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What Int'l Widebodies Does DL Plan To Retire?  
User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

In CEO Richard Anderson's weekly message to employees, some international widebodies are going to be retired from the fleet. I'm surprised by this move, thinking their mix of PMDL Boeing equipment and PMNW Airbus equipment allowed them to upgauge or downguage aircraft types according to market demand and/or profitability. Anyone have any idea which widebodies would be the first to go?

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Thread starter):
In CEO Richard Anderson's weekly message to employees, some international widebodies are going to be retired from the fleet. I'm surprised by this move, thinking their mix of PMDL Boeing equipment and PMNW Airbus equipment allowed them to upgauge or downguage aircraft types according to market demand and/or profitability. Anyone have any idea which widebodies would be the first to go?

I don't see any complete retirements, although maybe some older 763ERs will be retired.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

I would guess that the 747-400s would be the first to go, and would be replaced by additional 777s of varying types. There has been long standing rumors about a DL 773 order, and with AA ordering a few, I would not be surprised if DL ends up doing so as well. With DL deferring their 787 deliveries until 2020, one has to wonder if they intend to keep the 763ER fleet in service even longer. I would venture to guess that they may retire some of the oldest 763ERs (or relegate them to US-Hawaii service) and replace them with either more A330s or if the route warrants, 772ERs.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3212 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12053 times:

Unless something has drastically changed, I thought DL was pulling 763ER's out of the desert - not the other way around.

Although, the long term plan for the 76G's seems constantly in limbo. No official plans for winglets, new interiors, etc. So, if you saw any [sub]fleet completely retired, the 76G is probably your most likely candidate.

The next most likely would be the 744's but DL seems to be keeping those around for quite a few years yet, extending the leases on those not already owned and planning full interior refurbishments on all 16 of 16 ships in the fleet.


User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2557 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11947 times:

From what I heard it will be a couple of older 767's and a couple of older domestic 757 along with the DC-9's. Some of the oldest DL 757's are getting pretty close to their cycle limits.

User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7594 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Thread starter):
In CEO Richard Anderson's weekly message to employees, some international widebodies are going to be retired from the fleet

Did he specifically say retired, or was it "removed from service" or "parked"? Each has a different definition.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
I would guess that the 747-400s would be the first to go, and would be replaced by additional 777s of varying types. There has been long standing rumors about a DL 773 order, and with AA ordering a few, I would not be surprised if DL ends up doing so as well.

There are not going to be any wholesale fleet removals anytime soon. Plus the aircraft to be parked, will be brought offline in the fall. DL isn't going to be ordering any additional 777s in the immediate future (e.g. next 6-12 months)/

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Unless something has drastically changed, I thought DL was pulling 763ER's out of the desert - not the other way around.

They brought some 757s, a few domestic 767s and 763ERs out over the winter / spring (now), however they significantly scaled back the amount. Originally people thought it was going to be all of them, but there are still a handful that aren't coming out, mostly because they would require a lot of work and have had parts/interiors/engines poached to use on other aircraft in the fleet.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Although, the long term plan for the 76G's seems constantly in limbo. No official plans for winglets, new interiors, etc. So, if you saw any [sub]fleet completely retired, the 76G is probably your most likely candidate.

Sounds like this fleet is a candidate and speculated to be removed.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
The next most likely would be the 744's but DL seems to be keeping those around for quite a few years yet, extending the leases on those not already owned and planning full interior refurbishments on all 16 of 16 ships in the fleet.

It is likely to see some 744s temporarily parked this fall / winter. Some will be in mod, others grounded for the time being.

The most likely scenario is taking a handful of aircraft from a bunch of fleets and storing them through the winter. Likely aircraft that are timing-out for heavy checks, to deffer maintenance. So you are like to see a mix of 763ER, A330, 744 go into storage. Don't expect it to be a mass grounding of any one particular fleet type as that would cause a nightmare with pilot training costs/seniority bumping.


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Did he specifically say retired,or was it "removed from service" or "parked"?

