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Qantas To Sell 21 B737-400s  
User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

Not sure if this was captured in earlier posts but it looks like QF will offload 21 B737-400s according to a report in The Australian newspaper on 8 April 2011.

QF had made the announcement on 5 April where the carrier "announced it planned to sell 21 of its Boeing 737-400s next year".

source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...ctive/story-e6frg95x-1226035534007

I didn't think QF was receiving 21 replacement aircraft between now and then?

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User currently offlinevaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 15903 times:

Quoting MEA (Thread starter):
here the carrier "announced it planned to sell 21 of its Boeing 737-400s next year".

Interesting.. At least I've flown their 737-400!!
Does anybody know the average age of the 737-400 fleet?



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 15721 times:

According to http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Qantas-active-b737.htm they have 18 734s left in the main fleet. Built between 1993 and 1996. Jetconnect has 2 from 1992 and 1 stored since last month. Together that are the 21 being talked about.
Average age around 17 years then, a good age if they want to sell highcycled shorthaul-planes to someone else than the scrappers.


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 15150 times:

Call DirectAir in the USA.
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User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 15003 times:
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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 14922 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Average age around 17 years then, a good age if they want to sell highcycled shorthaul-planes to someone else than the scrappers.

As a sidenote, the first 737-400 and the first 747-400 were rolled out the same day -- January 26, 1988.


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

So any replacement to be expected? I expect a nice B737-800 order in Paris.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 14820 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 6):
So any replacement to be expected? I expect a nice B737-800 order in Paris.

They already has quite a few 737-800 on order


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 14820 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 6):
So any replacement to be expected? I expect a nice B737-800 order in Paris.

They already have a lot of orders in place for 738s



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 14633 times:

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 3):
Call DirectAir in the USA.
safe

safe, I was think along the same lines. Vision, Xtra, Skyking, since these guys fly for Direct Air. I would love to see Direct Air get its own planes. they could base some of them at KLAL from their new service.



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User currently offlineplanesavvy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

I was booked on a 737-400 a couple of weeks ago at BNE, but a 737-800 showed up at the gate. I wanted a piece of history, but missed out.

I thought that some of the classic 737s of Qantas ended up in South Africa for Kulula/Comair, but I think they too are going for 800s now.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 12551 times:

Quoting vhtje (Reply 4):
And goodbye to 'Kookaburra', my airliners.net namesake.

Guess I'll need to come up with a new airliners.net name now!

Don't worry, there will be a new one along soon. When I started out, vhtje was a B727 (and a mighty fine one too)  


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months ago) and read 12277 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 11):
Don't worry, there will be a new one along soon.

It would be fabulous for Qantas to honour the 'T-Jet' heritage of its profitable domestic arm by retaining the TJx regos. Sadly, I am not too optimistic (but remain completely happy to be proven wrong!).

I hope the 734s will still be around after my two year secondment to Long Haul. It is my favourite aircraft to work on (the international 763s coming a close second). The 734s just seem to have that bit more 'space' from a cabin crew perspective. I wonder what Qantas will do to replace them? Start a subsidiary to operate Bombardier C-Series aircraft (or the like)? The 73H is too big for some markets.

The aircraft is just at home operating MEL-PER-SYD rotations as it is doing CBR-SYD shuttles. Not to mention the extensive use of the fleet to DPS (from DRW and PER), NOU and Tasman flying. The final 3 class configuration was 8F 20J 101Y. These aircraft remind me of the more glamourous times in Australian aviation. Recently, Engineering started removing the old magazine stowages in the lockers above row 5. It's been a while since they were last used!


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months ago) and read 12122 times:

Good to see these old birds finally being sold off... Never understood the concept of having the B734/B73H operate along side each-other when the newer and much more advanced B73H is more than capable of filling in the gap... Also nice to see QF retire aircraft from their fleet while they are worth a few $$$...
These birds would be perfect for a low-cost start-up...?

