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AA's New 'beauty Contest'  
User currently offlineBNEFlyer From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15486 times:
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Hi all, just browsing my local online news paper here in Brisbane and found the following article about AA starting up a new contest called 'Face of your Base'. Did a search and couldn't find anything about it.

The President of the APFA said "This campaign just transported us back 50 years to the days of girdles, weight-checks and single, female-only stewardesses having to quit when they were married, pregnant or reached the ripe old age of 30," Glading wrote. She urged members to boycott the "ridiculous, insulting beauty contest."

From reading the article and the response from AA to the APFA it appears as though its just a harmless contest to find employees, male and female, who might want to be in some advertising and marketing. It's not mandatory and doesn't hurt anyone, so what's the big deal?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...beauty-contest-20110502-1e3sh.html

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User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15392 times:

LOL how funny. Arnt the mean age like 50 or something? Cougar contest perhaps  

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15236 times:
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Quoting BNEFlyer (Thread starter):

Sounds like a severe case of self consciousness if you ask me.


User currently offlineusa330300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15152 times:

Another shining example of the PC Police trying to dictate how we should all behave.

User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14986 times:

Quoting BNEFlyer (Thread starter):
The President of the APFA said "This campaign just transported us back 50 years to the days of girdles, weight-checks and single, female-only stewardesses having to quit when they were married, pregnant or reached the ripe old age of 30," Glading wrote. She urged members to boycott the "ridiculous, insulting beauty contest."

I think it's a great idea. Something like this could help build morale, gives a bit of fun to the workplace and enhances the company image.

AA's FA's may be old, but they are very flirtatious and friendly for the most part- every organization has bad eggs. The one thing that could be improved are the uniforms and at times their appearance. The uniform makes even the young hot FA's look a bit frumpy. (i'm not being sexist, just honest).

AA1818



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14739 times:

I'd rather see an F.A. beauty contest with Southwest girls. The most beautiful F.A. I saw in over 2000 flights was a WN girl on a MDW-DTW flight in the late 80's. Picture a 27-29 year old Rachel Hunter......now you got it.
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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14642 times:
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Quoting aa1818 (Reply 4):
The one thing that could be improved are the uniforms and at times their appearance.

  

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 5):
I'd rather see an F.A. beauty contest with Southwest girls.

The WN cabin crew uniforms are terrible.   


User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14578 times:

AA is an airline of Cougars. Their youngest FA can't be any younger than 30.

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14579 times:
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Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 7):
AA is an airline of Cougars.

Everytime I get on DFW Skylink there is a pack of cougars riding alongside me.      


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7614 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14272 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 8):
Everytime I get on DFW Skylink there is a pack of cougars riding alongside me.

Just fly DFW-NRT. Its like Gods Waiting Room in there with the FA's.  

Seriously, most AA's FA's are old. I can see where they would be insecure.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13812 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Just fly DFW-NRT. Its like Gods Waiting Room in there with the FA's

When I have talked with FA's before, any flights to Asia take minimum 30 years of service to successfully bid those routes.

As for the beauty contest, it is a voluntary thing meant to be fun. And what might be a huge shock to some of these complaining it harkens back to the days when you had to quit when 30, there are women of all ages that actually like this sort of thing


User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13464 times:

You guys don't get it. The job is about safety, not beauty. It's an older workforce with an average age of 52 and there is no flight attendant under 30 years old. They have begun remphasizing the need to wear the uniform the way it's supposed to be worn---and that's something i don't have a problem with. They have been way too lax with that for way too long. What I do have a problem with is this "Miss America" format-----and from the responses above---that's all fun and games to you guys. If they are going to do this, then they had better also check to see that that flight attendant has a great work background and excellent attendance record. It is something that would be better left to just hiring models. Perhaps we are the only ones that can understand that, in the age of economic uncertainty, large wage cuts, continuing huge losses, and Arpey and the rest of the top brass taking their bonuses again, this ain't exactly "fun" to us right now.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13464 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 10):
When I have talked with FA's before, any flights to Asia take minimum 30 years of service to successfully bid those routes.

Correct.

AA flight attendants here on A.net would know far more than me, but from what I have seen, IDF (DFW International) and LAX-I (LAX International) are generally AA's two most senior flight attendant bases. If I'm not mistaken, the #1 flight attendant on the system seniority list (if she hasn't retired) is based at LAX-I, with the majority of the top 10 coming from either there or IDF, with I think maybe an IOR (ORD International) in there as well - but not sure. As I said, an AA flight attendant would know.