It specifically states the aircraft will be permanently retired, it's in the AP and Bloomberg news releases. It also says Anderson didn't specify which aircraft would be retired. I figured some DL insiders may have some info. As an employee of the competition, I was shocked to read this, as I have watched DL expand aggressively on the international front, to all continents, while my carrier has been very slow and ultra-conservative in opening new overseas routes.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 6):
It specifically states the aircraft will be permanently retired

Please provide link to this. I happened to listen to the earnings conference call a couple weeks back and while Anderson stated they would be retiring more of their less fuel efficient aircraft, he clearly grouped the widebody capcity reductions seperatly and said that they would be parking and undetermined amount of widebodies to achieve 8-10 capacity cut TATL. If they are indeed retiring widebodies, it certainly won't be the 8-10% they would need to park to achieve their desired capacity reduction as they would need it back come next summer, unless of course they intend to let AF/KL/AZ pick up the slack. I would be shocked to see anymore than 2 or 3 763s to be retired, if any. The 777s, 330s, and 764s certainly aren't going to be retired, and the they are investing a lot of money in the 744s (so unless they quickly reverse course on those they will be around), and that leaves the 763 which is the backbone of their international network with no replacements scheduled in that category for a decade so its hard to imagine they would retire those at this point either. Until I see a definitive statement about what action they will be taking with the widebodies, I have to assume they will be parking instead of retiring those aircraft (and I would assume which aircraft to be parked or removed from service will be determined by maintenance requirements). How many Gulf Air 763s does DL operate? Is it 4? Maybe they take this opportunity to remove these oddballs from the fleet, but even then I don't see retirements because if next summer's demand is the same or greater than this summer they will need those planes. (random thought: DL will already be decreasing international capacity because they are removing seats from their entire international fleet to provide Economy Comfort. So this will aid in them achieving their 8-10% capacity reductions and will further enhance their need to bring back any aircraft removed this winter to operate their summer schedule unless they plan to reduce capacity significantly next summer as well because it will be down what 2%? without removing any aircraft because of the new seat configurations for EC and the 744 fleet)


User currently offlineairbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Seems like DL plans on dumping the whales faster than I had anticipated. 6314 to be parked from July 2011 to around August/September 2012, which is when 6311 and 6312 will be returned to their respective lessors.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1953 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11045 times:

Quoting airbuske (Reply 8):
Seems like DL plans on dumping the whales faster than I had anticipated. 6314 to be parked from July 2011 to around August/September 2012, which is when 6311 and 6312 will be returned to their respective lessors.

Wow. Sad times ahead for the 744 fleet. Those are members of the newer group too. Not good news for their future.


User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11045 times:

From Bloomberg... "...plans to reduce capacity (seat) by at least 4 percent and trim the workforce with the first buyout and retirement offers since 2009 as it grapples with soaring fuel costs that led to a first-quarter loss.

Workers in the U.S. with 10 years of service whose age and service total at least 55 years are eligible for the retirement offers while employees with five years of service can take a buyout, Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson said today in his weekly recorded message to employees. ..."

more - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...early-retirement-to-trim-jobs.html

One article estimated a 8-10% capacity reduction on European routes ... ll this is slated post 9/1/2011



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3212 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10873 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
Wow. Sad times ahead for the 744 fleet. Those are members of the newer group too. Not good news for their future.

UA did the same thing - more or less. N171UA, their first delivered 744, continues to fly while alot of the N19xUA birds were parked in the last few years - ships that were delivered in the late 90's.


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 7):
Please provide link to this.

In the link to Bloomberg provided by MNMncrcnwjr, the second to last paragraph of the article states, "Delta has previously said it plans to retire 140 aircraft in the next 18 months, including some widebody planes used on international routes. Anderson didn't specify which additional types would be removed from service."

Sounds pretty permanent to me, not mothballing for a short time period.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 12):

In the link to Bloomberg provided by MNMncrcnwjr, the second to last paragraph of the article states, "Delta has previously said it plans to retire 140 aircraft in the next 18 months, including some widebody planes used on international routes. Anderson didn't specify which additional types would be removed from service."