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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7479 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11729 times:

If they have C6- registration check out UP, they need some jets to replace their 200's.
Govt. won't spit for new build a/c and yes they are looking at Q400 for the MIA runs, but that won't last long if history is any indication.
UP did go all Dash 8's for a few years and cargo / freight operators made a killing, we tend to travel a bit heavy.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 6):
So any replacement to be expected? I expect a nice B737-800 order in Paris.

Been hearing rumours of an order for another 12 or so 738s.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

They'll need extras.
If the 787s are further delayed and they retire this lot without enough new replacements
coming in time things could get very very tight... unless jetstar gets ramped up?


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

How many 738 do QF have on order? I was under the impression it was 33? Furthermore the just extended the lease on a few too? I have a very very vague recollection 6 are due this financial year and will be based in PER and 15 next financial year, however that could be completely wrong.

User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

My favorite 737 "classic" birds were the -400. I always thought these would make a great replacement for the MD-88's at G4. These are much more fuel effecient and have about the same capacity. I'm sure they'll get sold fast.

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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Jetconnect has 2 from 1992 and 1 stored since last month. Together that are the 21 being talked about.

Jetconnect? Pretty sure that Jetconnect is officially a "wet lease" so this can't be one of the A/C



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 19):
Jetconnect? Pretty sure that Jetconnect is officially a "wet lease" so this can't be one of the A/C

the original plan was that the zk- registered ones would return to domestic australian ops. I guess not, but i always thought it strange.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10971 times:

Well Airfleets shows 18 734's active. I guess an order for 18 738's is expected with about 12-15 options. Would be nice to see the 739ER ordered.

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10470 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 6):
So any replacement to be expected? I expect a nice B737-800 order in Paris.
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
Well Airfleets shows 18 734's active. I guess an order for 18 738's is expected with about 12-15 options.

QF already has, at least, 34 B738 delivered/on order.

From:http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/fleet-developments/global/en

"Qantas will receive delivery of 9 Next Generation B737-800 aircraft by the end of 2011, and another 19 in 2012 and 2013 ... By June 2013 Qantas will be operating 34 Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft"

These statements do not gell with the info on:
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...raft-seat-map-boeing-738/global/en

Which show QF already has 38 + 6 B737-800. VH-VXA-VXV, VH_VYA-VYL & VH-VZA-VZE, plus six on the ZK register for Jet Connect. If we add the 19 for 2012 & 2013 we get 63 by 2013 plus however many remain for this year. So presumably the replacements are already in the pipe line.

Quoting zeke (Reply 15):

Been hearing rumours of an order for another 12 or so 738s.

Would seem to fit, but may be not be as soon as Paris.

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

Quoting vhtje (Reply 4):
And goodbye to 'Kookaburra', my airliners.net namesake.

Guess I'll need to come up with a new airliners.net name now!

I flew on her yesterday! QF953 BNE-CBR
It was a new one for me: Kestrel and Heron seem to get the most of my attention.



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Guess some of those -400s will be stopping through HNL as they go to the mainland for new buyers or storage ...


