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Safety Demonstration Before Pushback?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 663 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Which airlines do their safety demonstration before the aircraft pushesback/taxis away from the gate? Is it mostly airlines where only a safety video is shown with no manual demonstration, eg Emirates?

In Australia all airlines do their safety demonstration after the aircraft has been pushed back and the doors have been armed.

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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

I have been on many airlines and the safety demo has been done before , during and after push back and many times the it is on the same airline that i have experiences the demo done in those phases.

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

There are a lot of different factors that go in to the decision of when to do the demo. If everyone is onboard, even if still at the gate, I have seen it done. This could be for several reasons, including "time to kill" while the ground crew finishes loading bags or the cockpit crew finishes paperwork, or perhaps because there is an especially short taxi ahead of them.

User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

At my airline the SOP is to do the demo after the door has been closed. Sometimes that means it will be done before pushback but normally it happens during and after.

User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 295 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
At my airline the SOP is to do the demo after the door has been closed. Sometimes that means it will be done before pushback but normally it happens during and after.

My airline also.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
At my airline the SOP is to do the demo after the door has been closed. Sometimes that means it will be done before pushback but normally it happens during and after.

This is what happens the overwhelming majority of the time on every U.S. airline I fly regularly. Sometimes it happens immediately, sometimes there is a very short wait, but either way the door closure is the trigger.



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User currently offlinespchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

I dont think there is generally any specific time frame other than before the FA's have to sit for takeoff. Obviously it is typically done after the main cabin door is closed and all the doors armed.

Depending on how congested the alley or taxiway is, and when they have been cleared to actually push would determine when the saftey briefing would be completed.

More often than not, in my experience it is usually completed as the a/c is pushing from the gate, however there have been numerous times at JFK where the FA's were done about 10-15 minutes before we have even pushed back.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

As said this seems to be the norm with US carriers.

In Australia we're used to it always being done after push back - at Qantas the FA's are only to start the demo after the no smoking sign has been cycled twice after the first engine has been started. Taxi length makes no difference. It's not uncommon to have taxied to the runway and be holding while the crew either finish the demo or complete their checks through the cabin - obviously in Australia the airports are far less congested than in the US so this doesn't cause any problems.

(The biggest difference as far as SOP's seems to be in Australia the doors are armed while the aircraft is being pushed away from the gate. In America they clearly have all airlines arm their doors straight after closure while the aircraft is at the gate)

Do most airlines in the US still have the flights attendants do a manual demonstration? Airlines like Delta and United have fairly concise videos which don't have phrases like "the crew will now point out..." etc like they do on Qantas - do these airlines just show a video, or do the crew do it along with it?


User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

It depends on what is going on and the airport. Sometimes if the ground crew is slow you can do a demo and a walk thru before the plane even moves. Other times the pilots have to wait for us to finnish our demo and walk thru.

User currently offlineeoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 7):
n Australia we're used to it always being done after push back - at Qantas the FA's are only to start the demo after the no smoking sign has been cycled twice after the first engine has been started

That is only the procedure for the 767, and they recently completed a trial to see if it could be removed. Also it's only cycled once (the two dings come from turning it off, then back on)

On the A330/A380/747 the demo can be started at anytime after the doors are armed.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Is there a reason it's only done on the 767 at Qantas?

I could have sworn it was at least done on the 737 too - seems I was wrong


User currently offlineeoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Has something to do when they switch from APU to engine power. It causes the video to temporarily be unheard and seen, but the video still plays meaning some of it can be missed.

The trial was done sometime ago, and would say that too much was missed for them to be able to play it before the 1st engine is started.

Sorry I forgot about the 737 - it also follows the same as 747 etc


User currently offlinedeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

I was on a CO 757 about a year ago from LAX to IAH when the flight attendants waited until we were turning on to the runway to activate it. I was shocked. We rolled down the runway while it was playing and it went on as we climbed out over the Pacific and then made the left to start southeast towards IAH. Up to that point I had perception that FAA mandated it be done, live or video before takeoff, I knew then I must be wrong.

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 12):
I was on a CO 757 about a year ago from LAX to IAH when the flight attendants waited until we were turning on to the runway to activate it. I was shocked. We rolled down the runway while it was playing and it went on as we climbed out over the Pacific and then made the left to start southeast towards IAH. Up to that point I had perception that FAA mandated it be done, live or video before takeoff, I knew then I must be wrong.

That is nothing in comparison to what i experienced. i flew lufthansa from frankfurt to buenos aires via sao paulo in 2007. when we left sao paulo, something must have happened, and they did not show anything. the demo started somewhere at FL 150. i was highly entertained by that  
if there are any doubters (i know, i would also say this sounds unbelievable, etc.  ), i have no proof for my statement, but i can tell the exact date, the plane reg and other data to prove that i was there.

[Edited 2011-05-06 16:23:50]

User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1974 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Alaska Airlines is doing manual demonstration because it doesn't have TV/screens on their aircraft.

Virgin Atlantic is doing both safety video AND manual demo at the SYD airport but when I flew back to Australia, they use safety video only. After the safety video is finished, the flight attendant are doing manual demo later.

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
Which airlines do their safety demonstration before the aircraft pushesback/taxis away from the gate?