Sounds pretty permanent to me, not mothballing for a short time period.

That is not a quote from Anderson or Delta, you are quoting the author of the article. That article misrepresented what Anderson said on the earnings conference call. Anderson discussed the retiring of small guage regionals and then went on to discuss parking some international widebodies (in an effort to reduce TATL capacity by 8-10% and that the aircraft and markets had not yet been determined). Delta had not previously announced any plans to retire widebody aircraft (as your article states). What I am trying to find out is if they have recently made a new statement to that effect or if this all stems from a journalist's misinterpretation of what Anderson said. As someone earlier said there is a difference between retiring, parking/storing, and removing from stroage - journalists don't always understand the difference of what those words mean as is evident in the article you cited. Since I listened to the call, I know what Anderson said but even in your quote of the article you provided you can tell the author does not recognize the difference in retiring and removing from service as he discusses both without distinction.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7594 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting airbuske (Reply 8):
Seems like DL plans on dumping the whales faster than I had anticipated. 6314 to be parked from July 2011 to around August/September 2012, which is when 6311 and 6312 will be returned to their respective lessors.
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):

Wow. Sad times ahead for the 744 fleet. Those are members of the newer group too. Not good news for their future.

Prior to DL getting the HND slots, I thought the plan was to keep a fleet of ~12 744s in service. There was some debate on whether the others would be kept for charter service or not. DL was able to negotiate with the lessors regarding rates that made it advantagous to keep the 744s around. It may have been that these lessors didn't want to renegotiate or that DL was always planning to get rid of these 2 744s.

This may have always been the plan, to only keep about 14, and those 2 won't be receiving the mods.

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 13):
That is not a quote from Anderson or Delta, you are quoting the author of the article
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 13):
As someone earlier said there is a difference between retiring, parking/storing, and removing from stroage - journalists don't always understand the difference of what those words mean as is evident in the article you cited. Since I listened to the call, I know what Anderson said but even in your quote of the article you provided you can tell the author does not recognize the difference in retiring and removing from service as he discusses both without distinction.

Exactly. There is a difference between what Anderson specifically said and how the media summarized his comments. They lumped together the part about parking widebodies with the discussion about retiring DC-9, Saab, and CRJs. They just made a blanket statement and said aircraft retirements.

Sure, there may be a handful of aircraft removed from the fleet, if leases are up (in the case of the 2 mentioned 744s) or if they are odd-balls like the 76Gs.

However nothing else really needs to be retired as they aren't obsolete aircraft. Unlike the DC-9s which have reached the end of their usable life, or the CRJs that DL no longer needs, the widebodies still have a lot of flying left in them. Parking the aircraft gives DL the flexibility to return them to service as conditions warrent, especially with some of the seasonality in the business. Parking them helps deffer some maintenance costs.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10466 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Quoting NYCAAer (Thread starter):
In CEO Richard Anderson's weekly message to employees, some international widebodies are going to be retired from the fleet

Did he specifically say retired, or was it "removed from service" or "parked"? Each has a different definition.

I just listened to the weekly message and what I got out of it was he said DL would be "retiring" some aircraft but didn't specify which ones.


I would think that the bulk of that would be the DC9-50s and maybe some MD-88s, plus some of the older 767s, including the Gulf Air ones. Possibly the CRJ200s are included in that amount, also.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Although, the long term plan for the 76G's seems constantly in limbo. No official plans for winglets, new interiors, etc. So, if you saw any [sub]fleet completely retired, the 76G is probably your most likely candidate.



Which is pretty much what DL said internally back in Dec/Jan. From the get go, mods for the 76Gs were put on hold until they figured out if they wanted to keep them or not.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Originally people thought it was going to be all of them, but there are still a handful that aren't coming out, mostly because they would require a lot of work and have had parts/interiors/engines poached to use on other aircraft in the fleet.



