in offering compensation, which I think there is a minimum they need to provide but they really need up the offer and the sales pitch.



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16305 times:

JetConnect ZK-JTR currently sitting outside Air NZ 737 hanger missing Kangaroo and QANTAS titles. Has been sitting here for over 2 weeks now.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16102 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 17):
Nice to see that we will now have Virgin Australia flying around domestic

Hopefully Virgin use the VA flight number and get rid of the DJ flight code.

Hopefully what's been mentioned in the article isn't true and DJ & VA will merge under the one umbrella "Virgin Australia" otherwise this re branding hasn't really gone as JB planned...

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

If the aircraft could not fly non-stop Melbourne-Denpasar, should they not just have added a technical stop at Darwin or Broome?

Oh no, hold on, this is Virgin Blue. and when my OOL-SYD flight could not land in SYD on Tuesday due to the security alert they forced us to fly to BNE, not return to OOL, because the aircraft had been due to fly SYD-BNE and then on to Darwin.

They had the cheek to tell us that OOL was closed, when in fact another DJ plane landed and took off from it during that time!

And then, to get us off the plane at BNE, they told us an aircraft was waiting at the next gate to take us on to SYD. Surprise surprise, we disembarked, no plane, no crew.

The announcements harped on and on and on about the security alert being "nothing to do with Virgin Blue", but made no attempt to explain why they had effectively abducted us and forced us to go to Brisbane to maintain the integrity of their schedule.

I've learned a fair bit about Virgin Blue this week.


User currently offlinemal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16022 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 17):
I thought it was Pacific Blue who operated the flights to Bali,

Pacific Blue/ Vitgin Blue Makes no difference in the scheme of things, I hope they have compensated these people for the efforst in screwing a holiday all booked paid for and already on the fight for. I should imagine it will all be washed over with a refund on flights & rooms paid for with the added sweetner of a free return on the network .If i were the people involved i would take the rembuirsments and tell them where to stick the free ticket.

mal787



Flying cant get enough of it
User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15992 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 8):
and bring the discussion forward from old thread... AI have set 28th June as their start date on DEL-MEL and are evaluating DEL-SYD

I'll believe it when AI touches down.

Quoting tayser (Reply 7):
EH? what a let down...

Complete letdown. "Virgin Pacific" as a blanket brand would have made far more sense. "V Australia" is meaningless, which is perhaps what they're hoping for.


User currently offlineBNEFlyer From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15947 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 20):
If the aircraft could not fly non-stop Melbourne-Denpasar, should they not just have added a technical stop at Darwin or Broome?

It can't be as easy as just calling up DRW or BME airports and then landing 4 hours later. It's a shame those 2 people couldn't fly, but if they didn't get off the plane, no one was going anywhere. Better that 2 people be delayed than 180 and the flight be cancelled altogehter?

They were probably compensated very well and who knows, could be in Bali right now.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

With the statements from Lionair regarding launching services to MEL, do they even have CASA clearance to fly here? I thought they were rejected in a past attempt to do so.

