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Delta 75N Update & Other Aircraft News  
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1685 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14903 times:
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Delta is making progress on updating the tired 757-251's inherited from Northwest formerly known as the 5500 series (now 75N in Delta's fleet coding). A handful of the 75N's now have completed the first phase of cosmetic updates: sidewalls are re-laminated with the familiar Delta light blue pattern; the bulkheads and luggage compartments have the new Delta wallpaper; and the galleys have been given Delta wallpaper.

The process is on-going. I was recently on a 75N that had the new sidewalls but not new bulkheads or galley walls. Also the bathrooms are being reupholstered. All of this is in addition to recovering the seats into the Delta blue and putting down Delta carpeting. If you fly on one you'll notice the plane's inside is much brighter and more fresh looking.

Next step in the process is suppose to be new overheads and reconfiguration of the first class section for additional seats (22 to 28). I also believe passenger service units are suppose to be replaced but with the fuel prices, Delta is selectively paring projects across the fleet. These updates are to begin late this fall, if that hasn't changed.

Also...the 767-300 domestic fleet should be nearly ready for complete reconfiguration of first class to 30 seats.

And it may have been mentioned here previously but the 767-400's that go in for lie-flat seats (and are designated 76D) are also having an extra row of coach seats placed on the 2-sides in the aft cabin - taking coach seating up by 4 seats.

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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14902 times:

Which 757s is Delta planning on deploying on JFK-KEF (if they intend to use a particular configuration on that particular route)?

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
Which 757s is Delta planning on deploying on JFK-KEF (if they intend to use a particular configuration on that particular route)?

One of the ex-TWA 757-200s.


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14730 times:

Are there plans for the 75N's to get any IFE, either overhead monitors or PTV's?


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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

I'm flying DTW-TPA on DL in late May and the flight is supposed to be a 757. Is it going to be pretty random whether or not I get on one of the newer/more refurbished versions?


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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14438 times:

Quoting n7371f (Thread starter):
Next step in the process is suppose to be new overheads and reconfiguration of the first class section for additional seats (22 to 28). I also believe passenger service units are suppose to be replaced but with the fuel prices, Delta is selectively paring projects across the fleet. These updates are to begin late this fall, if that hasn't changed.

Also...the 767-300 domestic fleet should be nearly ready for complete reconfiguration of first class to 30 seats.

And it may have been mentioned here previously but the 767-400's that go in for lie-flat seats (and are designated 76D) are also having an extra row of coach seats placed on the 2-sides in the aft cabin - taking coach seating up by 4 seats.

How are they making room for these additional seats?

Also, any word on how the economy plus mods are coming along? Delta has been very quiet about this.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting n7371f (Thread starter):
Next step in the process is suppose to be new overheads and reconfiguration of the first class section for additional seats (22 to 28). I also believe passenger service units are suppose to be replaced but with the fuel prices, Delta is selectively paring projects across the fleet. These updates are to begin late this fall, if that hasn't changed

I hope DL installs new curved ceiling panels like on the 75X and 75E fleet. Those square panels that NW used to cover the holes for the removed TVs look cheap. Curved ceiling panels would make it seem like they were never there (after all, this was the reason for installing them on the 75X fleet). I hope that PTVs are eventually installed though.



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User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14354 times:

The 5500s are from the mid 80s. Why on earth are they refurbishing them? The should focus on the 5600s.


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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14244 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Thread starter):
Next step in the process is suppose to be new overheads and reconfiguration of the first class section for additional seats (22 to 28). I also believe passenger service units are suppose to be replaced but with the fuel prices, Delta is selectively paring projects across the fleet. These updates are to begin late this fall, if that hasn't changed.

28? I believe we're reconfiguring them to 26F as the standard for the 757 fleet On the 5500/5600(which a few of them are also 75N's), I believe the the the F cabin will extend into where the 2R exit row is, on 5600with the galley move aft of the 2R door is what I was told, no confirmation on that.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 5):
Also, any word on how the economy plus mods are coming along? Delta has been very quiet about this.

I just came in from AMS this afternoon to SEA, and our aircraft had the Econ Plus seats on it, ship 816 I think. Went from row 10 to row 15.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14174 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 8):

28? I believe we're reconfiguring them to 26F as the standard for the 757 fleet On the 5500/5600(which a few of them are also 75N's), I believe the the the F cabin will extend into where the 2R exit row is, on 5600with the galley move aft of the 2R door is what I was told, no confirmation on that.

All 757s in a domestic configuration are going to 28F, so all 757s are going to pick up at least 2 First Class seats.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
One of the ex-TWA 757-200s.

