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Qatar Airways Looking For Daily Flights To Canada  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11844 times:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar...canada-despite-uae-row-397913.html

Yes, the article states Qatar Airways will lobby for a daily flight to Canada.

Since this issue has been discussed to death, please skip the free oil, Human rights violation, prove O-D ME carriers should stay away from the west etc etc. and see is there any way QR can get daily access to YUL? We all know YYZ is protected, but is YUL being protected too? Given QR's proximity with Star Alliance, can there be a case where AC and QR can come to a common ground?


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Given QR's proximity with Star Alliance, can there be a case where AC and QR can come to a common ground?

I think there is a possibility of having daily flights to Montreal. The relationship between the State of Qatar and Canada is booming, with an embassy opening soon in a prime location in the Downtown area. I think its only a matter of time.



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User currently offlinesabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Canada only bases its decision on the O&D traffic flows really.

If QR can show that there are hundreds of canadians going to DOH (and only DOH, not beyond), they may stand a chance, however I doubt there's enough business to justify a daily flight on that ground alone, so I very much doubt QR will be allowed daily flights to YUL or any other place in Canada.

QR can try, but they will likely fail, just as EK has failed.


User currently offlineryanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

While I do at times not agree with Canada's way of doing business, when one digs deeper into the mindset of where they are coming from - they do what they have to to survive. Canada isn't exactly at the crossroads of the world where the people come to and goes elsewhere (although one can argue they are the gateway into US). Therefore the benefits would have to be reciprocal for both sides, so if it ain't O&D they aren't budging. You can't give your house away and end up losing all your possessions.

So good luck to QR for trying. Very interested to see what the end results are.



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User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11394 times:

I'd think it would be more a matter of Canada benefiting from a link to Qatar than visa versa. Qatar is, by some estimations, the wealthiest country on the planet.

User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 11221 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 4):
I'd think it would be more a matter of Canada benefiting from a link to Qatar than visa versa. Qatar is, by some estimations, the wealthiest country on the planet.

Nail on the head with that one, the money doesn't sit in the UAE anymore that's something that is well known. Qatar controls some of the largest natural gas deposits in the world; much of which is feeding directly into European homes everyday. I wouldn't doubt that a relationship with Qatar is important for Canada (and vice versa) so that things like exploration and drilling technologies can be shared. I'm not 100% on this statement but I also wouldn't doubt that the state of Qatar has taken notes on what not to do when trying to obtain landing rights into Canada. They probably have a better grasp of the overall situation and understand the importance of building a relationship first and then asking for landing rights second. My bet is that TK & QR will be the two that make the biggest inroads into the Canadian market.


User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
e all know YYZ is protected

Do we now   Care to explain that whopper?

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
YUL being protected too?

At a federal level all access is graduated and broadened over time. You want to start flying to Sudbury? Go for it but you're only going to get 3x weekly YSB-DOH to start...

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Given QR's proximity with Star Alliance, can there be a case where AC and QR can come to a common ground?

That is a definite plus and I think the most interesting wrinkle in QR's play for Canada vs EK's. That said proximity may not be enough. We've seen how quickly carriers can get in and out of bed with one another so it guarantees nothing but certainly doesn't hurt.

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 2):
QR can try, but they will likely fail, just as EK has failed.

I think QR will learn from EK's mistakes. There is a "Canadian" way to do things and throwing your toys on the global stage and making specious promises of economic growth and waving the emir's check book clearly isn't it...

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 4):
I'd think it would be more a matter of Canada benefiting from a link to Qatar than visa versa. Qatar is, by some estimations, the wealthiest country on the planet.

It's called a bi-lateral for a reason. It must be mutually beneficial...

YOWza



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2922 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Quoting Baker : "I think once there is a new government in Canada that they will look at it in a more favourable and more business-like atmosphere.”

Newsflash: The same government just got re-elected with a majority.



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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

Another point to note is that Baker is looking for daily rights to four canadian cities, not just YUL - very much along the lines of EK.

“We already have rights to fly to four cities in Canada but with only three frequencies a week so quite normally we would like at least a daily frequency to all of these four destinations.”

And somehow I don't see this happening. Maybe daily to YUL... maybe.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10954 times:

Quoting ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
although one can argue they are the gateway into US).