25 Airbusa322 : They will fly where there is no competition with their A330's. They are weak and have no choice. Yeah, I did hear 772. I also got info that VAus are
26 RyanairGuru : Now that would be nice. 1 or 2 weekly flights to DPS and NAN would go down well, and - for the record - we're bigger than Townsville and they already
27 Post contains images vaustralie : I like it. I like VA and it would be sad if it had to go I think thats right BNE-SYD SYD-BNE ? DPS-TSV-SYD SYD-TSV-DPS ?
28 vaustralie : Just to add to my other post (I'm still not sure how to edit, I'm only very new..) It would!! I was out at CBR on Friday and in the space of two hours
29 TruemanQLD : BNE-SYD already has a lot of competition, as does DPS-Oz
30 Post contains images vaustralie : True, just doing a dummy booking ... JQ has 3 daily flights, DJ has 16 daily flights, QF has 18 daily flights, TT has 3 daily flights Combined thats
31 ZuluAlpha : Hello all It look like QF isn't going to use Wunala Dreaming on (VH-OEJ) on it's maiden flight to DFW. A contact has given me the information of the f
32 Zkpilot : Well if you are frequent flyer in Y it looks like you will be lucky and have a W seat. Likewise W pax will get J seats and J FF's will get F seats.
33 ThomasCook : How does this config work on a 4 Class B744 which has; P14J66W40Y187? P will be sold as J but what about the other 14 J seats and how does W get scal
34 Airbusa322 : No chance. Look at GLT, they are already complaining to the newspapers this morning about the competition. They are running pretty poor loads there f
35 Zkpilot : This is how: A zone (F seats) are sold as J seats. B zone (J seats) are sold as W. C zone (J seats) are sold as W. C zone (W seats) are sold as Y. Up
36 ZuluAlpha : Like what Zkpilot said, most of the Premium economy seats are generally sold to tiered frequent flyer members when they purchase a standard Y cabin.
37 alangirvan : Canberra to Bali could be a Jetstar style flight - CBR-DRW in an A320 and change at the DRW hub. The Canberra flights to Fiji were a very short affai
38 ThomasCook : Thank you for this however, on a 744ER or Pacific config, B Zone is 28J seats and C Zone is 14J seats and W is being sold here as 26 seats so how doe
39 pugsley : They also use the two rows of W seats forward of the toilets as W. this is the extra 12 seats you are looking for. The remainder of the W seats from
40 Post contains images vaustralie : FQ (Brindabella Airlines) is operating these type of tours to CBR-Lake Eyre from May-September, with varying dates in between the days it operates. F
41 Post contains images JQflightie : was your first flight a QF flight? SYD-CBR .... JQ is a no go at CBR
42 vaustralie : Oops yeah it was a QF flight - sorry forgot to mention that bit!!
43 winglets747 : The far most important network in the Virgin Blue Group is its Australian operation that flies within Australia and internationally to/from Australia
44 Airbusa322 : They have built up the VAustralia 777 long haul brand to widely, it would be suicide to axe it.
45 aerokiwi : I can see the logic, but I think it's flawed. Virgin Atlantic manages, afterall. And a lot of airline names have no apparent geographic-specific appl
46 aerokiwi : Except, according to several Virgin staff members on here, most people just call it 'Virgin' anyway, so it can't be that strong. The brand is much mo
47 CXfirst : In the short term maybe. But, in the long term, Virgin Australia would become a stronger brand than V Australia, as it ties into the whole world netw
48 alangirvan : Qantas has been through the rebranding exercise as well. In the early 90s when Qantas took over Australian Airlines, they kept the Australian Airlines
49 winglets747 : Apples and oranges. Virgin has a huge and dominating single country presence the way AirAsia doesn't. Yes, Malaysians may call AirAsia their airline,
50 Post contains links Bluebird191 : Looks like QF is wanting to add a 3rd daily A380 flight to LAX once they have enough delivered - http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-ad...=flipper&u
51 EK413 : More than likely counting VH-OED as a ER variant... EK413
52 TN486 : i believe he worked for QF for 30 odd years.
53 EK413 : Spot on...& still wasn't good enough to be handed over the CEO position @ QF... What a shame QF is losing experienced executives... EK413
54 JQflightie : sorry i dont agree... QF needs a full re-fresh! and that goes for management too... not just crew, aircraft, soft and hard product!