I was under the impression it was to be 75A's



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13907 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):

I was under the impression it was to be 75A's

Seatmap for 06Jul clearly shows a 75E with the exit row at Row 33.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13337 times:

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 7):
The 5500s are from the mid 80s.

As are most of the PMDL 757's, to be clear.  

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 7):
Why on earth are they refurbishing them?

It seems they plan to keep them for the foreseeable future.

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 7):
The should focus on the 5600s.

They've already done basic refurbishments on them.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13303 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 11):
Seatmap for 06Jul clearly shows a 75E with the exit row at Row 33.

Is Delta planning to consistently deploy the 75E to KEF, or is it likely to be a day-by-day change?

And forgive those of us that are uninformed - what, specifically, does the 75E configuration entail? Does it have PTVs/AVOD, etc.?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13254 times:

Why is DL being so quiet about installing IFE on these older 757s? It's pretty unclear at this point. Also the 319/320 are due for IFE installations as well.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):
Why is DL being so quiet about installing IFE on these older 757s? It's pretty unclear at this point. Also the 319/320 are due for IFE installations as well.

It's not unclear, they have not made any annoucement because they have not made a decision.
They've been studying it but there is not final determination out there on whether to install IFE on the A319/A320, or remainder of the 737 & 757 fleet.

First of all, DL is waiting until the next generation of IFE / PTVs become available, primarily due to the weight savings (impact on fuel).

Secondly, they are waiting to determine their longer term fleet requirements which relates to the outcome of the narrowbody replacement RFP.

Lastly, it comes down for the ability for DL to reinvest in the business. Right now this year and next they are focused on completely previously announced modifications to existing fleets, primarily all of the widebody mods, the MD-88, MD-90, and 757 First class expansion.

No announcement at this point means until there is an announcement they aren't going forward with any such project.


User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12854 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):

Well I guess I overreacted a bit seeing that these are pretty basic refurbishments. But I still think they should focus more on the 5600s. Those birds are 10-15 years old and have 20 in them while the 5500s only have 5-10. Despite being some of the younger 757s in the fleet, the 5600s fly transcon, transatlantic, and intrapacific routes with no IFE, ancient and crappy overheard bins, and seats that are thicker than Rosie O'Donnell. Everyday they wait on updating the 5600s is lost revenue. The 5500s however, only fly short routes and are going to be gone soon anyway. Anything more than this basic update on them is a waste of money IMO.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12460 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):

Is Delta planning to consistently deploy the 75E to KEF, or is it likely to be a day-by-day change?

And forgive those of us that are uninformed - what, specifically, does the 75E configuration entail? Does it have PTVs/AVOD, etc.?

Delta tends to keep the 75E and 75A (the PMNW trans-Atlantic 757) separated.

The 75E has AVOD/PTVs at each seat as well as wi-fi on board that will work for the hour or so closest to the US coastline. All 75Es have been reconfigured with Economy Comfort as well if you want to buy up to that (if you are not a high enough Delta elite).


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12433 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
It's not unclear, they have not made any annoucement because they have not made a decision.
They've been studying it but there is not final determination out there on whether to install IFE on the A319/A320, or remainder of the 737 & 757 fleet.

I just don't see the point in referbishing these older planes if they don't install IFE...?



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5306 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
I just don't see the point in referbishing these older planes if they don't install IFE...?

So they are clean-looking and pleasant instead of nasty and ratty.

Do you really pay no attention to anything around you other than a screen?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12015 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):

Do you really pay no attention to anything around you other than a screen?

Not saying it's NOT nice to look out the window, but I'm easily entertained by IFE if it's there and I'm sure as hell not the only one.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11898 times:
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Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
I was under the impression it was to be 75A's

So far for the summer schedule (from June onwards),

75E:
JFK-KEF
JFK-CPH
JFK-FRA
JFK-BRU
BOS-CDG
PHL-CDG
PIT-CDG
BOS-LHR (1x)

75A:
JFK-ARN
JFK-MAN
JFK-DUB
JFK-SNN
JFK-AGP
JFK-VLC
ATL-BSB

75E: ex-TW 752s with nose-to-tail AVOD PTVs and Wifi
75A: ex-NW with manual PTV sets in J and overhead monitors in Y


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1685 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11766 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
It's not unclear, they have not made any annoucement because they have not made a decision.
They've been studying it but there is not final determination out there on whether to install IFE on the A319/A320, or remainder of the 737 & 757 fleet.

It was assumed right away with the merger that the Airbus narrow bodies would get IFE. It was Richard who stated more than once that all mainline aircraft, sans the MD-80's, would get IFE. However, as this poster sort-of alludes to, there is some ambivalence towards the 320/319 fleet pending the next narrow body order.

