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QF A380s On BNE-LAX?  
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Local LA papers are stating QF is set to start BNE-LAX with 380s in 2012...That's quite a big jump given they only nromally have 6 x weekly 744 flights...

This the artcile...

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-ad...edium=social&utm_campaign=facebook


Maybe it is a pre-emptive move for Strategic's plans for the USA??


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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
Maybe it is a pre-emptive move for Strategic's plans for the USA??

Definitely not, I doubt QF, or anyone for that matter, takes Strategics proposed flights to the US very seriously.

Until it is confirmed by QF that they will fly the A380 from BNE I would only take it a weak rumour.
While I would love to see the A380 on BNE-LAX, I doubt it will happen and if it does, it wont be until QF has all 20 A380's.
The only possible situation I see is they want to get the A380 to Brisbane before EK does. Maybe they will go 3x weekly A380 and 4 x 744.

Again though I doubt it will happen. Would love to be wrong!


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

I agree - if 380s will be used it would 3 x weekly....


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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

I can see the A380 on BNE-LAX but not on any of the current fleet with F class. When the 3 class birds arrive, it is a definite possibility.


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User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

A380 from DFW??? If the new route works I'd expect the 388 SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD next year -- assuming there is a 388 product without F and the new 2012 deliveries have lighter frame.

I know people say everyone wants to go via LAX, but in meetings with QF they are saying passengers want to avoid LAX unless going to West Coast of US. QF is going to be marketing DFW as THE place to connect to most of America.BUT as usual the comms are slow and uncompelling. Global PR giant WPP Group is also working with DFW to improve the proposition to AU travelers to transit via DFW. Glad DFW is getting off their a$$ and figuring out gas revenues from the Barnett Shale should not be their primary revenue stream and they need to attract more global airlines. (IAH, well done!)

In talking with analysts, they are saying the DFW link and tighter bonds with AA are one of the best decisions QF management have made recently (and they are not too generous in giving compliments to QF exec). The industry "gurus" seem to constantly cane them for missing the 77W -- one of the complaints I let go to the keeper as I agree :O

I had thought DFW was A380 ready but apparently not yet. As there have previously been no A380 suitors there has been no need. Although if KE keeps kicking goals at DFW maybe one day they will!


User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

With the lighter A380 frame I should think they'd be able to run the A380 SYD-DFW-SYD without the BNE stop. That being, if the route demands an A380. As a resident of AUS(tin) I hope the route works out for QF (and AA).


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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 5):
With the lighter A380 frame I should think they'd be able to run the A380 SYD-DFW-SYD without the BNE stop. That being, if the route demands an A380. As a resident of AUS(tin) I hope the route works out for QF (and AA).

I think so as well, I think the BNE stop will eventually disappear. I have no doubt the route will work, QF have clearly done there research since they dropped profitable SFO for a new destination. With the help of AA it will be a big money-maker for QF.


User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 5):
With the lighter A380 frame I should think they'd be able to run the A380 SYD-DFW-SYD without the BNE stop.

Yes, I think you are correct, that should be able to do it. Good point. Maybe then that route is a consideration pre-lighter frame. They are frustrated they cannot make DFW-SYD economically pre the "new" 380 or the 787.

Ironically Qantas has said (publicly, so not giving away any secrets here) that they have been looking at DFW for some time (actually six years as nonstop from SYD to DFW) but did not have the aircraft for the mission... yet they are using a frame that has been in the inventory for eight years to do it in 2011.

Also, the plan in 2001 was to look at a DFW flight via AKL in 2002, but 9-11 cancelled that plan.

I really want QF/AA to make a success of this route, and think it should be a winner. QF needs to be promoting the DFW flights better though, in terms of business fares. At the moment most of what I see is the discount Y fares. They need to pump the J class through the central US to the extent they can in order to cover the route costs. QF will always fill LAX in Y and J (except in rare circumstances).

The American flyers will welcome the QF service without having to go all the way to LAX to get it. And DFW Intl terminal is such a better place to arrive/depart/connect.