55 Post contains links RyanairGuru : Unfortunately we should take this so-called suggestion with a MASSIVE grain of salt: 1) The suggestion that there will be a third A380 flight was bur
56 TruemanQLD : I agree, Alan Joyce did a very good job with the start up of JQ and earnt his position. QF needed and still needs a shake up, and I believe Alan Joyc
57 aerokiwi : You rarely get a perfect comparison, but DJ has an expanding presence on international routes, both out of Australia and across the Pacific and Asia.
58 28L28L : When did Qantas operate B717s on mainline routes?
59 TruemanQLD : After they bought Impulse and before the creation of Jetstar
60 Post contains images QF175 : Some news from Brisbane. -Thai Airways has not long commenced daily services from Bangkok - all services are terminators -Malaysia Airlines has introd
61 RyanairGuru : I saw a CZ 777 last week and wondered whether it was just a sub or a permanent upgrade. In light of this I presume it's the latter? The flight goes d
62 smi0006 : I think the 717s operated east coast routes but they were still branded asQantasLink aircraft weren't they? I think they also had QantasLink crews, n
63 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Wow.. really? Who would have known. Thanks Sherlock The fact you took the time to take that seriously really says alot. Most media outlets source fro
64 winglets747 : +1 Thank you. My original post was taken out of context by AusBT and has now taken on a life of its own. I have no inside insight where the third A38
65 Post contains images IndianicWorld : These things always tend to go on tangents, or just plainly taken to mean other things. Not unexpected Will be interesting to see what QF have planne
66 QF175 : Why the need to post it in the first place? It does not add value to the discussion at hand. There hasn't been an "announcement" per se. Agree, that
67 Flyingsottsman : Wow I would love to see AC back in MEL. How come they pulled MEL the first time I know they did Melbourne Vancover via Honolulu back in the mid 90s h
68 IndianicWorld : It was around 2001 from memory. Not sure it was the best time for such a route, considering the events of the time, and given that it had only just s
69 TruemanQLD : Isnt the Manila service only once weekly? Seems like a big boost in capacity, I would have thought the 747's were needed elsewhere. I think we will s
70 gemuser : The B717s were operated by Impulse until after the A320s arrived and they were transferred to NJS. Jetstar IS Impulse, the name on the AOC & COA
71 ditzyboy : We shared SYD-OOL with mainline for the most part. The initial plan was SYD-OOL all B717, which was a disaster capacity-wise after the collapse of An
72 ditzyboy : Operational staff were on EBAs.
73 Post contains images vaustralie : Is CAN-BNE traffic better than CAN-SYD? I would have thought a 777 would be needed on SYD route.. (if it's not already, but I saw an A330 last week)
74 gemuser : I THINK they replaced AWAs. All staff were on AWAs (in particular the pilots) when QF brought Impulse from the McGowans (or whatever their names were
75 Post contains links and images TN486 : Hi 28L28L, having done some research, and I know you are a stickler for dates, or "timeframes" can I offer the following (and this is just an expansi
76 VH-BZF : I have heard that Korean Air will add their 4th Melbourne flight later this year. Anyone know when Cathay Pacific will add their 4th daily flight to M
77 ditzyboy : I believe you may be thinking of the 'unit trust' arrangement that cabin crew and pilots were 'employed' under by a Newcastle-based company named Air
78 Post contains links JQflightie : i think you will find that its actually via DRW :S All 734's are currently for sale! Now please can someone help me... just logged onto QF website to
79 EK413 : They operate twice daily utilizing A330 equipment which justifies no need for a B772... EK413
80 28L28L : Thanks to everyone who provided data and recollection to the history of B717s operating under various titles throughout Australia during the past 11 y
81 fuffla : BNE-DBO may not be so stupid. A perfect route for DJ/Skywest ATRs.
82 vaustralie : Sorry - I didnt click the Flight Number info for more information.. Thursday is via BNE (or at least the day I looked) and your right, the JQ one is
83 vhqpa : When Qanats brought Impulse didn't they change the name to Airconnex or similar very briefly before reverting back to Implulse? Those could be the Jet
