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Volaris To Start Service At SAN On July 15  
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5359 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

As surprising as it seemed to many A.netters at the time, on April 1 Y4 applied for authority to serve SAN from both GDL and MEX. (There was a thread here on A.net when that happened.) The DOT approved the application just 5 days later.

Last week it was noticed on Volaris’s route map (by our own SANMAN66!) that San Diego had been added, with routes to both GDL and MEX (not TLC), and a tag line stating that service is to begin on July 15 (“Subject to Governmental Approval”!) For those who are internet-challenged, here’s the link: http://www.volaris.com.mx/Destinos.aspx
Schedules are expected to be released soon, possibly (hopefully) this week.

SAN will (surprisingly again?) be only the 7th U.S. station added by Y4, joining LAX, OAK, SJC, MDW, LAS and FAT. (Fresno’s daily service to GDL just started in April.) SAN will become California’s 5th city served by Volaris.

A couple of facts to keep in mind relative to this move by Volaris: their large operation at TIJ’s Rodriguez Airport is only about 30 miles south (and across the US-Mexican border of course) from Lindbergh Field; and, SAN is currently the 11th largest WN station in terms of daily departures.

Some questions:
>How much of this decision by Volaris to come to SAN is due to the Y4-WN partnership, and how much is due to the huge Mexican market of San Diego County -- located between the US-Mexican border and the Orange County line -- that must currently use either LAX or TIJ in order to travel into Mexico? (Except for AS’s SAN-SJD service.)
>Will this action by Volaris get the attention of the AM route planners (?) and cause them to spring into action as they very recently did in Fresno? (Note: I reported several months ago that AM sought, and received, route authority last December for SAN-MEX, despite the fact that they pulled up stakes at Lindbergh Field and left just one year ago!)
>Will this exciting move (as far as those of us in San Diego are concerned anyway) snowball into additional routes from SAN into Mexico, by either U.S. or Mexican cx?

All I have left to say (for now) is: Viva Volaris!

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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

SAN is a good transfer city for WN flights from PHX and TUS that have huge Mexican populations. WN offers one-stop service to SAN from PDX and SEA which can also feed into these flights. Volaris is replacing Mexicana (of happy memory) as the choice for Mexicans to visit family and friends and hopefully increased business contacts between SAN and GUA/MEX.

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Excellent news for SAN!

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
As surprising as it seemed to many A.netters at the time, on April 1 Y4 applied for authority to serve SAN from both GDL and MEX. (There was a thread here on A.net when that happened.) The DOT approved the application just 5 days later.

Not all that surprising! LOL SAN has a huge market to Mexico. It used to be that everyone went across the border to TIJ, but now that it has become much more dangerous, I imagine more welcome the opportunity to fly out of SAN instead.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
San Diego had been added, with routes to both GDL and MEX (not TLC), and a tag line stating that service is to begin on July 15

Well, I don't know why it wouldn't get approved! Not surprising to see them continuing U.S.-MEX expansion either. I wonder if other new cities coming online could also see service not just to GDL but also MEX right off the bat.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
SAN will (surprisingly again?) be only the 7th U.S. station added by Y4, joining LAX, OAK, SJC, MDW, LAS and FAT.

I guess it is a little surprising in that SAN was added before SFO and SMF, which were both in that big batch they applied for a couple months ago. But, given the addition of service by UA/CO, AS, and AM in those markets (from GDL) I guess it probably makes more sense to go for SAN, which lacks competition right now.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
SAN will become California’s 5th city served by Volaris.

California seems like a gold mine for them. In addition to these SAN routes and OAK-MEX, I see they are starting LAX-Aguascalientes soon too. I bet by winter they'll start trying some California-Mexican resort routes to cater to American tourists.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
their large operation at TIJ’s Rodriguez Airport is only about 30 miles south (and across the US-Mexican border of course) from Lindbergh Field

This would be why SAN has never had much service into Mexico. Sadly, I think the surge in border violence has deterred so many people from crossing the border - even just to catch a flight - that SAN-Mexican ethnic markets are suddenly viable.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
SAN is currently the 11th largest WN station in terms of daily departures.

True, but I don't think SAN offers many unique WN connections that LAX and OAK don't. Volaris isn't all that close with WN yet and clearly has its own agenda, hence going into FAT rather than a major WN market like PHX.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
How much of this decision by Volaris to come to SAN is due to the Y4-WN partnership, and how much is due to the huge Mexican market of San Diego County -- located between the US-Mexican border and the Orange County line -- that must currently use either LAX or TIJ in order to travel into Mexico? (Except for AS’s SAN-SJD service.)

I believe I heard that Volaris is very interested in serving SNA once that FIS is completed there. By serving LAX/SNA/SAN they could blanket the Los Angeleigo metropolis just like the Bay Area with OAK/SFO/SJC. For obvious reasons I don't think AS gets too many Mexicans on its SAN-SJD flights  .