User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6888 times:
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I need to stop this chatter before it goes any further. There is NO rumour of BNE-LAX on the A380. That chatter was created by AusBT as a misinterpretation of my original report QF was POSSIBLY looking at another Oz-LAX route in the short-term (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wings-down-under/2011/04/qantas-to-start-third-a380-lax-route-next-year.html).

I pondered what the flight says about QF's future A380 fleeting plans, namely taking delivery of A380s with a lower premium seat count. I pointed out those lower premium seat A380s could be better suited for BNE-LAX than the existing high-premium A380s as the existing 747s have reduced premium seats (except for a/c swaps and the like).

AusBT took that to mean the route will originate from BNE. That is unfounded and out of context. I know no reason why BNE might be more favoured than SYD (opinions, that I didn't share, are another matter).

Let's stop this rumour of QF considering BNE-LAX on the A380 and instead contemplate IF QF does indeed follow through, where the flight might originate from.

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 4):
I know people say everyone wants to go via LAX, but in meetings with QF they are saying passengers want to avoid LAX unless going to West Coast of US.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4859 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
Local LA papers are stating QF is set to start BNE-LAX with 380s in 2012..

I certainly hope not! I prefer to see the A380 operate the SYD-BKK-LHR routes before they commence BNE-LAX utilizing the A380...
Hopefully AOT will come to their senses and realise dropping their fees will bring in more traffic which means more passengers which means people spending $$$ at the duty outlets...

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 6):
I have no doubt the route will work, QF have clearly done there research since they dropped profitable SFO for a new destination.

Apparently the route was dropped in favour of DFW due to the route not being profitable??? Find it hard to believe considering the flight leaves SYD nearly everyday FULL in across all classes...

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User currently offlinevhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6678 times:

As much as I'd like to big bertha on QF15/16 I doubt it will happen in the short-medium term future. As it is they can't quite pull of Daily 744. A380 would endure an frequency cut. I'd rather see Daily service even if it is 789 most days.

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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

Unless I am missing something, the original article - from the LA Daily Breeze - that this article is quoting/citing does not ever say that QF is looking at putting an A380 on LAX-BNE.

It says that QF is planning on "add[ing] a third A380 jetliner to its Los Angeles routes in 2012." To me, that probably is more likely to mean QF moving the second daily LAX flight to an A380 from a 747, not BNE.

Having 2x A380 to SYD, 1x A380 to MEL, 1x 747 to BNE, and 1x A330 to AKL is quite an impressive schedule.

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 4):
A380 from DFW??? If the new route works I'd expect the 388 SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD next year -- assuming there is a 388 product without F and the new 2012 deliveries have lighter frame.

As much as I expect that DFW-SYD route to be an enormous success - and I do - I don't think the market is mature enough, at least not yet, to sustain an aircraft as big as an A380. I think that is a bit too much capacity for now. In a few years, as the market develops - perhaps.

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 4):
I know people say everyone wants to go via LAX, but in meetings with QF they are saying passengers want to avoid LAX unless going to West Coast of US. QF is going to be marketing DFW as THE place to connect to most of America.BUT as usual the comms are slow and uncompelling. Global PR giant WPP Group is also working with DFW to improve the proposition to AU travelers to transit via DFW.

For a huge portion of the U.S., DFW will instantly become the most convenient place to connect to Australia - not only because it will offer 1-stop connections to dozens of markets that previously required a double-connection, but also because the pure connecting experience at DFW is far superior to LAX in several important respects.

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 4):
Glad DFW is getting off their a$$ and figuring out gas revenues from the Barnett Shale should not be their primary revenue stream and they need to attract more global airlines.

The Metroplex has never viewed "gas revenues" from the Barnett Shale as the "primary revenue stream" for the region - in fact, that revenue stream is rather new. The Metroplex has a diversified economy - and has going back to the 1980s - that derives a great deal of economic activity from energy (oil/gas/shale), finance/banking, aerospace, information technology, biomedical, etc.

As for DFW, the airport has been trying to attract more global airlines for years - this is hardly anything new.


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 3):
I can see the A380 on BNE-LAX but not on any of the current fleet with F class. When the 3 class birds arrive, it is a definite possibility.

Why not? they currently use the 4 class 744s on the route, often the 744ERs now!