84 ditzyboy : Impulse operated for Qantas for six months before being purchased by Qantas. In that time, Qantas set up an internal company called Airconnex to deal
85 Post contains links QF175 : Bindabella Airlines is adding an additional service to Moree, effective Friday 29 April. The extra services will operate every Friday afternoon and br
86 RyanairGuru : All good points. I was probably a bit hasty there! Brindabella would definitely be the obvious contender, although I wouldn't necessarily write off R
87 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.engageaviation.com/resour...rcraftdetails.cfm?manID=4&modID=27 http://www.speednews.com/EquipmentRe...ch=Aircraft&Aircraft=737&
88 Airbusa322 : Bit different for SQ (and Tiger, Jetstar Asia), they can take advantage of accelerated depreciation rules in Singapore, so turnover of aircraft might
89 EK413 : The additional service commenced on November 1, 2010 utilizing the A332... EK413
90 Post contains links Airbusa322 : Here is DJ's next white bird, YFE. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5647911223_931364b5ed_o.jpg Check out the 8th last window, looks like seatback
91 vaustralie : hmm interesting.. thanks!!
92 EK413 : Your welcome... Just curious will your username be vanishing with rebranding of Virgin Blue... EK413
93 Post contains links jetfuel : Jetstar is pushing ahead with plans to use the iPad for in-flight entertainment on its domestic and international flights beginning soon. (The airline
94 Post contains images EK413 : These NEW builds delivered in the white scheme have been very clear indicators of the color scheme... Can not wait EK413
95 Post contains images vaustralie : Nooo I like them too much When I last flew JQ longhaul they had .. kind of like iPads but bigger, chunkier and a lot less choice. Hopefully when intr
96 TruemanQLD : The Ipad has been a big drama for JQ so far... wasnt it meant to start LAST June? I know they got stolen or something, but still, by the time they ar
97 winglets747 : I'm not sure I'm willing to say that's what it is. I'd wager on that being the starboard window. BUT what's the hump on the top of the fuselage? It's
98 Post contains links BNE : Interesting article from flightglobal which could potentially delay the A330-200 for Virgin Blue. Safety concerns may delay Virgin Blue A330 services
99 IndianicWorld : Lets just hope its a small issue that can be quickly overcome to the satisfaction of all stakeholders. The last thing DJ/VA need is more bad press.
100 Post contains images TN486 : Click on the link in post 98, then move to the left of the blog page and you shall be able to click on a link of an interesting article stating why QF
101 Post contains links and images BNE : Clicking on the link and I found this story. Aeropelican flights took off with wrong passengers?
102 jetfuel : This is not uncommon with new fleet type. CASA is pretty damn rigorous. It is no reflection on DJ but more a reflection of how thorough our regulator
103 Post contains images vaustralie : LOL... that made my night!! agreed. and if it means safer skies then I'm happy for this to be delayed a few days (not weeks, but days... )
104 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...e-air/story-e6frg95x-1226046420594 Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the group still did not have definiti
105 Post contains links and images BNE : Well Virgin Australia is confirmed the name for the new airline, when you do a booking from SYD-MEL connecting to an Etihad flight it shows the domest
106 pugsley : I thought I would check this out myself (not that i didn't believe you) and surprise, surprise, the Vaustralia web booking is currently down. Looks l
107 RyanairGuru : Unfortunately I can't figure out how to attach my e-ticket (pdf) without printing it out and scanning it (and I don't have access to either right now
108 RyanairGuru : Hmmm, the article specifically mentions that the service will be operated by a "New South Wales company" Virgin Blue are Qld and SkyWest are WA so I'
109 Post contains images BNE : I guess someone told a programmer to put it back to what it was.
110 EK413 : The aircraft is off to KUL on 2nd of May operated by 3 tech crew... I was under the impression the aircraft would be painted in CHC? Can someone conf
111 AeroplaneFreak : A330s cannot be painted in CHC, 737s and 738s can.
112 EK413 : A A.netter source mentioned CHC that's only reason why I asked the question... So this confirms VH-XFA will have the livery applied in KUL... EK413