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
Will this action by Volaris get the attention of the AM route planners (?) and cause them to spring into action as they very recently did in Fresno? (Note: I reported several months ago that AM sought, and received, route authority last December for SAN-MEX, despite the fact that they pulled up stakes at Lindbergh Field and left just one year ago!)

Oh I'm sure AM will try and start the route one day sooner  .

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
Will this exciting move (as far as those of us in San Diego are concerned anyway) snowball into additional routes from SAN into Mexico, by either U.S. or Mexican cx?

Well, how has AS's new SAN-PVR been doing? I have to think they could try other SAN-Mexico routes if the answer is well. I can't imagine any other U.S. carrier being remotely interested in offering SAN-Mexico right now, though in the future I bet international-capable WN will want to. As for Mexican carriers, most of them serve the SAN market via TIJ. AM may jump back into SAN just as a competitive response - we'll see if they last.



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User currently offlinewhatusaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
>Will this action by Volaris get the attention of the AM route planners (?) and cause them to spring into action as they very recently did in Fresno?

For what it's worth, AM seems to be going better than Y4 in FAT, if one is to believe the on-line availability. AM was granted nonstop FAT-MEX, but will simply do one-stops for now.

As much as Y4 has a huge presence across the border, not everyone really enjoys the Otay Mesa crossing. I'd hope that AM and Y4 do battle in SAN as they are here at FAT. The amount of traffic they're generating is pretty amazing. I'd think that they'll pull traffic that would otherwise cross the border or head to LAX or ONT. It's a great win for SAN.


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Awesome news! As always, I miss this news when it breaks cuz of the stupid search function not working! As surfandsnow said, I think this service will have a chance to last because of the WN partnership and the probable reluctance of people to use TIJ with all the drug violence.

2011 seems like a good year for SAN so far!



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
rather than a major WN market like PHX.

I'm thinking the reason why Y4 hasn't went into PHX yet because US has many Mexican destinations
already covered out of PHX, and it would be tough competition for Y4.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Well, how has AS's new SAN-PVR been doing?

The SAN-PVR route was seasonal. It ended April,11th.There's no word yet on how the route did or if it will
be back next year,but they will be adding a second daily SAN-SJD flight soon.

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 3):
As much as Y4 has a huge presence across the border, not everyone really enjoys the Otay Mesa crossing

   agreed

[Edited 2011-05-01 18:08:19]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5359 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I guess it is a little surprising in that SAN was added before SFO and SMF, which were both in that big batch they applied for a couple months ago. But, given the addition of service by UA/CO, AS, and AM in those markets (from GDL) I guess it probably makes more sense to go for SAN, which lacks competition right now.

Y4 already serves OAK and SJC so no SFO is not too surprising. And yes, why fight AS and AM at other cities when one of the largest Hispanic markets sits here with practically no service to anywhere in Mexico, on anyone. The more I've thought about it, the more sensible SAN seems.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I don't think SAN offers many unique WN connections that LAX and OAK don't. Volaris isn't all that close with WN yet and clearly has its own agenda, hence going into FAT rather than a major WN market like PHX

Lindbergh offers nothing that can't be routed through LA or OAK except a smaller, perhaps more convenient connecting airport (expecially depending on exactly how close WN and Y4 end up at SAN). And depending on where in the US travelers are headed from Mexico, SAN/LAX connections might save over an hour of flying time over OAK...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I believe I heard that Volaris is very interested in serving SNA once that FIS is completed there.

   It's a natural for them.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
For obvious reasons I don't think AS gets too many Mexicans on its SAN-SJD flights

Remember that AM has never served the resorts from TJ so, before the days of Y4, Mexican travelers headed for, say, SJD, would have had to fly from LA or SD. Now of course, Y4 DOES provide such flights from TIJ.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Oh I'm sure AM will try and start the route one day sooner

Fresno all over again... Wouldn't be any surprise at all (especially with a 2.5 month lead time by Volaris.)

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Well, how has AS's new SAN-PVR been doing? I have to think they could try other SAN-Mexico routes if the answer is well. I can't imagine any other U.S. carrier being rem otely interested in offering SAN-Mexico right now, though in the future I bet international-capable WN will want to. As for Mexican carriers, most of them serve the SAN market via TIJ. AM may jump back into SAN just as a competitive response - we'll see if they last

I would love to know how AS to PVR did. I have asked but noone has said anything. You may or may not be aware that once the PVR flt ended (just a couple of weeks ago) AS left that a/c in SAN and it is now providing added freq btwn SAN and SJD (10 weekly flts now), and SAN-SEA. I would guess AS continues to be pretty happy with their SAN op's.

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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I bet by winter they'll start trying some California-Mexican resort routes to cater to American tourists.

