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An Independent Scotland. Aircraft Registrations?  
User currently offlineACdreamliner From UK - Scotland, joined May 2005, 519 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

As per the title. If/when Scotland becomes independent following todays landslide from the nationalists, what will Scottish registered aircraft be prefixed with (i.e. G-**** for British aircraft).

Just curious.


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User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Would most likely stay G- as wouldn't it mean they are not part of the UK but still part of the British Isles?

I can't see it being a good thing in all honesty but thats not for this thread lol!


User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5768 times:
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You forgot Quebec!

Quebec = QB
Scotland = SC
Wales = WL
England = EN
Northern Ireland = NR


User currently offlineACdreamliner From UK - Scotland, joined May 2005, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

so am i right in saying it would be SC-***?


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User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

That would be logical.

I hope it does not happen.



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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

I'd expect it to be in the VS- series, as that callsign series is assigned by the ITU to the UK.
Pretty much all national registration prefixes are based on that country's callsign series.



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 5):

I'd expect it to be in the VS- series, as that callsign series is assigned by the ITU to the UK.
Pretty much all national registration prefixes are based on that country's callsign series.

If that happened, I expect Virgin Atlantic to re-register their birds in Scotland  



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

I'd change every call sign in the world to the ISO standards. Would make it transparent to the passenger where the aircraft is registered. So a German aircraft would be DE-XXXX instead of D-XXXX, a US aircraft US-XXXX instead of NXXXX, and so on.

I once proposed this here in the forum, and most people (especially from the US) were throwing fits

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User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

It would not stay as G-, remember Ireland has EI and Isle of Man currently has M-.

I would imagine they would stick with G- initially, but as and when they get their own aircraft registry (not necessarily linked to independence as aircraft could remain UK registered in the interim), they would probably get AL-XXX or AB-XXX.


User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
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Never going to happen!

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User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5411 times:
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Not North Sea oil but Scottish oil!
Vive l'Ecosse libre!
They should do an UDI!

[Edited 2011-05-06 14:09:35]
The famous Scottish Spitfire pilot,Ian Smith.


[Edited 2011-05-06 14:11:15]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26995 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Its ok to speculate for a light hearted thread but its never going to happen. They will find Nessie first  

User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
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It will happen.
The Soviet Union broke up so why not the United Kingdom?
Scotland's entire legal system is codified with the Napoleonic Procurator Fiscal.
It has a different education system as well.
If people want their independece,ipso facto,let them have it.
After all,England is fed up with subsidising the regions.

[Edited 2011-05-06 14:15:51]

[Edited 2011-05-06 14:16:11]

User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Quoting aidoair (Reply 1):
Would most likely stay G- as wouldn't it mean they are not part of the UK but still part of the British Isles?

"G-" is for "Great Britain", not the "British Isles".

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 2):
Scotland = SC
Wales = WL
England = EN
Northern Ireland = NR

Even if Scotland were to become independent, the rest of the UK would remain united. And if Wales were to eventually become independent, and NI reunified with Ireland, England would likely retain the "G" prefix.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
I'd change every call sign in the world to the ISO standards. Would make it transparent to the passenger where the aircraft is registered.

The vast majority of passengers don't give a rat's where the aircraft is registered, so why bother?

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 5):
I'd expect it to be in the VS- series, as that callsign series is assigned by the ITU to the UK.

The "Vx" prefixes were used for various parts of the British Empire; some former parts of the Empire have elected to retain their "Vx" prefix (e.g. Australia, Belize, etc.), some have elected to change, but since the Empire no longer exists there's no reason to presume Scotland would receive a "V" series prefix.


User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 12):
After all,England is fed up with subsidising the regions.

Correct, but lets not turn this into a political discussion  


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Incidentally, why are US aircraft registered as N ?.

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
Incidentally, why are US aircraft registered as N ?.

North America =)


User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
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Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
Incidentally, why are US aircraft registered as N ?.

N for Number.


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

N for Navy wasn't it originally?


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User currently offlinevhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

doesn't the N have something to do with an old radio code for Navy?

As for Scotland I don't know much how the G register works ie. can you apply for anything from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ excluding anything with a Q? it they have unallocated blocks they can probably assign a block temporally for Scotland ie. G-SCxx until they get their own or if not maybe they could allow G-Qxxx for Scotland as long as it's clear it's a Q and not an O. Much like how Australia and New Zealand had G-AUxx and G-NZxx before VH- and ZK- were assigned.



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User currently onlinecsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Better yet, what would ATC call Air Scotland? Sheep1? Haggis 1? Would they have "The flying shephard" on their planes, like KLM has "The flying Dutchman?"


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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

The radio call signs B-, G-, M-, VP-, VQ- and VR- were allocated to the UK. Of all these VR- remains available (VR-H was Hong Kong), so an independent Scotland could logically either continue to use G- (with the CAA administrating) or be allocated the VR- series.

But I think it will be a while yet before it would be needed. A SNP victory in the Scottish elections does not necessarily mean independence is the next step.



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User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 2):

Quebec = QB
Scotland = SC
Wales = WL
England = EN
Northern Ireland = NR

Most likely those will all be different. There are few new countries that get a logical prefix.
Slovenia tried, they had SL- for a while but ended up with S5-. Croatia got 9A-, Belarus EW-, Macedonia Z3-, ...

There are a few exceptions, Estonia got ES- and Uzbekistan got UK-.

And to add to that list, Flanders would not get FL-  


User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 2):
Scotland = SC
Wales = WL
Northern Ireland = NR

Scotland and Wales would never get these prefixes, as the prefix would be based on the country's name in their native tongue. Hence why Scotland would be AB- or AL- (for Alba), and Wales would be CY- or CM- (Cymru). Northern Ireland on the other hand would not become independent, rather the only possible change there would be if they were incorporated into Eire which already has EI (highly unlikely scenario).

But as Jalap mentions above very rarely do countries get 'logical' prefixes these days.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting aidoair (Reply 1):
Would most likely stay G- as wouldn't it mean they are not part of the UK but still part of the British Isles?

Technically Ireland is part of the so-called "British Isles" and we have our own independant registration (EI-).



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25 Post contains images BMI727 : From another thread:
26 Post contains images gkirk : It'll be 2015 before anything happens anyway, but I'd imagine the referendum will return a "no" vote. As for: It's actually the other way round. The S
27 SXI899 : It's reasonable enough considering that the VS callsign prefix is one of the prefixes still assigned to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and North
28 Post contains links and images YokoTsuno : The meaning of the prefix depends on the thread Country Code In AC Registration Numbers (by YokoTsuno Apr 30 2011 in Tech Ops)
29 richardw : Did the Air Scotia aircraft have registrations in The High Life? Or perhaps they weren't visible.
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