113 SXI899 : It's one of the B738s (I believe the VH-YFC) being painted into the new livery in CHC.
114 EK413 : Cheers... Thanks for clearing this up... EK413
115 Post contains images TruemanQLD : So the aircraft will leave on the 2nd of May and be back in Australia (I am assuming BNE) for the 4th of May?
116 Post contains images EK413 : Your guess is as good as mine... All I know is the aircraft is scheduled to depart from the VIP stands approximately 21:00 with 3 tech and KUL bound.
117 BNEFlyer : Isn't there an A330 at SZB at the moment? DJ are getting 2 A332's from EK so it would make sense that the one thats over there at the moment will most
118 EK413 : You must be referring to VH-XFB, if that be the case your probably spot on the mark... Regardless of DJ/VA being a BNE based carrier more than likely
119 winglets747 : Virgin confirmed on Friday the unveiling will be in Sydney next Wednesday with an aircraft in the new livery touching down at 9 am. Branson will be th
120 vaustralie : Do you know where abouts in Sydney airport? I'd like to go... :O
121 Post contains images EK413 : Just heard over the radio mentioning Mr Branson in town next week... Virgin Australia unveiling... Its about time! EK413
122 Post contains images vaustralie : Excellent on a side note, I'm sure I saw it on another thread but I'll repeat it - I just looked up a flight from MEL-SYD and it says the operating a
123 smi0006 : I do feel sorry for QF and JQ, would be very interesting to see where the QFgroup would be positioned now if it weren't for the delays. What is the r
124 Post contains links JQflightie : is this a ex DJ 737-700 ?? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aerol...d=f64c6eb474aadac01108cd80d4af4c7c
125 jetfuel : We are still waiting. It's 3 years after the initial delivery date and Qantas is yet to receive its Boeing 787. Qantas has not been advised anything
126 BNEFlyer : Yes, their 2nd aircraft. I'm sure I read somewhere that VBA has also gone to AR. Looks pretty cool in the new AR livery!
127 brad330 : Just a quick quesion. It has been 3/4 years since Qantas rolled out there new livery yet it is rare to see an aircraft with the new branding. Whats th
128 Post contains links and images EK413 : Based on a report QF Group was suppose to have a fleet of 50+ B787 by 2012... So if Boeing intend to deliver you hope they ramp up the production and
129 TruemanQLD : Yeah, to the untrained eye they are basically identical so no need to change it immediately
130 VHECA : [quote=EK413,reply=128]Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 126): Looks pretty cool in the new AR livery! Yuk!!! That looks awful... EK413, I must admit, I kinda l
131 ditzyboy : The previous livery made the 333 look somewhat boring, IMO. The new livery will really help with that - 'filling out' the long fuselage. The bolder c
132 Post contains links VHECA : Anyone with more on this? http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...light/story-e6frf7jx-1226048321513 Minor explosion, most likely an engine (or compres
133 Post contains links Quokka : Apparently a fan blade malfunction. Engine was shut down and aircraft returned safely. Qantas has confirmed the engine will need to be replaced, accor
134 Post contains images vaustralie : I really like it! A matter of opinion I guess!!
135 Post contains links ptrjms : gotta love Justin Bieber being told to sit down on a QF flight and having it make news...... http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/Blog.as...ogentryid=819032&a
136 Post contains images EK413 : Except the fact the new Kangaroo is on human growth hormones I hope and pray "Virgin Australia" unveils something special on the 4th of May EK413
137 vaustralie : THAT has made my day! LOL! There should be no special treatment for him.. he is a passenger and therefore must abide by the illuminated signs! Oh so
138 Post contains images TN486 : Oh OH, there's a couple of guys on this thread that may be after you after that comment, but I love love it, well done sir, I thought it very funny
139 ditzyboy : [B]Qantas Domestic 332 J Config Update[/B} Information suggests that the domestic 332s with the 2-3-2 J cabin will simply have a 'workspace' fitted to
140 JQflightie : yes it was heading for ZNE this morning... well done to the crew... hope they had a change of underwear!
141 legacyins : QF 73/74, SYD-SFO, is ending one week earlier than announced. The flight was originally to operate final service on 14MAY11, but this is now moved for