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25 vhqpa : I never thought i'll say this but I'll miss the 734's I always found them more roomy and comfortable then their 73H fleet. Although this makes me wond
26 jetfuel : I was at the Boeing factory in 1992 when these planes were being built. Australian Airlines used to base engineering staff their to over see the const
27 Post contains images vhtje : Lucky you! Don't think I have been on her since the TN days myself
28 Jackbr : I like the older feel of the 734s, will be sad to see them go. The last time I flew on one it was scheduled as an -800 and I didn't pay any attention
29 LV : I wonder if Vision is taking a look at these planes.
30 Post contains images B6A322 : Call me crazy, but I had this idea. Suppose all of the members here at A.net chipped in and together all the users bought a 737-400. It could do trips
31 aerorobnz : people here have said the same for retirements of many of the classic aircraft types. Ones I can remember in the last 10 years... -L1011 -727 -741/2/
32 MCOflyer : I think Vision and Canadian North will be looking at them as QF has an excellent maintenance program and is known to maintain their a/c. Also, I have
33 The Coachman : For some reason, whenever I flew SYD-ADL and vv, I would often "cop" a 734. It is noisier than the 73H, has shorter stubbier wings and its business cl
34 ditzyboy : Standard is four cabin crew. We used to get five for short dinner flights (and six for the 73H) but we lost the extra on the 737 fleet. We still get
35 EK413 : I'm glad someone still recognises QF for their excellent maintenance program even though the media is ready to pounce the moment an incident occurs..
36 nascarnut : ZK-JTR currently sitting in AKL minus titales and kangaroo. Looks like she is part of a growing fleet sitting in AKL awaiting buyers. Air NZ 744 sitti
37 aerorobnz : 2 jumbos, JTR 734,NQC 732C and DHE 72F I think is still here I think.
38 GSTBA : Comair currently operate using 8 former QF 737-300's. They were delivered to Comair between 2003 and 2005 All 8 aircraft are currently in BA colours
39 nascarnut : ZK-SUJ is sitting outside hanger missing pieces from it. ZK-JTR is tucked under the 747's wing ZK-NQC currently on layover 71 VH-DHE departed NZ shor
40 Post contains images Shnoob940 : Lucky you, I have been trying to fly on Heron for years and have never had any luck
41 vhqpa : I always try to get the older ex TN frames I managed to score Brolga (2nd oldest) once although have had the misfortune of flying Maryborough (newest
42 na : That plane is pretty new, just 13 years old. Is it undergoing maintenance or for sale?
43 413X3 : It's not difficult to understand that you are paying a lot less money for a 734
44 aerorobnz : It will leave the fleet shortly to become a -BCF.
45 Post contains images smi0006 : How is the Australia Freight market holding up? Shame that we couldn't see some of these aircraft moved across to Australian Air Express... Actually s
46 EK413 : I understand the B734 is much cheaper than the B73H fleet, however wouldn't it more logical to streamline the fleet than have various types in the fl
47 MileHighOffice : Agree. I think both QF and Virgin Australia would benefit from the 739ER, as a number of routes would have been good 757 sectors but that time has pa
48 FlyboyOz : It's sad to see QF 737-400s leaving!
49 RyanairGuru : I was about to jump in and disagree with Jackbr on the basis that I've only ever had 5 FAs on the 734s, but given that I've only ever flown them to C
50 Jackbr : 5 on the 73H but flights such as NOU get 6 - as to what the 6th crew member does I've no idea. I'm not sure if the 73H gets an additional crew member
51 ditzyboy : We used to get the 6th FA on Tasman (and PER-DPS when that was around) too. The 6th FA allows for someone to stay in the galley during Economy tray d
52 ditzyboy : They will have the same seat (but wider) as the new domestic 332s. Row 1 and Row 4 (first row of Y) will have in-arm PTVs. Row 4 will have air bags i
53 Post contains images ZKNCL : Jetconnect does not do wet leases but sometimes uses QF crews as they are are franchise 100% owned branch of QF so there is 21 in total. NQC is not i
54 wedgetail737 : AS should pick up some of the QF 734's to allow some of the AS 73H's to be allocated to longer routes throughout the AS system. Ha ha ha! Yeah, right.
55 Post contains images BNE : I was on VH-TJE on Sunday evening MEL-BNE If you couldn't get row 4 then row 5 and row 6 on the 734 had decent leg room, on the 73H if you can't get
56 AADC10 : Who is likely to buy a 734? I cannot imagine any use except as a freighter and they would have to be really cheap to even make that work. Are they mor
57 ditzyboy : Jetconnect is a wholly owned subsidiary, but operates as it's own airline as far as the 737 Tasman operation is concerned. It holds a NZ AOC and cann
58 Post contains links vhtje : I doubt it, as QF seemed determined to wipe out the TN connection. On the QF website, TN's whole history is reduced to a mere six sentences. and even
59 zeke : I would see no reason why QF crews could not operate a Jetconnect flight, under the TTMRA it is very easy for NZ and Aus airlines to operate under re
60 ditzyboy : I agree. I was just referring what Qantas want to convey to staff and the public! Jetconnect has 'leased' a NZ-reg 734 to Qantas on two occasions and
61 eugegall : Anyone have any idea what these will be going for in £? Obviously there are certain factors. Engine hours? Airframe? Lets say average engine hours an
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