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SAA Non-stop JNB-JFK  
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18116 times:
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The long awaited SAA non-stop service JNB-JFK started yesterday.

SA203 operates daily and departs JNB at 20:35, arriving at 06:40 the next morning. Flight time is 16:05 on a 346.

Source: SAA timetable

[Edited 2011-05-02 06:38:17 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18008 times:
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Now that's long! Are there any payload restrictions?

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17872 times:
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I'll ask my wife to find out tomorrow, today is a holiday here.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17615 times:

Any idea if this will continue through the southern Summer? As JNB being "hot and high", the "hot" element not so pronounced in their winter...

signol



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17594 times:
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would like to know MTOW from JNB for such a flight for teh A346.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4265 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17568 times:

It might work better if they depart JNB 2 hours later, say 22:35.
A few years ago I departed JNB in february after a hot a day and all the long haul flights, like LHR and FRA, were delayed from 20 to 23ish to wait for the evening coolness.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17043 times:
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Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Any idea if this will continue through the southern Summer?

Per Amadeus, it is loaded as non-stop throughout the South African summer. The only difference being the flight departing from JNB-JFK @ 21h35.


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User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

I just saw a water cannon salute for an inbound South African a340-600 coming in at JFK. Was it maybe for that?

It was around 08:45 am


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16853 times:
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
It might work better if they depart JNB 2 hours later, say 22:35.

I would guess the departure time is set for the early arrival time to provide better connections within the US.



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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16608 times:

Flight Aware shows the first flight (may/1st) departed JNB at 10:53pm (more than 2 hours late), and arrived JFK at 7:53am. However it states that it was operated by A343, not A346. Maybe flightaware error?

http://pt.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA203



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16240 times:

I'd also be curious to know if there will be any payload restrictions throughout the year.

http://travelworldnews.com/2011/04/2...ely-from-johannesburg-to-new-york/


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15090 times:

Nice to see another nonstop SA-USA connection. Though not a big market, we SA expats here will certainly be quite happy with this development.

I would imagine the early arrival time is to allow connections onto B6 and UA flights at JFK; most ex-SA intercontinental flights have morning arrivals for connection purposes.



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User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14802 times:

Just out of curiosity, wonder why is this flight just now becoming nonstop? They've had the A346 in the fleet for a while now. Seems like it would have been a priority to make it nonstop, especially with DL's ATL-JNB nonstop.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14691 times:

Quoting BRJ (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, wonder why is this flight just now becoming nonstop? They've had the A346 in the fleet for a while now. Seems like it would have been a priority to make it nonstop, especially with DL's ATL-JNB nonstop.

For a couple of reasons. Without competiton on the route they could make more money flying the one-stop route. They could also fly the A343 which is probably a better fir for this route, capacity wise. But now with DL flying non-stop they probably feel that they need to offer a similar option in order to remain competitive. Another reason is the southern Winter which allows for better takeoff performance out of JNB.


User currently offlinechopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13849 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 11):

I'm wondering if this route would have been better for connections were it to go to EWR instead of JFK? Especially given the Star Alliance's relatively smaller presence than One World and Sky Team (especially for domestic connections)? SA)">UA only flies to SFO and LAX out JFK. Then again, I suppose there might be some connectivity between SA and the West Coast and the PS service would serve that market nicely.

A bold move, hopefully it pays off!



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User currently offlineMileHighOffice From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12829 times:

How does DL manage loads westbound on the 77L? I thought any twin, even the LR, would be restricted out of JNB. CX has thrust bump on their 77Ws and still had hot/high performance issues. Heavier plane but shorter flight out of JNB with tailwinds.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12288 times:

Quoting MileHighOffice (Reply 15):
How does SA)">DL manage loads westbound on the 77L? I thought any twin, even the LR, would be restricted out of JNB.

The LR is restricted, but not as much as anyone expected. (As an example, go back and read my posts from before they started the service... I said it wouldn't work... ) Delta and Boeing took a number of measures with this service specifically in mind. The most notable was an increase in the 777's tire speed limit to 234 mph. They also got the thrust bump for their GE90s, and they leave late at night partly to avoid the heat in the summer.

I will be interested to hear how the A346 does on this service. It's a workhorse, and at an advantage because it's a quad, but 16+ hours flying out of JNB is a challenge for any aircraft. Given the surplus of A345s on the world market, I was sort of expecting SA to pick up a couple A345s for this service.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2253 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11750 times:

Quoting jj8080 (Reply 9):
Flight Aware shows the first flight (may/1st) departed JNB at 10:53pm (more than 2 hours late), and arrived JFK at 7:53am. However it states that it was operated by A343, not A346. Maybe flightaware error?