One might try, but that would be a short argument. From where? For whom? Canada and Canadians?? I cannot think of many (any really) places that are better served from Canada than they are to the US.

The Canadians have to be mindful that they don't stir the pot even more with the Emirati carriers who serve the same function as Qatar.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2922 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 9):
The Canadians have to be mindful that they don't stir the pot

I don't think Canadians are stirring anything - the comment was made by a poster from Singapore.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10867 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 10):
I don't think Canadians are stirring anything - the comment was made by a poster from Singapore.

I meant by giving QR daily rights  .


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10847 times:

I was just checking the fares to India for Dec 2011 and they are absolutely atrocious!! Even accounting for the current high oil prices, the fares are way too high......this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options......we certainly need more competition and capacity on these routes, I would think.....those fares need to come down and come down drastically.....

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17282 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 2):
If QR can show that there are hundreds of canadians going to DOH (and only DOH, not beyond), they may stand a chance,

I can count the market size on one hand, while giving someone the thumbs up. What's option #2  ?

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
I was just checking the fares to India for Dec 2011 and they are absolutely atrocious!! Even accounting for the current high oil prices, the fares are way too high......this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options......

What's reasonable? Fares start around $1150 rt.



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2922 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10773 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
What's reasonable? Fares start around $1150 rt.

  

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options.

What's the evidence of limited capacity?



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 8):
Another point to note is that Baker is looking for daily rights to four canadian cities, not just YUL - very much along the lines of EK.

Assuming the 4 cities are YUL, YYZ, YVR, and YYC. Am I wrong? Even as a YYC'er I really doubt we could see service like this anytime soon.


User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
fares to India for Dec 2011

That explains everything. It doesn't matter how many seats are available, you will be paying a hefty premium.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

Quoting ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
So good luck to QR for trying. Very interested to see what the end results are.
Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 5):
I'm not 100% on this statement but I also wouldn't doubt that the state of Qatar has taken notes on what not to do when trying to obtain landing rights into Canada.

Just keep the CSeries order in mind w.r.t. to this request and the fact that the Paris Air Show is rapidly getting closer. BBD and the government would like to make a splashy announcement there.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4810 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10474 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
BBD and the government would like to make a splashy announcement there.

The new Government is certainly not beholden to BBD and Quebec unless they are involved in loan guarantee's . They owe Quebec nothing. They could easily tell P&WC and BBD to move out of Quebec and consolidate at YZD if they want more federal largesse.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
I was just checking the fares to India for Dec 2011 and they are absolutely atrocious!! Even accounting for the current high oil prices, the fares are way too high......this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options......

What's reasonable? Fares start around $1150 rt.

Reasonable is around $1500.....currently, Dec fares are showing at around $2000......

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options.

What's the evidence of limited capacity?
Quoting golfradio (Reply 16):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
fares to India for Dec 2011

That explains everything. It doesn't matter how many seats are available, you will be paying a hefty premium.

As a passenger, I'm not interested in providing evidence about limited capacity......all I want to see is more competition, because more competition = more capacity = lower fares


User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
May 5 2011 13:07:21 your local time (3 hours 30 minutes 34 secs ago) and read 388 times:

I was just checking the fares to India for Dec 2011 and they are absolutely atrocious!! Even accounting for the current high oil prices, the fares are way too high......this should be, to a great extent, due to the limited capacity available on the YYZ to India options......we certainly need more competition and capacity on these routes, I would think.....those fares need to come down and come down drastically.....


That's the time of year airlines make money flying to India. It's not a capacity issue - it's peak demand. There are dozens of flight combinations to get you to India in December. It's seasonal pricing. After all, are EK and EY charging bargain fares between Canada and India in December?


User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):

Just keep the CSeries order in mind w.r.t. to this request and the fact that the Paris Air Show is rapidly getting closer. BBD and the government would like to make a splashy announcement there.

Yep, and Rob Ford has his hand out for federal money to build his subway to Scarborough Town Centre which will use Bombardier subway cars like the rest of the Toronto subway systems. In fact, all types of mass transit in Toronto except the bus is made by Bombardier, much of it in Ontario and Quebec.