142 TruemanQLD : That is a bit rough, I assume everyone will be rebooked on United? If I had booked it, I would be very annoyed that it was cancelled and especially s
143 jetfuel : I agree but airlines are doing this more and more. You have to read the terms and conditions on airlines sites and IMO it sucks. Basically they agree
144 allrite : out of curiosity, was this on April 5 when the return flight was delayed by about 4 hours?
145 jetfuel : No April 8. The CNS-KIX was cancelled outright and then put pax on the CNS-NRT flight. They delayed the flight for connections and then operated CNS-
146 allrite : I think they messed around with all their schedules thanks to the earthquake downturn. Our outbound flight from KIX to OOL left 4 hours late "due to
147 Post contains images VHECA : Sorry but I don't think that this has been mentioned yet, re VB's new brand, but. What is the best media outlet to get the prem-o coverage? Is it a lo
148 Post contains links jetfuel : http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...1/05/03/a-last-blue-day-at-virgin/ It’s the last blue day today for the Virgin brand in domestic airlines as
149 Airbusa322 : If you have access to a internet enabled phone, then twitter Virgin Blue, or just go onto the Yssy forum which would be the first place on the web th
150 747m8te : I hear EK are operating an A380 service tonight BNE-SIN-DXB due to one of their other aircraft going tech? anyone know more about this??? aparently th
151 jetfuel : 1st ever commercial ops for A380 in BNE
152 Post contains links BNE : I would have to say that here on www.airliners.net is the best source for aviation news stories. Some websites will sometimes be quicker but over a f
153 Post contains images 747m8te : Indeed! im wondering if they will use the 3rd Aerobridge that goes to the upperdeck from the lounge at gate 75...would be a sight to see!
154 TruemanQLD : If the new livery is shown as the aircraft flies in, surely some one can get pictures from wherever it takes off?
155 9MMPD : I doubt it. That particular A330 will leave SZB in the very early hours in the morning to make it to SYD in time for the unvieling. Make sense that i
156 Airbusa322 : YFC is leaving CHC 7am (5am AEST) so surely someone over their will get a shot.
157 Post contains images vaustralie : I booked CBR-AVV return with TT and they axed the flight three days prior to traveling.. and put us on a CBR-MEL flight and said we had to make our o
158 9MMPD : Oops forgot about the 738. Hoepfully a CHC spotter will make it down to the airport early enough tomorrow morning.
159 Airbusa322 : At least Tiger are pretty open when they change flights, first option is quite generous. 1 - If you would like to travel at another time (within 7 day
160 Post contains images jetfuel : I also note that the first DJ A330 flight in the system is 26 May. Too bad if youve made plans to be somewhere specific at a specific time
161 Post contains images vaustralie : Not open for me. When I went to print off my boarding pass it said MEL not AVV - I thought I'd booked the wrong flight for a moment!! But when I call
162 BNEFlyer : That's the inaugural SYD-PER. There's nothing on the Brisbane airport website, Balus or Flight Stats. But looks like A6-ECG (77W) hasn't gone back to
163 9MMPD : If an EK A380 does fly to BNE tonight that would be the first time EK has sent an A380 to 3 Australian ports in 1 week as A6-EDA operating EK412 DXB
164 pugsley : I read that today as well. Its not really a great fix. While it does eliminate the dreaded middle seat, it still does not provide much extra space fo
165 BNEFlyer : Just checked WebTrak, Balus and BNE airport site, EK433D/EK8433 operated by A6-ECG departed about an hour ago to SIN/DXB. So looks like they fixed her
166 Post contains images EK413 : A.Net EK413
167 9MMAR : I have seen the Virgin Australia livery!!! First photo of it was uploaded in Malaysianwings 5 minutes ago by JKSC.
168 AeroplaneFreak : Looks horrible. Coudn't they add a bit of colour?
169 Post contains links anstar : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/jksc/DSC_4790NI-800.jpg Looks awful - should have had the normal virgin tail!
170 9mmpd : I hate the stripes on the engines. The engines should of been all in red. Right now with the stripe it looks like part of the engine cowl has been bor
171 aussieindc : looks like my post was taken away. IMHO, it certainly looks underwhelming. I can appreciate that they wanted to keep it different to the 'other' red t