There is no point in investing in the 320/319 if they will not be a backbone of the fleet going forward. People need to remember: the A320 fleet is quite old on average - and by the time the new order is placed the 319 fleet will be averaging over 10 years of age. The Airbus narrowbodies are getting long in the teeth.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
As are most of the PMDL 757's, to be clear.

The oldest 757 in the system is a Delta bird. Surprise! Delivered in Nov 84 - N602DL. In fact 603 and 604 are also older than the eldest NW bird - Feb 85 line number 53 N501US. The difference to the naked eye in many cases is Delta invested in newer interiors on its 757's while NWA did not.

And for the poster obsessed with the 5600 series 757's from Northwest...these are among the newest 757's in the combined fleet. Ship 5635 was delivered in November 95. And aircraft 5650 through 5657 were the very last off the production line: June 2001 through June 2002.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11591 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 22):
It was assumed right away with the merger that the Airbus narrow bodies would get IFE. It was Richard who stated more than once that all mainline aircraft, sans the MD-80's, would get IFE. However, as this poster sort-of alludes to, there is some ambivalence towards the 320/319 fleet pending the next narrow body order.

Correct, back in 2008 & 2009, Richard most famously said along the likes off, "All aircraft other than the DC-9 and MD-80 are going to get IFE." That was back when the fleet plans were a little different than they are today and fuel was cheaper.

Plus, DL has acknowledged how the A319 as it was, had a higher CASM, hence why they removed a row of F and replaced it with a row of Y. They've also said they are looking at further increasing capacity on the A319.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 22):
There is no point in investing in the 320/319 if they will not be a backbone of the fleet going forward. People need to remember: the A320 fleet is quite old on average - and by the time the new order is placed the 319 fleet will be averaging over 10 years of age. The Airbus narrowbodies are getting long in the teeth.

True the oldest batch of A320s are getting a little long in the teeth, but the same can't be said for the A319s which is in many cases are newer than the 738s The oldest A319 is from 1999 which a majority delivered in the past 6-10 years.

It is in the cards for the A319 and A320s to get new slim-line seats in the future. Right now mods for the A319/A320s just aren't on the short-term planning horizon for 2011 or 2012 - the MD88 & MD90 + widebody are getting the majority of mod work.

It is very likely that by 2013, the time will come for mod work to begin on the A319 & A320s that staying in the fleet for the next 5+ years. The first of the new narrowbodies are likely to begin arriving in 2013, which will likely include parking some of the oldest A320s.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 22):
The oldest 757 in the system is a Delta bird. Surprise! Delivered in Nov 84 - N602DL. In fact 603 and 604 are also older than the eldest NW bird - Feb 85 line number 53 N501US. The difference to the naked eye in many cases is Delta invested in newer interiors on its 757's while NWA did not.

Exactly, hence why appearances can be deceiving. People automatically assumed than the 5500s were the oldest 757s in the fleet because of their interiors. Hence why DL wants to at least standardize the interiors to get them out of the '80s feel. Hence why the average passenger doesn't know the DC-9s were 35-40 years old with new interiors.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 22):
And for the poster obsessed with the 5600 series 757's from Northwest...these are among the newest 757's in the combined fleet. Ship 5635 was delivered in November 95. And aircraft 5650 through 5657 were the very last off the production line: June 2001 through June 2002.

Yep, the 5600s were Delta-ized at the same time as the rest of the fleet. Remember that majority of the 5600s are in the 75A or the 75J configuration.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

As much as the 75N need cabin refurbishments, they really need more than a minor refreshing. Larger bins and AVOD would be really nice, but in truth the vast majority of the combined fleet's 757s could use that too. The 752s are looking pretty tired inside as well.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):
Why is DL being so quiet about installing IFE on these older 757s? It's pretty unclear at this point. Also the 319/320 are due for IFE installations as well.

I'm taking that as code for "it won't happen". The early 757s and majority of A320s are probably too old to make it worth the cost. 20+ year-old A320s and 25+ year-old 757s aren't your typical subjects for IFE installation.