User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 18):

The new Government is certainly not beholden to BBD and Quebec unless they are involved in loan guarantee's . They owe Quebec nothing. They could easily tell P&WC and BBD to move out of Quebec and consolidate at YZD if they want more federal largesse.

Pratt Canada makes mainly turboprop engines, and to my knowledge, the big Gulf airlines don't buy turboprops. Air Canada does, or at least its regional affiliates do on its behalf. Bombardier makes regional jets, and Air Canada is one of its largest customers. And Bombardier sells billions of dollars worth of rail and mass transit equipment to Quebec and Ontario. It's not about Quebec. BBD makes Toronto subway cars in Thunder Bay.


User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 19):

As a passenger, I'm not interested in providing evidence about limited capacity......all I want to see is more competition, because more competition = more capacity = lower fares

The problem with that is that if the market is flooded with capacity in December, many airlines will go the route once the peak is over. It's much preferable to have a sustainable market place to meet the diverse needs of different types of travellers than it is to have a short-lived free for all so you can save a few dollars.


User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 455 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

BBD and Pratt are global companies. Why do so many Canadians resort to Quebec bashing whenever they are mentionned?

Are they forgetting about the recent 8 billion government bailout of GM & Chrysler, much of which will not be repaid because it disappeared into the auto workers pension plans? The fact that any of it is being repaid is a bonus because it was a very risky investment at the time.
I guess it's OK that tens of thousands of relatively well off Ontario auto workers get handouts but when a world class aerospace firm gets a fraction of the amount that's not OK?
What about the government protection of the Canadian banking and media industries, largely based in Toronto? What about the billions the Federal government has lost on AECL (atomic energy Canada) that is almost exclusively focused on Ontario? The list goes on and on.
I'm sick of the double standards and hypocracy that these BBD comments bring to mind.