172 Zkpilot : overall I wouldn't say awful, but yes it should have had the normal virgin tail, it just looks like a white tail plane on lease right now
173 BNEFlyer : It's nice, it's different, it's unusual. Well done Virgin Australia. Can't wait to see her in person!
174 Post contains images allrite : I saw a Virgin Australia A330 flying overhead North Ryde as I walked back from dropping my son at childcare this morning. I had to look hard to distin
175 TruemanQLD : Well that is the biggest let down in a long time... why so boring? At least now if you see and airplane and its red you go 'ah Virgin Blue' now its wh
176 pugsley : I've just heard that Richard Branson is going to be on channel 10 show, the circle this morning to talk about the new virgin australia. I like the new
177 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper "From today, Virgin Australia will operate domestically in Australia. By
178 VHECA : I think I vomitted in my lap! The Virgin Lady - really? The Virgin Name - Great that we have Virgin Australia The Virgin Name - The colour is a little
179 VHECA : I wonder what our resident professional designer would have thought of this attempt!? What would he have done? Curious to think! Cheers Vheca
180 TruemanQLD : Why couldnt they at least have gone with something like the Virgin Atlantic Livery? Love it or hate it, its better than the new Virgin Australia one!
181 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.youtube.com/embed/F1CuemkrzFQ New 1 minute Virgin Australia TV comercial
182 TruemanQLD : Finally something half decent to come out of the day! Though, I think they should have at least said something like 'Virgin Australia, the new name f
183 QFA787380 : No announcement yet on the 737 business class?
184 Post contains images EK413 : I like it! Well done JB and Virgin Blue, oops, I mean Virgin Australia My predictions of the brands operating under the one umbrella have come true..
185 6thfreedom : I also like it, for what it's worth. slick, sophisticated and no nonsense. i'd rather DJ invest in their inflight product rather than fancy and expens
186 jetfuel : Introduced by end of 2011
187 Post contains links pilotdude09 : http://virgin.yb.nl/a330/start.html A330 virtual tour
188 jetfuel : Best news is the nose camera in the A330
189 Bluebird191 : Do we have any images yet of the new economy seating? I've seen the info about the A330's business class seating, but I'm hanging for the new economy
190 Post contains links ash1111 : http://www.ausbt.com.au/first-on-boa...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper Pictures of their new 738 interior with J/Y seat pictures.
191 Zkpilot : The interiors look very nice.
192 smi0006 : I really like the new look Virgin website very simple and stylish big improvement! Just wish we could see some of that purple in the livery! I wonder
193 NZ107 : Very nice indeed. Much better to their previous cabin. I just wonder how long it'll take to refit the entire fleet.
194 Post contains images vaustralie : Agreeeeee! I like it the way it is - sort of matches V Australia I agree - some colour Agree :P I like V Australia better NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (So they re
195 Airbusa322 : Its going to be one long white 777. Vaus livery is one of the best around.
196 JQflightie : well atleast the uniform adds a little colour to the works... and by little i mean a little... that is the most underwhelming re-fresh of a airline...
197 AeroplaneFreak : I flew DJ228 (ADL-MEL) today, and it was branded as "This Virgin Australia service to Melbourne". Was very surprised to be hearing it. Also noticed th
198 vaustralie : I love V Australia's livery :O So is it being rebranded as Virgin Australia with the new livery or ... what :S
199 TruemanQLD : I would assume so, no point in having 2 different liveries for the same brand.... if only they had used the VA livery with Virgin on the tail in Blue
200 jetfuel : The VA livery with Virgin Australia lettering would have looked pure class. What we have today was a paintjob on a couple of leased planes
201 TN486 : Well, the tail is simple, but striking. IMHO the VAustralia livery was better. I was hoping that that livery would be retained with "VIRGIN AUSTRALIA'
202 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions. Feel free to contribute in the next part of the series, which can be found here: Australian Avia
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