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One Of Those Days At JFK  
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

For the second time in 2 days, a stiff wind has blown cold ocean air over warm land and created 1/8 mile visibility.

Down to 22L and 22R for arrivals and departures, SWAP (severe wx avoidance procedures) in effect, extremely long lines for takeoff.

Expect Taxi Times (no gate hold procedures for JFK) are very long . . . should be a fun night for the international push

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

I was looking out the window at the hangar and was amazed at how...odd...the clouds looked. They were literally blowing in off of Jamaica bay at about 50ft AGL (some lower) right over the airport. I watched one go over a blast fence and the fog/low cloud (whatever you want to call this) made a slight vortex on the other side of the blast fence. I couldn't stop looking out the window for like 20 minutes, it is truly an odd sight to see right now.   

~H81



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3603 times:

Just as a follow-up, when I pulled in at work today (~10am), there was another looooooooooong line for departure (departing rwy 22R). Last night we had really nasy fog, some portions of my commute home were down to about 1/10 of a mile visibility or less, and the clouds were still hanging REALLY low this morning. Hopefully that storm system expected to move through on Thursday will get this soupy weather out of here!!!

~H81



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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

I was on AA951 (JFK-GRU) last night, and yes, we got late due to the fog.

Scheduled to depart at 21h40, we only left gate at around 10h35. Couldn't identify which runway we used, however we were number 15 on the line when we got to it. Ended up departing 23h20. While waiting at the lounge, noticed many other AA flights were delayed also, LHR, BCN, FCO, etc...



100 146 319/20/21 332 722 732/3/4/5/G/W/8/H/9 742/3/4 752/3 762/3 772/W BE2 BET E75 CNJ CR2 D10 F27 F50 ER4 LRJ M11 M80
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

...and once again visibility is dropping like a rock:

METAR text: KJFK 272151Z 18020G29KT 1/4SM R04R/2600V3500FT FG VV002 15/14 A2993 RMK AO2 PK WND 18030/2056 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP135 T01500139 $
Conditions at: KJFK (NYC/JFK ARPT , NY, US) observed 2151 UTC 27 April 2011
Temperature: 15.0°C (59°F)
Dewpoint: 13.9°C (57°F) [RH = 93%]
Pressure (altimeter): 29.93 inches Hg (1013.6 mb)
[Sea-level pressure: 1013.5 mb]
Winds: from the S (180 degrees) at 23 MPH (20 knots; 10.4 m/s)
gusting to 33 MPH (29 knots; 15.1 m/s)
Visibility: 0.25 miles (0.40 km)
Ceiling: indefinite ceiling with vertical visibility of 200 feet AGL
Clouds: obscured sky
Weather: FG (fog)

This is getting annoying   



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User currently offlinerunner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Hats off to all the controllers in the NY area. They do a hell of a job, and I still think that JFK ground control is probably the hardest and most complex in the world.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2427 times:

...another day starting out with the fog that never goes away. Aircraft were stacked up like firewood for departure. JFK METAR:

METAR text: KJFK 281551Z 18026G39KT 0SM R04R/2200V3500FT FG VV001 16/14 A2970 RMK AO2 PK WND 19039/1548 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP056 T01560144
Conditions at: KJFK (NYC/JFK ARPT , NY, US) observed 1551 UTC 28 April 2011
Temperature: 15.6°C (60°F)
Dewpoint: 14.4°C (58°F) [RH = 93%]
Pressure (altimeter): 29.70 inches Hg (1005.8 mb)
[Sea-level pressure: 1005.6 mb]
Winds: from the S (180 degrees) at 30 MPH (26 knots; 13.5 m/s)
gusting to 45 MPH (39 knots; 20.3 m/s)
Visibility: 0.00 miles (0.00 km)
Ceiling: indefinite ceiling with vertical visibility of 100 feet AGL
Clouds: obscured sky
Weather: FG (fog)


There is also a line of storms to the west, which doesn't help the situation until it passes and hopefully takes the fog with it!

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/Jamaica+NY+11430

Not a good situation this entire week   



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Why does JFK not use Gate Hold or metering procedures? To me this seems like it would help solve a lot of the Long On Board problems that led the Fed's to take action.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
Why does JFK not use Gate Hold or metering procedures? To me this seems like it would help solve a lot of the Long On Board problems that led the Fed's to take action.

They do.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):

They do.

Then why is the OP saying?

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
(no gate hold procedures for JFK)


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

He posted it on Tuesday when there was more-or-less just fog, today we have the storm hitting along with the fog. Gate holds are used at JFK to help minimize the taxi-out time.


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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

I had a gate hold of almost a hour and a half. Then we pushed to find out our next flight got diverted. Yeah, it was one of those days, especially on the ramp dealing with the weather. Had to tow two planes in due to visabitly and you know if you have to tow a plane in, its bad. 9 years on the ramp and never have I delt with the conditions of today. 30mph sustained wind with visabilty down to almost zero. Yeah, that bad. Two grounds stops with planes having go arounds like it was going out of style.


Giants football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Took this right before the front hit.


JFK T5



Giants football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 12):
Took this right before the front hit

I saw that out the window here at the hangar and was like "should I be getting everyone to huddle into a stairwell or something???" LOL!!! It was a small and fast moving storm, but it packed a heck of a punch!

But, on a happier note, visibility has increased by leaps and bounds since that thing moved through!!!   



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