25 gr8circle : Agree with all of you guys, what you're saying.....however, it's not just a December thing........the same thing happens during summer (Jul-Aug), Diw
26 AeroWesty : Then why shouldn't Air Canada or Air India pick up the slack? Or if it's so profitable, why hasn't a charter operator entered the market during peak
27 Post contains images anrec80 : Yeah I just admire this "Canadian way" - make offers that are just impossible to resist. Such as grant SQ unlimited non-stops to Canada - as if someo
28 JoeCanuck : Canada is well served by dozens of airlines offering direct flights or one stops to almost anywhere on the planet. Every time somebody brings up a mi
29 anrec80 : Did I say something about someone being trapped somewhere? I was talking about having a choice in connections, extra seats and flexibility. Sure, you
30 JoeCanuck : I spent years traveling to the middle east from Canada for business, so I actually do have some basis for my opinions. It doesn't matter how many air
31 Post contains images anrec80 : I understand the reason for difference in price . It does not change the fact that EK expanding in YYZ and YVR will give an additional option to trav
32 Kaiarahi : That's me. Nope.
33 C172Akula : Except for Pacific destinations why would a person in YYC need to connect in YYZ? We could fly non-stop to LHR, AMS, or FRA and connect from there fi
34 pnwtraveler : I think not having an arab carrier add service is a ridiculous comparison to communism. You aren't being forced to fly a State airline. Out of YYZ yo
35 gr8circle : Good question....AC has shown scant interest in operating direct flights to India over the years....it's always on and off for them......AI is alread
36 Kaiarahi : Guess why? Insufficient traffic/yields. Guess why? They have a brand new international hub in DEL to feed their domestic connections. Which is exactl
37 ojas : From 27th March they have upgraded YYZ to a B77W that's almost a 100 seats more than the B77L per day.
38 gr8circle : I understand all the lessons that you've pointed out......so, as a consumer, should we just accept that and say "fine, nothings going to change".....
39 YYCowboy : Here we go again, around and around. I love these Arab vs Canada posts, a lot of common sense gets mixed in with armchair retards who just don't get i
40 Post contains images YVRLTN : Here we go again... Add mining too. South America is a huge market (ever wonder why AC send 77W's there?), as is UK (ABZ), Norway, Russia & former
41 aa757first : Mutually beneficial for whom? It should favor the consumers, not the interests of an airline afraid of competition. Well of course it is. But an airl
42 ojas : The Canadian authorities refused to lift the restriction of 14 weekly flights to YYZ. Air India's request to operate 10-12 weekly on DEL - YYZ from W
43 abrelosojos : = Hey Ojas - when did this happen? Can you source me an article as I am surprised AI would request authority to operate twice daily. It's DEL-YYZ fli
44 Post contains images aa757first : I just did a quick comparison of the options a traveler has while traveling to Mumbai from New York and Toronto. As you can see, the traveler from New
45 Post contains links ojas : http://www.livemint.com/2011/03/3000...lan-more-flights-des.html?atype=tp It is mentioned somewhere in between that Air India wants to increase freque
46 JoeCanuck : One can't have everything. The mid east airlines have been shown to be arms of their respective governments...and as such, there is obviously a polit
47 anrec80 : Again, this statement seems to suggest that the best choices a-la YVR->YYZ->other places are already there, and I should not want anything else
48 Kaiarahi : It's not all about you. I prefer not to grant access to airlines which are an extension of the foreign policy of a autocratic, non-democratic state.
49 directorguy : Seems to me that a lot of people who don't like airline landing rights to be tied to a political issue are the same ones saying that they don't want a
50 gr8circle : The simple point that nobody seems to be getting on this thread is that I'm ranting about the high fares inspite of the numerous choices available...
51 Kaiarahi : And the point that you don't seem to be getting is that fares are seasonal - you've acknowledged that they're seasonally high in every market, no mat
52 JoeCanuck : EK and EY already fly 6 times per week out of YYZ and QR 3 times per week out of YUL. You can get what you want. Canada has a higher number of flight
53 sebring : Whatever, whatever, whatever.... The point I've made is that Canadian policy isn't changing. It's not going to change because the Big Bad Wolf in Qata
54 aa757first : Of course they did. Emirates is their largest company and Canada has implemented protectionist measures to limit their operations to and from Canada.
55 anrec80 : Sure, it's not about me - I have been talking about local YVR market, giving myself as an example. It's like telling a market what's in demand on it
56 jfidler : This thread is interesting. For comparison, how are the policies with carriers like EK and QR implemented in the US? If it's different from what's in
57 aa757first : The United States' policy has been to pursue the least restrictive air service agreements possible for quite some time now. Usually this results in a
58 anrec80 : I don't know about that. EK flies to NYC, LAX, SFO and IAH. Except to SFO, they have *DOUBLE-DAILY* flights and EY has dailies to ORD and JFK. And no
59 anrec80 : To be fair, it does but up to certain extent only. Canada overall is a higher tax environment, and premium demand (business or flexible economy) in t