Not if they're smart. Americans tend to avoid Mexican carriers like the plague, and Volaris won't change that. There is a good reason there is no Mexican flag carrier service between the U.S. and Mexican resort towns, sans AeroMexico's soon to restart MIACUN (and this market has a strong g VFR component, so it's an anomaly).



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
>How much of this decision by Volaris to come to SAN is due to the Y4-WN partnership, and how much is due to the huge Mexican market of San Diego County -- located between the US-Mexican border and the Orange County line -- that must currently use either LAX or TIJ in order to travel into Mexico? (Except for AS’s SAN-SJD service.)

The WN relationship is so impractical that I really don't think it's driving any decisions at Y4 until the connectivity becomes seamless--if ever. Plus Y4 has much bigger fish to fry in local markets than to bother with WN connections.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
>Will this exciting move (as far as those of us in San Diego are concerned anyway) snowball into additional routes from SAN into Mexico, by either U.S. or Mexican cx?

I understand crossing the border can be problematic, but you have to remember that the exact same service out of TIJ will be ~$90 cheaper due to fees and taxes charged out of SAN roundtrip. 99.9% of the time this is incentive enough to just go to TIJ. Plus going to TIJ from SAN is really no big deal; it's not like crossing a sparsely populated highway in NE Mexico; it's probably just as safe as driving to LAX.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Plus going to TIJ from SAN is really no big deal; it's not like crossing a sparsely populated highway in NE Mexico; it's probably just as safe as driving to LAX.

The government suggests avoiding nonessential travel to TJ right now:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5440.html

$90 more to fly out of Lindbergh doesn’t sound so bad…


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting C767P (Reply 9):
The government suggests avoiding nonessential travel to TJ right now:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5440.html

$90 more to fly out of Lindbergh doesn’t sound so bad…

If people are so worried about driving 10 minutes through some busy and (relatively) well guarded Tijuana roads, I'm not quite so sure they'll be comfortable venturing even further into Mexican territory.

However, 1-2 hours of border wait to get back to the US do indeed sound very scary and they are a given if you don't have a Sentri card. The additional taxes and fees for a transborder Mexico-US flight might indeed be worth it to avoid the very real hassle of the border crossing, at least until they build that razzle dazzle bridge they've been talking about.

I'm surprised with Volaris, I wish them the best of luck, I hope that they prove more consistent than AMX.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5359 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
Americans tend to avoid Mexican carriers like the plague, and Volaris won't change that.

Remember that San Diego (and the rest of So Cal) have a lot of Mexican citizens (or newly Americanized citizens) and I doubt that they have an aversion to Mexican cx. Also, AM flew SAN-SJD (along side AS) for years, with the service ending a year ago when AM pulled out of Lindbergh.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
The WN relationship is so impractical that I really don't think it's driving any decisions at Y4 until the connectivity becomes seamless--if ever. Plus Y4 has much bigger fish to fry in local markets than to bother with WN connections

   I agree that a WN-Y4 partnership (if there still is one) is NOT the driving force behind this move by Volaris. I truly believe that the status of any such arrangement right now is: if a WN flight happens to come in to a city where a Y4 flight is scheduled to fly to Mexico, then the pax can attempt to arrange a connection between the 2 flights. Period.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I understand crossing the border can be problematic, but you have to remember that the exact same service out of TIJ will be ~$90 cheaper due to fees and taxes charged out of SAN roundtrip. 99.9% of the time this is incentive enough to just go to TIJ. Plus going to TIJ from SAN is really no big deal; it's not like crossing a sparsely populated highway in NE Mexico; it's probably just as safe as driving to LAX

I don't agree with you there Maverick. I've lived in San Diego just about all of my life and was a travel agent here for over 30 years. A LOT of travelers here, especially Americans, simply WILL NOT cross the border and fly out of Rodriguez Airport for many reasons, despite a fare differential (since flying out of TIJ makes it a domestic flight.) And I think Volaris, who used to offer a shuttle bus from downtown San Diego to the TJ airport, learned this fact over the years and that is exactly why they decided to fly out of Lindbergh.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5359 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 10):
I wish [Volaris] the best of luck, I hope that they prove more consistent than AM.

I'll give you a great big AMEN on that wish, SR! I'm sure that's the key that will make or break this service; air travelers around here are pretty unsure about AM at Lindbergh. If Y4 can prove to be reliable as well as consistent with service and schedules, and can keep fares "reasonable", they should do very well in San Diego!

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5359 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Schedules appeared on Volaris' website last night: one daily A-320 r/t between SAN and MEX (daylight) and one daily A-319 GDL-SAN-GDL, also a daytime r/t. I couldn't be more pleased with the flight offerings -- no redeyes (probably due to our curfew.)

Best of luck to Volaris with these great new flights to So Cal! Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone!

Viva Volaris!!

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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Excellent! Two dailies to start, one of them on their largest capacity a/c. I wish them the best, I LOVE their livery!


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