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Attempted Hijacking On Alitalia Between CDG & FCO  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months ago) and read 18446 times:

According to the Italian press, the only one available regarding this story so far, a Kazakstan's man who was flying between Paris and Rome tonight on an Alitalia flight tried to divert the plane to reach Tripoli in Lybia.
A female Alitalia's F/A have been injured by the pax with a little swissknife.

The plane safely landed at FCO at 22.05 local time where the hijacker has been arrested by the Italian Police.

(Italian Only)
http://www.repubblica.it/politica/20...entato_dirottamento_roma-15348491/

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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months ago) and read 18419 times:

How did he get onto the aircraft in the first place with a swissknife???


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months ago) and read 18342 times:

The updated article speaks about "nail clipper", not "swissknife".

User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18219 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 2):
The updated article speaks about "nail clipper", not "swissknife".

Ahh right. In the UK you are not allowed nail clippers in your hand luggage.



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User currently onlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17880 times:

Here is the headline in English from the BBC:

Man attempts to hijack Alitalia Paris-Rome flight

The Alitalia plane was on a flight from Paris to Rome
A man has been overpowered by cabin crew on an Alitalia flight from Paris to Rome, after he drew out a small knife and demanded the plane divert to the Libyan capital, Tripoli.

A female flight attendant was slightly injured as the man was subdued.

The suspect, from Kazakhstan, was handed over to police and arrested after the plane landed at Rome's Fiumicino airport at 2005 GMT.

He was reportedly "in a very confused state of mind", news agencies report.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17768 times:

As this story illustrates, it is no longer really possible to hijack a plane with a small, minor sharp object. The person will simply be overpowered. So why we spend so much time trying to remove such inconsequential items from people, I don't know.

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17553 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 5):
As this story illustrates, it is no longer really possible to hijack a plane with a small, minor sharp object. The person will simply be overpowered. So why we spend so much time trying to remove such inconsequential items from people, I don't know.

Yes, from this one story security should suddenly "lighten up". HA doubt it will change anything, and glad it wont....

Glad things turned out ok in this.


User currently offlinejanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17367 times:

Quote:

Man who tried to hijack Italian plane overpowered

A man who tried to hijack a Paris-Rome flight Sunday night and take it to Libya was overpowered by cabin crew during the flight and arrested when the plane arrived in Rome, officials said.
A statement from Alitalia airlines said the man had assaulted a flight attendant "and asked that the plane be taken to Tripoli."
Other attendants on flight AZ329 then overpowered the man, who was "clearly agitated" and the captain radioed police, who arrested the man when the plane landed, the statement said.
Italian media reports quoting police sources said the man was armed with what appeared to be a small knife.
The flight attendant was taken to a first aid station at Rome airport for treatment of minor injuries. No other injuries were reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...-libya-plane-idUSTRE73N2BW20110424


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17206 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 6):

Yes, from this one story security should suddenly "lighten up"

It isn't a question of lightening up. It's a question of being smarter. It's a question of doing realistic risk assessments, collecting intelligence, and then putting resources into efforts that would actually yield a safer situation, instead of putting on a show that might make some people feel safer, without actually making them any safer. Confiscating things like nail clippers is an example of the latter.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16715 times:

Quoting janmnastami (Reply 7):
and the captain radioed police

Just as a minor point, the captain doesn't have access to police radios. They notify the controller of the situation, who passes the information along to airport ops, who notify the police.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 5):
As this story illustrates, it is no longer really possible to hijack a plane with a small, minor sharp object.

One person with a small pocket knife won't on a plane with more than 3 or 4 passengers, but if you get 10 or so on an empty flight with 6-inch blades (the old standard), the only thing that will stop them is the cockpit door.

But yes, nail clippers are harmless. It reminds me of the Holy Grail scene with the Black Knight. "What are you going to do, bite my legs off?"



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User currently offlineSMPPLNOHoW2FLY From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

After what happened in 2001 passengers and crews are way more responsive..its no longer just "oh crap were hijacked, we'll divert to cuba and be home by dinner" the mentality around the world is "who is this ba^^ard and how can I inflict the most pain so he wont be able to hijack us"


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User currently offlineferminbrif From Venezuela, joined Dec 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15584 times:

Quoting SMPPLNOHoW2FLY (Reply 10):
After what happened in 2001 passengers and crews are way more responsive..its no longer just "oh crap were hijacked, we'll divert to cuba and be home by dinner" the mentality around the world is "who is this ba^^ard and how can I inflict the most pain so he wont be able to hijack us"

I totally agree with you mr SMPPLNOHoW2FLY


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13720 times:

In addition, I don't even think there is enough fuel to fly all the way to Tripoli. Kudos to the cabin crews for handling it very well.


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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13342 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 12):
In addition, I don't even think there is enough fuel to fly all the way to Tripoli. Kudos to the cabin crews for handling it very well.