In order to hold a line out DFW, for example, on a prime longhaul route like NRT requires a minimum of 30 years seniority, with the only exception being LOD speakers - if you speak Japanese, for example, you can hold NRT with far less seniority. I know one flight attendant who is quite young but can frequently hold DFW-NRT because she is a Japanese speaker. From what my flight attendant friends tell me, other IDF trips that go quite senior are LHR and FRA, although not sure if FRA has become less senior with the switch to the 767.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13309 times:

I've seen some sexy AA Flight Attendants out of MIA and JFK.


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Doesn't AA have some new-hire Asian flight attendants that were hired specifically for the LAX-PVG route? If so, I trust that some of them are likely under the age of 30. Perhaps they can be AA's poster stews for LAX-I.


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4987 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
Sounds like a severe case of self consciousness if you ask me.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
I can see where they would be insecure.

That's it exactly. The loudest complainers, are the most insecure.

"Beauty" has nothing to do with age.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 11):
You guys don't get it. The job is about safety, not beauty.

Just as firefighters are all about safety too ... and yet, every year, hundreds of calendars are published.

It's really just all about fun.



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 11):
It is something that would be better left to just hiring models.

If they did that, wouldn't we quickly see complaints about AA advertising a false image of FA's? They're asking their own base to provide examples of impeccable grooming standards for a marketing shoot, it hardly sounds like they're asking people to pose in a bikini for people to ogle at.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 11):
Perhaps we are the only ones that can understand that, in the age of economic uncertainty, large wage cuts, continuing huge losses, and Arpey and the rest of the top brass taking their bonuses again, this ain't exactly "fun" to us right now.

It's probably less to do with the contest itself than it does with this. The contest itself seems harmless enough and doesn't sound like a reason to make such a big fuss. They ask for people to model the new uniform pieces, that's all.


User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11802 times:

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 13):
I've seen some sexy AA Flight Attendants out of MIA and JFK.

Me too when I was in MIA too,

I wonder if the 30 year thing goes for Latin America flights? I am sure some younger hot latina ladies work those flights since they speak spanish?



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10950 times:
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Quoting malaysia (Reply 17):
Me too when I was in MIA too,

I wonder if the 30 year thing goes for Latin America flights? I am sure some younger hot latina ladies work those flights since they speak spanish?

Remember AA has South American FA's that are based in South America and only work the flights to and from MIA no other base in the United States can they work to/from. Also the South American FA's and the ones from the USA do not mix and fly together.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10915 times:
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Quoting jamake1 (Reply 14):
Doesn't AA have some new-hire Asian flight attendants that were hired specifically for the LAX-PVG route? If so, I trust that some of them are likely under the age of 30. Perhaps they can be AA's poster stews for LAX-I.

Indeed they do. Also, the FA at DFW that are LOD speakers are quite younger than average. Specifically the gate agents and crew members on the DFW-FRA flight. When I flew last year they were early 30's with gorgeous German accents.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 15):
The loudest complainers, are the most insecure.

I was on LHR-LAX and the head FA was whining to the Captain to let her non rev husband sit in one of the crew rest seats for the pilots. She whined for 10 solid minutes in the F class galley before the Captain booted the husband off the flight.


User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

As a frequent business customer, I can assure you that AA has some extremely professional flight attendants. As a group, they continue to do an excellent job despite adverse industry conditions and generally poor standards of passenger behavior.

There are a few notable exceptions, but the overall standard of professional performance at AA is very high.

Personally, I like to see some gray hair in the cockpit. And similarly, as a multi-million mile airline flyer, I far prefer the more senior flight attendants. They're seasoned and do their job efficiently. On international trips, especially, they know exactly when to be near and when to leave you in peace. And I have total confidence in their ability to keep me safe.

And contrary to being "jaded", often, the senior crews know how to add class and sophistication in ways that younger, more inexperienced crews don't yet understand.


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

Its amazing how uniform standards around the industry have become so lax, that people get away with anything now. Im amazed at the people I work with, while at the counter, or gate, are wearing a Class-A (Dress or Shirt/Tie), and tennis shoes. Whats up with that?! But im not the assistant manager anymore, so I cant say anything, even if had dared to do so in the first place. CO did have standards, but has not bothered for a year to pursue, any kind of audit. I did argue for at least allowing the men to not wear a tie in the summer here in south Texas. But, anything goes. Same thing in many other cities across the CO system. I saw Class-As and Tennies in IAH/ABQ and SLC. Sad, and sloppy.
JD CRPXE

P.S. And im not talking color coordinated tennies. Im talking, the latest hip shoes, or even plain white ones. Tacky, very Tacky.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Quoting n9801f (Reply 20):
As a frequent business customer, I can assure you that AA has some extremely professional flight attendants. As a group, they continue to do an excellent job despite adverse industry conditions and generally poor standards of passenger behavior.