Most probably. Flightaware often makes mistakes on aircraft type. The A343 cannot operate JNB-JFK westbound profitably.

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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11639 times:

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 14):
'm wondering if this route would have been better for connections were it to go to EWR instead of JFK? Especially given the Star Alliance's relatively smaller presence than One World and Sky Team (especially for domestic connections)? SA)">UA only flies to SFO and LAX out JFK. Then again, I suppose there might be some connectivity between SA and the West Coast and the PS service would serve that market nicely.

SA has a codeshare agreement with B6 through JFK and IAD and markets a lot of connections through that, so JFK is still viable. While I could see an EWR arrangement working out, it would mean scrapping the rather lucrative B6 arrangement through JFK.



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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11431 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Given the surplus of A345s on the world market, I was sort of expecting SA to pick up a couple A345s for this service.

JJ will probably be returning their 2 ex-AC A345 next year. Will SA be interested?



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting Super Em (Reply 7):
I just saw a water cannon salute for an inbound South African a340-600 coming in at JFK. Was it maybe for that?

I wasn't there but I'd imagine so. They only do those salutes on special occasions and unless there's something else...
I think this route will be very popular.



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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Way to go SAA... But that's a reaaaaalllllyyyyy long flight!

Cheers!


User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Quoting jj8080 (Reply 9):
Flight Aware shows the first flight (may/1st) departed JNB at 10:53pm (more than 2 hours late), and arrived JFK at 7:53am. However it states that it was operated by A343, not A346. Maybe flightaware error?
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
Most probably. Flightaware often makes mistakes on aircraft type. The A343 cannot operate JNB-JFK westbound profitably.

Surprisingly that is not a mistake. I saw the SA 343 take off at JFK and thought it was strange that it wasn't the 346. I believe today it is the 346 although I wasn't able to see it.



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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 24):

Quoting jj8080 (Reply 9):
Flight Aware shows the first flight (may/1st) departed JNB at 10:53pm (more than 2 hours late), and arrived JFK at 7:53am. However it states that it was operated by A343, not A346. Maybe flightaware error?
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
Most probably. Flightaware often makes mistakes on aircraft type. The A343 cannot operate JNB-JFK westbound profitably.

Surprisingly that is not a mistake. I saw the SA 343 take off at JFK and thought it was strange that it wasn't the 346. I believe today it is the 346 although I wasn't able to see it.


Wow, JNB-JFK is LONG for a A343...



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User currently offlinea340andre From South Africa, joined Nov 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7281 times:
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Quoting jj8080 (Reply 9):

The non-stop on 1 May was operated by ZS-SNG which is indeed an A346 and the actual flying time was 14 hours and 59 minutes. This aircraft arrived back in JNB this morning after less than 14 hours flying.

Last night's flight (2 May) is still on-route from JNB to JFK and is operated by ZS-SNH - also an A346.


25 Andz : I have asked this question a couple of times to people in Flight Ops who would have a say in the matter and I was told the 345 is too expensive but w
26 Andz : Information from SAA weight and balance division: Payloads vary according to the en route wind experienced and are therefore subject to the season and
27 cv990coronado : Based on the SAA config of 42J 275Y then they would need to leave 36Y pax behind at worst. As the loads in J will be good I would imagine that's not a
28 JerseyFlyer : 14 -15 hours does not sound at all too long for an A346 - provided it is not restricted by "hot and high" as to the fuel load.
29 dennys : I do hope SAA Will ever get the two ex AC -A345s for this routes . It Would better suite SAA Network than JJ network flying SAO MXP , on which route t
30 AF022 : This is incredible to me. If a big customer wants something it can be done? Did DL's aircraft have to be modified for this, or were the numbers on a
31 seabosdca : My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the change involved improvements to the design and materials of the tires. And, yes, Boeing (or Airbu
32 LH422 : What I don't understand is this: How can DL fly JNB-ATL (8439 mi) nonstop using a 77L but ET has to do a stopover in FCO for its ADD-IAD route using t
33 seabosdca : Go to the Boeing Commercial Airplanes site and check out the 777 ACAPS. The altitude has a dramatic effect on allowable takeoff weight, which in turn
34 Post contains images airbazar : As well as the revenue potential. Even if ET could be doing non-stop with a weight penalty they would likely chose not to and instead opt for the 1-s
35 Post contains links SAABaby : Hey Check out this article w.r.t. a Trade Unions' reaction to the direct flights between JNB and JFK, and concerns raised regarding SAA's compliance i
36 jfk777 : What is the union's objection to a JNB to JFK nonstop when SAA has flown JFK to JNB nonstop for years ? Why would the union have an itch about northw
37 airbazar : It's in the article: "Mahlangu said that these flights exceeded the allowable period for safe operation of flights, known as the flight and duty peri
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