Well, that would have been because of what DL actually said. On top of that, they also said they were going to bring all 76Qs back into service for summer flying; that was also back in Dec/Jan but that didn't happen. A lot has changed over the past few months.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Sounds like this fleet is a candidate and speculated to be removed.



In the end, I think they will be the first 763ERs to exit the fleet with they move forward with not doing the mods on them as they had already confirmed they weren't going to until a final decision was made on the sub-fleet.



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User currently offlineBraniff727Ultra From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Parking 2 744's isn't/doesn't mean they are gutting the fleet of them. If they are announcing major retrofits of the interiors on them why would they do that & spend that money on aircraft that will provide them NROI? Not to mention the extension of the leases.

Certainly if the frame is nearing the end of its useful service life then it would explain removal from the fleet, but just because it is a 744 doesn't mean it offers no value to DL. (thinking bad things of all the 744 haters but not typing them)


Since DL has deferred the 787 to 2020 (or later) it seems to me they feel they can fill that void with cheaper 767/330 airframes for the next 8-10 yrs as needed.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 17):
Since DL has deferred the 787 to 2020 (or later) it seems to me they feel they can fill that void with cheaper 767/330 airframes for the next 8-10 yrs as needed.

Maybe as what I suggested in the past, Boeing can provide DL a sweet deal on more 764ERs. Yes, I know the 764ER has less range and cargo capacity than the A332, however, there aren't that many routes in DL's system that require the additional capability of the A332. If Boeing can greatly undercut Airbus' prices on the A332 with the 764ER, DL will probably choose it over the A332.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):

My only issue would be re-sale value. There is pretty much zero right now. Even leasing companies didn't bother to bite on the 764. Before I see DL outright buy any a/c, I can see them picking up a few through short term leases as a stop-gap until they are ready for the 787. That makes the most sense IMHO.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Older 763s are certainly the first to go. They have to. DL has many old 767s, I hope they retire them soon.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
I would guess that the 747-400s would be the first to go, and would be replaced by additional 777s of varying types.

The 744s have been or are being upgraded, so why should they go? DL also recently stated they would keep them longer. I remember a flightglobal article. They are the planes for the trunk routes and the only VLAs DL has. Hope they´ll order 748Is or A380s soon.

Quoting airbuske (Reply 8):
6314 to be parked from July 2011 to around August/September 2012, which is when 6311 and 6312 will be returned to their respective lessors.

As much as I know the latest-built 744s have been leased for 12 years, so thats just fulfilling the contract. Sad anyway, is business so bad that DL is having problems to fill 744s on some routes? Is the competition eating marketshare away from them?


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting na (Reply 20):
Older 763s are certainly the first to go. They have to. DL has many old 767s, I hope they retire them soon.

The oldest 763ER was delivered in June 1990. The average age for the fleet is 15 years. That is hardly old, especially when you consider they are not racking that many cycles per day.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Quoting C767P (Reply 21):
The oldest 763ER was delivered in June 1990. The average age for the fleet is 15 years. That is hardly old, especially when you consider they are not racking that many cycles per day.

Have the pre-1990 built 763s all been retired already then?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
My only issue would be re-sale value. There is pretty much zero right now. Even leasing companies didn't bother to bite on the 764. Before I see DL outright buy any a/c, I can see them picking up a few through short term leases as a stop-gap until they are ready for the 787. That makes the most sense IMHO.

Since when is resale value a deciding factor for DL? DL is acquiring as many used MD-90s as they can, and I really don't think their resale value will increase after they are retired. As what I was saying, Boeing could provide DL with a sweet deal on more 764ERs, probably for much less money than an offer from Airbus on some A332s. Boeing still views DL as one of their most important customers, and Boeing will do the best they can to keep them onboard. If DL wants more aircraft in that size category before 787 deliveries in 2020, a sweet deal from Boeing for some more 764ERs would be hard for Airbus to beat. DL is very happy with their 764ERs.

Quoting na (Reply 22):
Have the pre-1990 built 763s all been retired already then?