There are a few notable exceptions, but the overall standard of professional performance at AA is very high.

Personally, I like to see some gray hair in the cockpit. And similarly, as a multi-million mile airline flyer, I far prefer the more senior flight attendants. They're seasoned and do their job efficiently. On international trips, especially, they know exactly when to be near and when to leave you in peace. And I have total confidence in their ability to keep me safe.

And contrary to being "jaded", often, the senior crews know how to add class and sophistication in ways that younger, more inexperienced crews don't yet understand.

  

I generally agree. As a group, overall, AA's flight attendants are not bad but, of course, with any group that larger (20,000+), there will always be some good and some not-so-good.

The same goes for age, experience and seniority - it's a double-edged sword. Many experienced AA flight attendants are the epitome of class and professionalism, and remember what "service" really means and have tried (sometimes in spite of stupid company cutbacks) to maintain a certain standard to the customer. On the other hand, there are plenty of senior AA flight attendants who should have retired a long time ago, and who now are staying on and working only a few turns a month just to keep their benefits, but have a horrific attitude, a total lack of class and/or personal grooming standards, and treat customers like crap because of their bitterness.

I am based out of DFW, and fly AA a lot, and as such I have come in contact with a lot of AA flight attendants - both domestic and international. As I often say, both my absolute best, and absolute worst, flight attendant experiences I have ever had - on any airline out of dozens I've flown - were both on AA, and incidentally both IDF. The best was an exceptional 35-year veteran flight attendant who is respected by many of his peers and is continually held up - by the company and colleagues - as a model of what a flight attendant should be. The other was so comically horrific and unprofessional (she did some truly shocking stuff) that even other flight attendants tried to avoid working flights with her as the Purser.

Again, it's a double-edged sword, like so many things in life.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 4):
AA's FA's may be old, but they are very flirtatious and friendly for the most part

Yep. In my million+ miles I've flown with them, I've encountered - for the most part - very friendly FAs on AA.


User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

Quoting n9801f (Reply 20):

As a frequent business customer, I can assure you that AA has some extremely professional flight attendants. As a group, they continue to do an excellent job despite adverse industry conditions and generally poor standards of passenger behavior.

There are a few notable exceptions, but the overall standard of professional performance at AA is very high.

Personally, I like to see some gray hair in the cockpit. And similarly, as a multi-million mile airline flyer, I far prefer the more senior flight attendants. They're seasoned and do their job efficiently. On international trips, especially, they know exactly when to be near and when to leave you in peace. And I have total confidence in their ability to keep me safe.

And contrary to being "jaded", often, the senior crews know how to add class and sophistication in ways that younger, more inexperienced crews don't yet understand.


Thank you. This is a gracious (and accurate) observation in a thread that has for the most part been punctuated by a good number of rather shallow and rhetorical generalizations which serve only to show how immature so many of the persons are who post here and how little respect they have for some of the best and hardest-working front-line employees working in an industry of which they consider themselves to be such experts. Sometimes the arrogance here is just shocking.


25 aajfksjubklyn : As a two million miler + & EP with American, I can't agree with you more. Excellent, perfectly stated! Can someone at another airline say they st
26 Osiris30 : K, I have to jump in here... as a photographer as well as an aviation geek and professional nerd I really want to call this statement out. It's state
27 Post contains images goblin211 : Having flown AA recently, I must agree with the whole cougar thing. I haven't seen a single fa who was younger than 30, maybe older. Superb campaign,
28 united319 : It takes approx 40 yrs seniority to hold SYD trips at UA. And that is only their 6 day trips, the 5 day trips are even higher. Yes this job is techni
29 BWIA 772 : When it comes to service from AA my expectations are usually set very low. As a rule I find AA service to be a bit rude and uncaring. However on the o
30 Post contains links ha763 : According to the article, AA has new uniform pieces and wants to promote it to its employees. This promotion was thought up by a team made of flight a
31 TomFoolery : So what are the safety related functions that flight attendants perform? How about during an extraordinary situation? -in flight accident which requi
32 Post contains images aerorobnz : I would query what is wrong with that. 1) Cougars are great fun 2) Liz Hurley is 45. 3) Salma Hayek is 44. Oh and Cabn safety is important too..
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