Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3 Posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
The proposed Fox TV plane crash special that has been often discussed on this board will not be using a 747. The producers have found a rare Convair 990 they want to buy and destroy. See the "Update - Blowing Up a 747 Live" thread for more details.
Charles802 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1595 times:
Convair 990s were great airplanes, and I have flown on them on both AA and AS. Yes, 990s didn't quite live up to their performance promises...yes they were a financial embarrassment. BUT, there are only 12 remaining in the world (as of 1995). There is just no way that FOX should be destroying a rare airplane. Unfortunately, money will most likely win out in a situation like this. Frankly, I can't imagine why anybody would want to watch an airplane crash...but I assume there is a limited market out there, along side the mud-wrestling crowd.
Dstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1593 times:
This is just vandalism. Perhaps they would like to paint it in logojet colours (Simpsons?) just so everybody would know just who is responsible for this tasteless exercise.
No doubt it will be must watch TV for all those who have lost family or friends in aviation accidents. Oh and it might be an idea to ensure that all the sick bags are off the plane and passed around among the audience.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1584 times:
I wish there were a practical way to protest this. It may seem a bit extreme, but from the standpoint of people who have lost friends, relatives or loved ones in plane crashes, I think it is in horribly bad taste to televise an airliner going down.
As far as it being a CV990, unfortunately, money WILL win in the end. If Mojave gets the $150,000 for the plane, then they will hand it over. I still don't understand why if they have to do this, it can't be some DC-9 or 727.
I think a massive letter-writing to FOX is in order. Anyone know how to contact them?
B777 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1584 times:
What I don't understand is why the destruction when the rare aircraft could be on display at a museum for those who appreciate it. Fox sure has bad judgement when it comes to trying to bring up ratings. I mean many who watch that sure probably won't know what type of plane it is.
Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
Il-96, the answer to your question is simple. No one in their right mind would allow several million dollars worth of 747 parts (or several hundred thousand worth of 727 or DC-9 parts) to go down in flames. There isn't exactly a huge worldwide demand for 880/990 parts. $150K for a four-engine jet is a steal. Unfortunately, it's at the expense of losing a piece of history.
I'll look around the net for e-mail or snail mail addresses for Fox and Mojave Airport. Back in a bit.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1565 times:
Like you I'm terrible disapointed that Fox is going to destroy this "maserati of the skies", but I feel that unfortunetly we can't do nothing, except like someone said write to then and feel our sadness, money rules and in this point I'm sure they will do it!!! But relax, we still have some CV990 still alive and they will stay forever, we have HB-ICC in Luzern, it is well preserved and we have also the NASA CV990 that I presume will go to a museum!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1556 times:
I am extremely disappointed in FOX. They are first of all destroying a rare aircraft, and they THINK they're trying to boost ratings. Personnally, I think ratings will drop because of this. Plus, Sunday night, everybody is watching the football game. Although destroying a plane is 100% wrong, if they REALLY wanted to, why not go out and buy a cheap Cessna? It is cheaper than 150K, but you get the same idea. However, there is the hope the FAA and/or the FCC (Federal Communications Center) reject this. It is wrong, and I'm going to write FOX for this.
Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
Something in our favor to keep in mind. If the FAA does approve the stunt, there are environmental groups who may seek a court order banning the crash. The Entertainment Tonight story where I first heard about the 990 stated that the Sierra Club and others are concerned about possible damage to desert plants and animals.
I'm not usually a big fan of the Sierra Club, but in this case, go get 'em!!
Markdc10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
I agree with everyone else here. But then what can you expect from the station that shows people throwing up and calls that entertainment? In my city, the Fox station is the biggest joke around. The nightly news puts you in mind of the old Mary Tyler Moore show with Ted Baxter. I agree with everyone else that its for ratings and nothing more. I wonder what idiot at Fox thought that one up?
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (16 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
As disturbed as I am that a rare aircraft would be destroyed on purpose, it would be easier to swallow if FOX would let the authorities have their way with it to study closely the mechanism of mid-air breakups resulting from catastrophic decompression, if that is how they intend to kill it. The NTSB and the FAA usually need dead bodies in order to study disaster and make improvements. This is a golden opportunity to do so without having the dead bodies first. The FAA should allow this on condition that FOX agrees to pay for all the sensors, cameras, and modications needed to get something valuable from this, aside from a spectacle. Then everybody wins. Except the Convair. But be honest. There is nobody on this forum that wouldn't watch it. You may not like it. You may grimace. But you'd watch it. How many times have we seen that footage of that B-720 crashed by remote on that runway to test the de-misting properties of gelled fuel? A zilllion times. Nobody complained because it had a scientific purpose. That is the fee that FOX should be forced to pay.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
TriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (16 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1526 times:
All in all, this may be a superfluent post, since all aviation enthusiasts probably feel the same way about this situation. Nevertheless, I would in my turn like to express my deepest disappointment in any such activity, undertaken merely for the viewing "pleasure" of the masses. Or at least the masses that Fox would like and hopes to reach with it.
Furthermore, a showing like this would further imprint the idea in people's minds as if air travel would be subject to high risk. I suppose it's the perfect illustration of how the media are constantly further exploring ways to shock people and to create a myth as well as install a deep feeling of insecurity in the public they claim they want to entertain.
"Entertain," indeed... If anyone -anyone at all- can clarify how a plane crash could ever be entertainment, I would be more than willing to hear that person out.
Then again, would I be...?