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 10):
As much as I'd like to big bertha on QF15/16 I doubt it will happen in the short-medium term future. As it is they can't quite pull of Daily 744. A380 would endure an frequency cut. I'd rather see Daily service even if it is 789 most days.

The route could certainly work with the A380, loads are quite high...and certainly more then what a 789 could hold! The few times I've flown the route recently the flights have all been full, infact my last flight last week LAX-BNE the flight was oversold! they are having no trouble filling the 747s on the route!



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6072 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
As for DFW, the airport has been trying to attract more global airlines for years - this is hardly anything new.

DFW has had an up hill battle to get big name foreign airlines flying there since Houston has a whole Who's Who of airlines. IAH has Emirates, Qatar, Singapore Airlines and Air France who DFW would love to have. BA has more flights to Houston then DFW and Dallas is the hub for AA( AA carries more LHR traffic but still BA could have 2 DFW flights). Houston had more flights to Europe and has for decades long before Braniff discovered LGW from DFW in 1978.

Years ago DFW was about to get Swissair and AA protested as they were going to fly to Zurich from Dallas. Texas is a state with 2 huge cities often competiting for exotic airlines from lands 8000 miles away and Houston has won that contest except for Qantas who will soon fly to DFW.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
DFW has had an up hill battle to get big name foreign airlines flying there since Houston has a whole Who's Who of airlines. IAH has Emirates, Qatar, Singapore Airlines and Air France who DFW would love to have. BA has more flights to Houston then DFW and Dallas is the hub for AA( AA carries more LHR traffic but still BA could have 2 DFW flights). Houston had more flights to Europe and has for decades long before Braniff discovered LGW from DFW in 1978.

It's to be expected with Houston being a more international city - as driven by the fact that Houston is the center of the energy industry universe. That alone drives the international traffic to Houston that attracts more foreign air service. The Metroplex is a larger population center, but its business is relatively more domestic than Houston's, although the Metroplex's international standing is improving with time.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Years ago DFW was about to get Swissair and AA protested as they were going to fly to Zurich from Dallas.

I don't believe Swissair was ever going to fly to DFW. AA announced the DFW-ZRH flight all the way back in February 2000, just months after they even began codesharing with Swissair, as they needed to free up an ORD slot for their then-new ORD-FCO flight. That was long before AA and Swissair got really close, and thus AA would not have been in a position to "protest" such a move by Swissair.


User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
The Metroplex has never viewed "gas revenues" from the Barnett Shale as the "primary revenue stream" for the region - in fact, that revenue stream is rather new. The Metroplex has a diversified economy - and has going back to the 1980s - that derives a great deal of economic activity from energy (oil/gas/shale), finance/banking, aerospace, information technology, biomedical, etc.

As for DFW, the airport has been trying to attract more global airlines for years - this is hardly anything new.

Yes I know and am well aware of the North Texas economy... that was a bit tongue in cheek. It has been a joke in the industry that DFW airport makes more off their gas leases on their 17,000+ acre preserve than they do in landing fees. Probably not true, but has been the reason often given how the big airport can do fine with so many empty gates in the non-AA part of the domain.

True DFW has been trying to attract foreign carriers , but with limited success as IAH has been the dominant player in new carriers. Yes due to being 4th largest city and the energy capital... and AA defends its super hub very well. Most airline execs would consider trying to fight AA at home as being a waste of resources.

In all seriousness, the people who worked on the QF deal from AU side said DFW was a great management team to work with and were able to get the deal done and keep a lid on the secret until Qantas announced in Sydney during a Friday (local) lunch time media release. It even surprised all the oracles on AA.net!


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 15):
Yes due to being 4th largest city and the energy capital

One point to remember: Dallas-Fort Worth is actually a larger population center than Houston. However, yes, with Houston's business market having a more international composition relatively speaking - driven by the energy industry - it only makes sense that Houston will attract more international traffic.

However, that being said, I fully expect DFW to attract more international capacity in the near- to mid-term. I definitely expect at least one daily flight to the Mid East, and at least one additional flight to Asia - with a daily nonstop to Hong Kong making the most sense to me personally.


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