I have seen lots of airlines are doing their safety demo after the doors are armed and after the aircraft pushesback/taxis away from the gate.

I know some Virgin Blue flights, Virgin Blue cabin crew is doing manual demo after the door was armed but the plane wasn't moved. After they finished it, then the plane was being pushed back. It depends on the time or tight schedule.

I remember one of my Qantas flights, Qantas cabin crew was doing "late" manual demo because TV was broken while taxiing and the plane was moving. They had to do it quickly.

[Edited 2011-05-06 16:49:08]


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3833 times:
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Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
At my airline the SOP is to do the demo after the door has been closed. Sometimes that means it will be done before pushback but normally it happens during and after.

Same here.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 13):
the demo started somewhere at FL 150.

I've been on a few flights in Latin America where the taxi was so short they just stopped doing the demo just prior to take off. On one (MX) they did just a quick oxygen mask demo after we were airborne. On the others (AM and AV) they just stopped, took their jump seats, and the rest of it never resumed!

I've been on a few WN flights where I'll hear the F/A say "Quick Taxi" before they start the demo.

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):
On the others (AM and AV) they just stopped, took their jump seats, and the rest of it never resumed!

My adventure beats yours. in august 2009 i flew caracas to bogota on AV763. my family was seated in row 9 middle seats, and there was an unruly passenger with his wife at the window. all the cabin crew were persuading him to behave, and when they thought they managed to, they started serving the first class. as a result, when we started the takeoff run, the champaigne was still being poured, and the last glasses were handed at some 200km/h. that was something. i loved the purser's skills  


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3427 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 16):
My adventure beats yours



Indeed it does ZK. I've been on AV where they were still picking up until a minute before touchdown, but not still pouring on take off! Great F class service from the Red Caped crew at AV !



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User currently offlinegoldenjet707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 17):

In the US it makes sense to start the demo after push-back. If for whatever reason the cabin door has to be opened again, even though nobody may get on or off, the demo has to be played again. That is an FAR. So why play the demo while at the gate and run the risk of having to play or perform it again, if the door needs to be reopened.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

I'm a CSA and deal primarily with CRJ-200s and I have had several F/As perform the safety demonstration at the gate with the door open and once the flight was delayed because of it. As much as I enjoy a good safety demo I don't need the flight to be delayed over it...


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
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Quoting goldenjet707 (Reply 18):
In the US it makes sense to start the demo after push-back. If for whatever reason the cabin door has to be opened again, even though nobody may get on or off, the demo has to be played again. That is an FAR.


For about the past year or so, we do all possible NOT to reopen the door once initially closed. Unless it's maintenance related, the L1 stays closed!



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Every time I've flown, the safety briefing and demo or video starts after a pilot calls for the F/As to prepare for depature. First, the doors are called out as being armed and cross-checked, then the briefing starts.

Sometimes, the briefing starts before pushback. Sometimes it's during pushback. Sometimes it's while the tug is disconnecting. Sometimes, the aircraft has started taxiing. It all depends on the timing of closing the forward entry door, the ground crew getting the last bags into the hold and closing the hatches, the CSA backing the jet bridge from the aircraft, and ATC clearing the aircraft for pushback.


User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

On a WN flight out of ABQ two weeks ago, the briefing started after pushback. The taxi was FAST and short. The crew strapped in and finished the safety briefing belted in to their seats as we roared down the runway. We didn't even slow down as we turned on to the runway slamming us all of us over in our seats as gave it the gas. Guess he was trying to make up the 10 minute delay at the gate.


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User currently offlinejfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I was on a CO flight, EWR-SFO in February when the flight attendants started the video after pushback and engine start (I thought it was a bit late). The video was still playing and the FA's still standing in the aisle when we started roaring down the runway. They were scrambling to get down the aisle and to their seats during takeoff roll.

User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2247 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

At AA with the old, old video systems (S-VHS), we were always instructed to wait until both engines had started in order to prevent any interruptions from switching power sources. Once the 8MM tape systems came along, and now the eFX digital system, the power sources were changed and the video systems are no longer subjected to interruptions during engine start. As a result, we'll do the demo now whenever we're ready after the doors have been closed/armed.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 12):
Up to that point I had perception that FAA mandated it be done, live or video before takeoff, I knew then I must be wrong.

No, you're right. A demo is required prior to each takeoff, even if new customers have not boarded. At AA, we automatically play English and Spanish in the US, and other LOD demos depending on where we're headed. We are permitted to play the LOD demo after takeoff as the FAR only requires demos in English. The goal is to have all demos play before takeoff, but sometimes taxi times don't permit it... especially on flights where we play three demos (like BRU: English, French and Dutch), ZUR (English, French and German) or BCN (English, Spanish and Catalan), to name a few.



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25 Viscount724 : In Europe, in my experience doors are always armed before pushback. As in Europe, I expect it depends whether the aircraft is equipped with video scr
26 quiet1 : I believe the FAR only requires that all passengers receive a complete safety briefing. They do not all need to have a video demo, so passengers boar
27 hamad : it depends on the circumstances! take those situations int consideration: a. captain advise of a very short taxi time? b. full flight and a lot of pre
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