flyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16392 times:
of particular note ...
Quote: Perhaps on the mind of aircraft spotters is what livery the potential new freighters will sport. They may have the same partial Qantas livery that the group's new 767 freighter sports. Chief executive Alan Joyce explained of the 767 freighter's livery: "Because it's a separate company, we decided just to have it as a white tail with the Qantas logo...we haven't had any freighters before painted in Qantas colours so we wanted to have something as a step towards Qantas but not going to the same passenger scheme."
TruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15951 times:
Air Freight to Australia is a bit of an untapped market, there are lots of destinations that can be served that arent already and Australia's long distance from anywhere deters sea travel as it takes a lot longer. I would love to see a fleet of 777F and 748F in the QF fleet.
tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1791 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15949 times:
Whilst this is a possibility I believe it would be a wet lease only from Atlas or similar. QF are unlikely to want to build up the infrastructure (spares/training/sims etc) for a completely new type for only a handful of frames.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 8599 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15811 times:
Why would they not be interested in the A330 freighter, they already operate the type so commonality exist.
They are removing their 747's from service and do not now operate the 777 so a whole sub-fleet and all the necessary infrastructure just for cargo?
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5886 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15507 times:
This means , I believe, that they will look to operate their own metal. Is it Atlas that they have a wet charter with at this time? What is their present route? I know Toledo OH is in the loop. Any thoughts on what their typical freight density is? The 777F is pretty impressive from China to MEM for FX.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 8599 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15497 times:
Quoting trex8 (Reply 9): Maybe they need something bigger or with longer legs??
Definately a possibility but the article indicates newer a/c not conversions, I take that to mean a long term commitment, in which case 747's will be gone, and A380's and A350's almost an entire Airbus fleet, the 787's are for their subsidiary carrier.
Quoting trex8 (Reply 9): You also 't can't get a GE powered A332F.
Won't be getting them on the A380 or A350s inbound to the fleet either, a/c using them are going bye bye.
They won't be replacing 747's one for one with A380's, they stated they are not interested in 777's or 748's, the 767's will also need replacing so ............unless they will poach 787's from their subsidiary?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33654 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15387 times:
Since Atlas Air already handles their 747 freighters via a wet lease, it makes sense they would be QF's choice for a 747-8F wet lease. But Atlas Air is a pure 747 operator, so would they also take on the 777F and A332F, or would QF wet lease them from someone else?
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 4000 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15092 times:
Guggenheim seem to have their fingers in a lot of pies as a 777F lessor so they may come from them, but I reckon Atlas 748Fs are more likely although that doesn't explain the talk of the livery. As far as I know the current 744Fs from Atlas are in Atlas' livery.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 6963 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15027 times:
Quoting par13del (Reply 15): They won't be replacing 747's one for one with A380's, they stated they are not interested in 777's or 748's, the 767's will also need replacing so ............unless they will poach 787's from their subsidiary?
I've always understood that -8's would be operated by QF and the -9's by JetStar (or vice-versa). In other words, I always understood that they would be operated by both.
There's enormous potential for the southern end of Tullamarine to become a tri-modal freight interchange: air, road and rail (as the national Standard Guage network runs not 2km from the airport). I remember reading 3-4 years ago about making Tullamarine the country's air freight hub - but there doesn't seem to be much being done to make that happen.
Planes can fly in at 1am, unload, go through customs and then be on a train to Adelaide or Sydney by 4am, arriving at the destination before COB that day.
blueflyer From Tuvalu, joined Jan 2006, 4780 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14462 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 16): Since Atlas Air already handles their 747 freighters via a wet lease, it makes sense they would be QF's choice for a 747-8F wet lease.
That would probably be their only option, as the other 748F customers either do dry leases or are cargo operators on their own. Then again perhaps someone like Cargolux might let itself be convinced to operate for Qantas.
Quoting RobK (Reply 18): As far as I know the current 744Fs from Atlas are in Atlas' livery.
One of them has a "operated for Qantas" sticker, but other than that, it is indeed a regular Atlas livery.
Quoting RobK (Reply 18): Guggenheim seem to have their fingers in a lot of pies as a 777F lessor so they may come from them
I thought Guggenheim had only three 777Fs on order, all of which already contracted out to TNT Airways. Besides, Qantas has a history of not operating freighter aircraft themselves, and Guggenheim does dry leases only that I know of. Southern Air Transport might be a more likely candidate, they already operate two aircraft for Thai Cargo. Omni has picked up two ex Air India birds that they could convert and turn into freighters as well.
When we unleash the dogs of war we must go where they take us
Quoting par13del (Reply 15): unless they will poach 787's from their subsidiary?
Don't know where the idea comes from that 'Qantas proper' will not operate 787s?
Sure, the first batch goes to Jetstar - because they have more long thin routes at the moment. But Qantas management has made their interest clear in owning up to 100 X 787s, equipping Qantas as well. In fact, as well as 50 firm orders, they have already taken 50 additional options/rights.
"Qantas has selected the Boeing 787 as the cornerstone of its domestic and international fleet renewal program. Under the fleet plan, the Qantas Group will acquire up to 100 Boeing 787 aircraft. The first 50 Boeing 787 Dreamliners are expected to be delivered in mid-2012.
"The Boeing 787 provides breakthrough technology, enabling Qantas to fly further to more point-to-point destinations throughout the world."
MileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14285 times:
Quoting winglets747 (Reply 11): The prime freight market for QF isn't to/from Australia but from China to the US, on which they have traffic rights.
Amazing but true. The 767s can do Australia to NZ and Asia and they do have an Atlas 74F that operates out of MEL and SYD regularly, but the big $$$ is taking technology freight from Asia to the US on QF tagged Atlas 74Fs.
: It is amazingly true, but they are 5th freedom rights, not 7th, so flights must orginate in Australia. Which suggests B748F operated by Atlas. Gemuse
: I have already heard from the mechanics that service Atlas on its non-military stops in HNL, that Atlas plans to fly the 747-8F to HNL. This means tha
: Yes I think that's a good bet and the most practical solution. Sure would be nice to see a 77F wearing a red tail though haha!
: Atlas have told AIAL that they will bringing the B748 though AKL. Gate (Bay) 83 (one of the cargo gates) is due to be widened to take code F aircraft.
: So would I... Finger's are crossed only hoping it will happen... Probably they realised the B777's in the end wasn't the workhorse they had been sear
: I agree, Atlas already have a similar deal in place for BA. Probably due to having enough 767 available for conversion when the 787s arrive. Can you
: It would probably be cheaper for QF to convert some of their B 744s into freighters or lease some B 744Fs rather than waste a lot of money leasing or