60 JoeCanuck : Since we're different countries, why does it seem odd that we have different foreign policies? I disagree. There are many restrictions to free trade.
61 Post contains images airbusfanyyz : Canada has but 1/10 of the population of the United States. In fact if you take the MSA's of NYC, LAX, SFO and IAH you have more people than ALL OF C
62 aa757first : Well of course there are barriers to trade. The question is, what do you do about the ones that are quite easy to control, ie the political ones. May
63 JoeCanuck : ...and a large number are not. At the moment, some European countries, (Germany notable among them), is restricting EK access to some markets. Beside
64 Kaiarahi : Bullshit. The U.S. has consistently refused to allow reciprocal cabotage with Canada. Since you're a student, let me give you a short lesson in criti
65 Kaiarahi : We're just so happy up here sitting in our socialist igloos waving our Canadian flags. There are a couple of threads late last year on the Canada-EK
66 anrec80 : Sure, some are. Economic - in modern globalized world they are not that noticeable really. Logistical - maybe, and unrestricted transportation indust
67 anrec80 : Sure one can ask for anything - it does not yet imply that will start 4x daily YYZ and 3x daily YVR the following day. One of the reasons fo rthsi as
68 JoeCanuck : As it turns out, that is exactly what Canada has done.
69 abrelosojos : = I am sorry I guess I am not seeing where it is. It mentions AI would like to increase frequency at some point to YYZ. Where does it mention that th
70 ojas : Exactly this article doesn't support what I'm saying but just gave a subtle hint. Air India was refused additional frequencies to YYZ. They were oper
71 airbusfanyyz : In all due respect to jump from subtle hint you think is intimated in the article to stating that the Canadian authorities refused to increase freque
72 anrec80 : From what we can see they did not really grant anything. By "reasonable" I mean not all at once on one hand, but whatever is necessary to unblock 1-2
73 ojas : I did not jump to a conclusion by reading a random article, I'm not that stupid. I happen to work closely with the entities related in the discussion
74 Post contains images huaiwei : Yeap I am sure it is in Canada's interests that it remains that way. The world's major airlines should just skip Canada altogether. They are not real
75 sebring : It's not for Canada to block or unblock a foreign airline's plans. It's not for Canada to tell said foreign airline to buy more aircraft than it know
76 JoeCanuck : Different interpretation, I guess. One mans' reasonable is another mans' tyranny. Still, I have never felt deprived of choice flying from YYC to DXB.
77 Post contains images airbusfanyyz : Never said you were, no need to take it so personal. As for Reply #42 it simply makes statements without any mention/link to a source or reference. I
78 Kaiarahi : Separate agreements, but integrated negotiations.
79 Post contains links sebring : I guess Qatar hasn't tried bribing our politicians yet. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/6-fifa-exec...ngdoing-during-2018-141235831.html
80 C172Akula : In this scenario I almost guarantee that if you gave them daily YYZ they wouldn't even bother with YYC (and maybe even YVR). They WANT daily YYZ, eve
81 pnwtraveler : To put it a different way, Canada's population is the same as the state of California. That population is spread across the width of the continent. P
82 Post contains images anrec80 : How is Canada by refusing slots is not blocking airline's plans? Yes, they bought a lot of aircraft to achieve the economy of scale, be more efficien
83 Kaiarahi : You're missing the point. Canada's decisions are based on its own economic, trade and transportation interests and policies, not on capriciously bloc
84 Post contains links Fly2yyz : Hmmm did you seriously use KE without really doing your research? California and Los Angeles has the largest population of Koreans outside of Korea.
85 C172Akula : Exactly my point, if you give them daily YYZ and allow them YYC and YVR and they choose not to fly to them we got suckered and gave them what they re
86 Post contains images anrec80 : Lol. So you say that to give someone what they want is "to get suckered"? This thread is about QR asking for more slots in YUL. Is giving the slots t
87 anrec80 : I guess I made a mistake with number, and according to the site of KE they will be running 34 weeklies this summer between LAX and ICN. There is also
88 Post contains images anrec80 : Yes, EK is pursuing their interests - they see market and opportunity here. How does that mean that if they go after it Canada will not benefit? Gene
89 QatarA340 : Funny how a thread about QR always has to turn into EK. LOL! Anyways, I see QR getting daily Montreal services, I dont know why; but I can almost smel
90 Post contains images anrec80 : Well it's not uncommon here - as soon as there is something has to do either with Middle East, competition, connections or Australia, on this forum it
91 Kaiarahi : I invite you - yet again - to do some serious reading on Canada's economic, trade and transportation interests and policies; it's wayyy more complex
92 Fly2yyz : It is quite different scenarios. KE have built this traffic up over time. I guess you could say in the same way that the Canadian government would wa
93 Post contains images airbusfanyyz : Canada offered YYC and YVR immediately with YYZ increase once YYC and YVR service was initiated but EK balked. So it seems very clear that the Canadi
94 abrelosojos : = Thanks. Ya - I know AI has expressed an interest to launch additional frequency to YYZ - but AI has expressed a lot of things over the years. I wou