The only pre-1990 763s in DL's fleet are domestic non-ER aircraft.

[Edited 2011-05-08 10:46:47]


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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7594 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
I would think that the bulk of that would be the DC9-50s and maybe some MD-88s, plus some of the older 767s, including the Gulf Air ones. Possibly the CRJ200s are included in that amount, also.

The narrowbody retirements include only DC-9-50
The regional retirements include CRJ and Saab 340
There is no mention of retiring any MD-88 at this time. The DC-9-50 is the slack/flex capacity that is going to be retired over the next 18 months as airframes come due for heavy maintenance.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
Well, that would have been because of what DL actually said. On top of that, they also said they were going to bring all 76Qs back into service for summer flying; that was also back in Dec/Jan but that didn't happen. A lot has changed over the past few months

Yes, the one thing constant in this industry is that nothing states constant. Plans that were made 6-12 months ago can be easily thrown out the window. Plans were initially made last fall to start pulling aircraft out of the desert in preparation for Summer 2011. However, the economy didn't rebound as quick as planned, the cost of fuel skyrocketed, unrest broke out in the Middle East (CAI), and Japan got hit with a major natural disaster (disproportionately impacting DL in the short-term).

Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 17):
Parking 2 744's isn't/doesn't mean they are gutting the fleet of them. If they are announcing major retrofits of the interiors on them why would they do that & spend that money on aircraft that will provide them NROI? Not to mention the extension of the leases.

No, it does not mean they are gutting the entire fleet. Going back to early/mid 2010 the talk was about keeping a fleet of 12-14 744s in scheduled service. DL never specifically said they were keeping all 16. When HND slots were awarded, it sounded like they might indeed keep all 16. However they may never have renegotiated the leases on those specific 2 frames.

DL has already ordered the new seats and interiors on the 744s, so at least some are getting them. What it sounds like is that they will park 6314 this summer when it times out, until its time to return 6311 & 6312 (which won't get new interiors) at which time 6314 will come out of storage and get heavy maintenance and the new interior. DL is going to be deffering maintenance as much as possible, a standard procedure when there is excess capacity.

Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 17):
Since DL has deferred the 787 to 2020 (or later) it seems to me they feel they can fill that void with cheaper 767/330 airframes for the next 8-10 yrs as needed.

There is no mention or discussion of getting any new widebody equipment in the short/medium term. DL is fine with their current fleet for the next ~3 years. The top priority is on a new narrowbody to start deliveries in 2013.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
Maybe as what I suggested in the past, Boeing can provide DL a sweet deal on more 764ERs. Yes, I know the 764ER has less range and cargo capacity than the A332, however, there aren't that many routes in DL's system that require the additional capability of the A332. If

See comment above, despite your bias and wishful thinking for the 764ER, DL is in no need of any new, expensive frames in this category.

Quoting na (Reply 20):
DL also recently stated they would keep them longer. I remember a flightglobal article
Quoting na (Reply 20):
is business so bad that DL is having problems to fill 744s on some routes? Is the competition eating marketshare away from them?

Yes, DL is planning to keep the 744, just not all 16. So they will be returning 2 in 2012 when leases expire. DL did renegotiate leases on most of their 744s.

Again, the story with the 744 is a very complex issue, it isn't just as simple as to say "the competition is eating marketshare." There are only so many routes in the DL network that can support the 744. Also, until DL upgrades the interiors they don't want to put them on their flagship routes. Also DL was planning to use 744s on HND routes which never materialized, even before the Earthquake.


25 Transpac787 : That would be wrong in many, many ways. Let's just name a few routes and simplistic reasons why the A332 is required over the 764: LAX-NRT: Range. Th
26 Post contains images jetblast : Delta is also very happy with their A330s....
27 1337Delta764 : But DL has said absolutely nothing about preferring one over the other. If Boeing can greatly undercut Airbus' prices with the 764ER, DL might as wel
28 Transpac787 : You sir, have committed the sin of spin. Having JUST said "[they] have said absolutely nothing about preferring one over the other", why do you persi
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