25 FoxThree : I flew in one of the refurbished 75Ns (ex-NW 5500s) over the weekend, and thought it looked great. In fact, it wasn't until I stepped into the forward
26 ual777newpaint : I flew AMS-BOS on Sunday and the plane had economy plus.
27 Western727 : I seem to recall that the last 752 was delivered to Mandarin Airlines (or another Chinese carrier) and not NW...am I mistaken?
28 n7371f : No you're correct. I should've added "among the very last." Northwest took something like 5 to 7 of the last 10 among the -251 and -351.
29 Western727 : Ahh, gotcha. Yes, that's what I recall as well. The 757 in itself seems to have benefited quite a bit from the NW/DL merger...common engines, the ex-
30 TrijetsRMissed : The A319/320 are at the bottom of the list in terms priority for refurb spend. I wouldn't be surprised if the A320s never receive full refurbs, and c
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : That is a translation of what was said, it was never directly stated the that the A320s will be the next type to be completely phased out after the D
32 TrijetsRMissed : That's true. But let's analyze DL's situation and look at the facts. To me, the public statement is pretty clear. If you take the sheer fleet size, t
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : 41 of the A320s are older than 1993 (the entire MD-88 fleet is older than 1993) 28 of the A320s were delivered between 1997-2003 and are currently le
34 n7371f : Good points. Something else to remind people about is the operational lifespan of a Airbus vs Boeing narrow body. Not everyone on here will agree but
35 TrijetsRMissed : With respect, the only support you've added for the A320 are the 5+ frames for the younger fleet, which is academic. It is simple economies of scale
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : Ok so we won't agree but it comes down to a lot of factors that neither you or I fully know at this time. I agree a few good points above: - They are
37 TOMMY767 : Eh, true but there are some serious benefits in keeping 757s around compared to S80s. Interesting to note. The 320s are definitely up there in age bu
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : They are much younger but for the current missions, they have said they are not too crazy about the CASM of the a/c. It simply does not seat enough p
39 skymiler : I flew on ship 530 a couple of weeks ago and it was a disaster -- overhead reading lights INOP, etc, etc. Chatted with the captain afterward and he w
40 gigneil : That's ridiculous, I'm sorry. The MD-88 burns fuel at a huge rate. Its going to go. NS
41 SESGDL : DL clearly thinks differently, hence the companies further investments in both the cabin and technological modifications. Because many of the MD-88s
42 burnsie28 : Except that the airbus fleet is 25% larger than the 737 fleet. Also the average age between the 738 and 320 is only 5 years. I'll agree with the 757
43 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's you. DL feels otherwise as they have all the true data and you have little to none. Do you know how much they pay on the ones that ate leased.
44 laca773 : In regards to the A319/A320s, I feel DL needs to upgrade, modernize the Airbus narrowbody fleet. For example from LAX, the majority of the LAX-Florid
45 DLMD90 : Speaking of the MD88s what is the status of the new f/c galley mods and adding 2 seats to the f/c cabin, I have been on many MD88s recently and not o
46 TVNWZ : I'm one of the care-less set. I sleep on the LAXTPA redeye. Almost everyone else does too.
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : No solid numbers but they are getting them done. Quite a few have completed the mods actually. At this point it's pure luck to ride on one. The new F
48 DLMD90 : Good to know-thanks for the update! Any difference in pitch? Have you noticed a change in f/c meals on these modified birds, they now have ovens righ
49 FlyAA757 : Any update on N624AG?
50 KingAir200 : I suppose you don't have a source for that...[Edited 2011-04-28 17:01:44]
51 n7371f : At last check still sitting in Victorville.
52 timf : N624AG was moved to MZJ over a month ago.
53 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : It's all in good debate sir. Regardless, that's besides the point - the facts remain. It wouldn't be such a detriment to AA if not stuck in the sale
54 KingAir200 : Hey, that's fine. I just don't think they're as bad as you seem to suggest.
55 Transpac787 : Nor are we falling for your hilariously unfounded claims of which you provide no actual back up beyond nigh literally asking us to just take your wor
56 FlyASAGuy2005 : As far as I know, the new ones are able to do the hot sandwitched and the like but still no breakfast. Rumor is once the fleet is complete or at leas
57 Post contains links and images KGRB : Really??? I would argue the "old" cabin of the A319/A320 looks equally modern with the "new" Delta 737 cabin. And the pitch is a hell of a lot better
58 moman : I prefer the cabins of the A320 over the 738. As far as dated, I would never have guessed the A320s were more than 10 years old if I hadn't read it he
59 msp747 : I think it really depends on the A319/320 you get. If you are on one of the older birds, you are not going to find things a bit cramped. If you get a
60 MaverickM11 : Why is it "fanboyism"? NW offloaded quite a few Airbii in bankruptcy.
61 KGRB : Your point is? I highly doubt dispatch reliability had ANYTHING to do with NW choosing not to extend leases during its bankruptcy. Delta sold quite a
62 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yes, the lease-rejected aircraft they didn't need and sold off some aircraft. -They retired some DC-9s -They returned some older A320s to the leasing
63 MaverickM11 : Probably true. I think they were deemed high ownership and high unit cost.
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