Here's part of the answer... looks like a no-go to me too.
From CDG to FCO : 595NM
From CDG to TIP : 1090NM

The article mentions the plane landed at Heathrow, and I was quite confused until I realized the automatic translator experienced a major failure, translating this sentence :

Quote:
L'aereo è poi atterrato all'aeroporto di Fiumicino alle 22.05.

into


Quote:
The plane then landed at Heathrow at 22.05

 

Here is an excerpt that caught my attention :

Quote:
"He kept hold of the hostess boxcutter throat and, without saying a word, laughed and laughed," says a young French woman who has clearly seen the whole scene. "The man, tall, thin and bespectacled, he suddenly stood up from his seat in the bow area and, once behind the nearest flight attendant, took out the boxcutter and approached the knife to the throat." The hostess, however, has yet explained the woman, "you are not panicked and called the aggressor even more to follow in the front of the plane. But the man did not answer and began to laugh , remaining motionless.

If I were among the authorities, I'd seriously consider a psychiatric evaluation before proceeding any further with this man.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6176 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12825 times:
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So he wanted to go to Lybia? Mmmh. Italy can still indulge him. As a member of NATO, they can send him to Misrata or similar towns, shackled by the ankles and the neck, of course, with a nice orange suit, to help clear debris, bodies and whatever else is necessary. It´s a winning proposition. He gets to go to Lybia, and employed too.

[Edited 2011-04-24 23:09:36]


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User currently offlineCaptainCrackers From New Zealand, joined May 2010, 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

The updated article seems to refer to nail clippers, and not a Swiss Army Knife. However, note that EC Reglation 185/201 of March 2010 only bans blades of longer than 6cm, which means that it is currently legal to carry small Swiss Army Knives onto aircraft in the European Union.

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

Quoting SMPPLNOHoW2FLY (Reply 10):
After what happened in 2001 passengers and crews are way more responsive..its no longer just "oh crap were hijacked, we'll divert to cuba and be home by dinner" the mentality around the world is "who is this ba^^ard and how can I inflict the most pain so he wont be able to hijack us"

Can you give me example of where this a.net myth has actually occurred......because I certainly don't know of one? Please tell me passengers and crew have 'responded' to?


User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 1):
How did he get onto the aircraft in the first place with a swissknife???

It happens all the time. Just last week, I accidentally put my tiny Swiss knife (the tiny "Classic" model with a little blade, nail file and scissors) in my carry-on as opposed to the checked luggage. I'm not sure if they detected it, but anyway no one said a word and to be honest, that would have been silly because the worst damage you can do to a plane with one of those is a few scratches.

IMHO, this highjacking attempt is one that shows how the system should work.



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 1):

How did he get onto the aircraft in the first place with a swissknife???

I just heard on TV that the guy was working at the embassy of Kazhakstan in Paris. Could it be possible that he had a diplomatic passport and therefore has not been searched at security due to it's status ?


User currently offlineSMPPLNOHoW2FLY From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):

Err, American 63...and I new crew training goes over the new policies for crew. These are technically SSI so I'm not gunna go into it but its forceful. Plus dep of home land security offers crew self defense training. Prior to 9/11 they did not, this is no myth.



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User currently offlineSMPPLNOHoW2FLY From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

AA 63, he grabbed an FA and another FA responded...but fine not the best example. UA 93, hijacked and crew and passenger responded...


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Why did he want to go TO Libya!

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
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Quoting SMPPLNOHoW2FLY (Reply 10):
the mentality around the world is "who is this ba^^ard and how can I inflict the most pain so he wont be able to hijack us"

The mentality is no "we're all going to die." The assumption a hijacker will let passengers and crew live is not the prime assumption anymore.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 8):
instead of putting on a show that might make some people feel safer, without actually making them any safer. Confiscating things like nail clippers is an example of the latter.

  
The current security is theater.

While this individual clearly has psychological issues, he also put quite a few people in fear of their lives. At a minimum he should be banned from air travel for a decade. That might not be the law, but it should be...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineoneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 8):
doing realistic risk assessments, collecting intelligence,

Expensive, time consuming and the rule of "they need to get lucky only once....." comes into play.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 8):
putting on a show that might make some people feel safer,

Cheaper and more sense of security versus input.

I agree with your points but it's like law enforcement..."We want to see a copper on our street" when that resource may actually do MORE in the office working on intelligence. But it makes the public happier and that makes the politicians happier!! If only common sense came into it!



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

On Easter too. I bet this was the scariest Easter those pax had. What's strange to me is that, isn't the security in Europe just as strict as the US if not more so? So, how did they let this man fly?


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25 Post contains links janmnastami : In the last photo, you can see the Swiss knife: http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/20...to/arresto_dirottatore-15352411/1/
26 hamad : I used to hold a diplomatic passport for so many years because of my father. we were searched like every other passenger in terms of searching. they
27 DeltaMD90 : Uh, this Alitalia flight???
28 aloges : That's the same kind of knife I was talking about. It's utterly useless as a weapon.
29 L1011Lover : multiple times... even before 9/11 and of course even more so after... there was a BA flight for instance somewhere over Africa in which the plane ev
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