95 anrec80 : Maybe. "Canada's interests" is a very abstract thing really. I am basing my looks on examples of economically successful and competitive nations - Ho
96 abrelosojos : = Just a few things to mention: + European airports have blocked EK. + I would hardly consider UAE to have "unrestricted competition among airlines".
97 Fly2yyz : Well your argument seems to be based mearly on the fact that if KE has it why can't EK. EK has the rights I believe so I'm sure they can fly all over
98 Post contains links anrec80 : Sure. Though they do not do things like to kick out EK from MAN and limit them to 3 weeklies out of LHR. Embassy mentions that you can get only a tra
99 JoeCanuck : So? There are many places where Canadians are required to obtain visas...including Australia...hardly an insurmountable obstacle. Besides, this will
100 anrec80 : Sure. IMHO UAE isn't a bad place either. In any case, I do not believe it's a smart move to introduce tensions like this because of a few weekly flig
101 anrec80 : Dude, I am not sure if you understand my argument to begin with. It's simple. I believe that Canadian markets get no value from restricting competiti
102 JoeCanuck : There are many important players all over the world. Canada is choosing to offer more slots to the ones with the most to offer. The smart move is to
103 huaiwei : As for as world history has shown, nations who put ego above economic sense are the first to collapse. That has always proven to be one of the dumbes
104 yowza : This thread is supposed to be about Qatar Airways. It is my belief that they will run an amazingly successful service out of YUL and with the right bu
105 gr8circle : Well, that's exactly what the UAE tried to do.....what's your point (if any)?
106 airbusfanyyz : Not at all it's very clear for ALL air services bilaterals Interesting that with the exception of australia the rest are city states with no domestic
107 Post contains images gr8circle : Canada can easily export oil to the UAE as and when they pump the last drops out of desert floor Canadian oil reserves will definitely outlast those
108 worldliner : Canada seems like a strange place for QR to want to expand, most of the ongoing traffic and connections that go through Doha are much easier reached b
109 Viscount724 : Also FRA-JFK which has been operating for many years, and BCN-GRU which started about 6 weeks ago.[Edited 2011-05-13 16:49:57]
110 JoeCanuck : Holy drama, batman. Thanks for your concern...somehow I doubt that limiting Emirati flights to Canada is going to cause our imminent demise. Well, ca
111 anrec80 : Yep, some aspects are certainly the same. Unnecessary government intrusion into markets is one of them. It could have been truly laughable if there w
112 Fly2yyz : I really loathe your comparison of Canada with Communist Russia! There may be some aspects which support a "for the greater good" ideal...but in NO w
113 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I find it amusing how passionate Canada-Mideast discussions become here on a.net. Much logic... but also many not listening... I've just accepted it w
114 richm : NOTICE: Please can I remind you all to ensure that your posts are directly relevant to the topic at hand. In addition, you may debate the subject itse
115 JoeCanuck : All this because EK didn't get what they wanted. Wow...that logic is stretched more than a cirque du soleil acrobat. If this country is so crappy, wh
116 Post contains images huaiwei : Singapore has an unusual OSA with the United Kingdom. It is so open, it even allows SQ to setup and base a subsidiary airline in London and vice vers
117 Skywatcher : I lament the chest thumping that is going on in this post. I can't help but think that it is very un-Canadian. We're supposed to be the boring nice gu
118 anrec80 : I still suggest that it's best if who overtakes whom will be determined more by healthy competition and by market demand and less by the rules. Let E
119 StarAC17 : Thats your opinion, good business is charging what the customer is willing to pay. If your not willing to pay that then don't fly there are obviously
120 Post contains images airbusfanyyz : It's more like "Oh Canada, We stand on guard for thee". While we ARE nice guys, we're definitely not boring, nor do we feel the need to live down to
121 anrec80 : By "healthy competition" I mean competition without any barriers to entry/exit of the operators in the market. "Healthy competition" in my view also
122 Post contains images huaiwei : So an open market is only suitable based on geography? Enlighten us please. For how long more, seriously? And are you suggesting Canada's economic fu
123 StarAC17 : Much longer than you think it will, our economy will depend on what it always has in the past: resources, an educated population (one of the highest
124 huaiwei : But it is not just me you have to convince. Show me any reputable publication out there which lists Canada in the top ten by 2020 or even 2015? Lots
125 Post contains images anrec80 : Have you noticed based on what the most successful countries build their economies? Look at Germany, Japan, China, Singapore, Scandinavian countries.
126 StarAC17 : Seriously you believe that, while I agree some trends need to be reversed we are in far better shape than those countries that you speak of especiall
127 anrec80 : Sure, it's coming back. Though, this does not solve the question on what its weight in GDP, and is it sufficient to provide adequate number of descen
128 SA7700 : This topic has been steered into an off-topic discussion, which does not address Qatar Airways and its number of frequencies in-an out of Canada. This
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