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New Zealand Aviation Thread #95  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12209 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15572 times:
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Welcome to the #95th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In Thread 94 New Zealand Aviation Thread #94 (by NZ1 Apr 9 2011 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- CZ comes to AKL
- Jetconnects B738s business seats
- Garuda coming back to AKL?
- NZ changing its Airpoints earning rate
- VA engine blows at LAX, Virgin charter an NZ B744
- NZs new PPQ services
- NZ and Freedom

208 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNZ2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15498 times:

Quoting NZ6 - Maybe so but let's remember most of these seats were filled with upgrades, rewards and nothing else. Good on Air NZ for changing something and removing J class on the A320

At least it was an acceptable outlet for FF to use points, and also offer a product to some customers who want to pay for the option of biz class. You may be surprised but in the commercial world sometimes it pays to have an offering that may not make complete financial sense but it means you can offer a complete product which brings increased overall business to the company. I am not sure what your role is but it sounds like you need a few more years to get a little more commercial nous....


User currently offlinedarenw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15438 times:

So the 773 has been in service to the UK for just over a month now, how is it performing? No doubt the fuel bill is a little lower.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15430 times:

I think many of you are forgetting that NZ does offer a business class across the tasman to syd/bne/mel and the loads for those flights are good. And yes of course upgrades can be redeemed on those sectors.

The other thing I'll add is that usually it is multiple 763s a day to SYD, one 77W/77E to MEL and an afternoon 763 (on certain days ) and days like today have 2x 77E to BNE scheduled. Therefore those that need business class have access to it if they want it, or they can take a 320 if they don't want to wait for those specific flights.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15427 times:

Quoting NZ2 (Reply 1):
So the 773 has been in service to the UK for just over a month now, how is it performing? No doubt the fuel bill is a little lower.

more than a little lower.... On flights that would have required tail fuel on a 744 (upward of 135 ton of fuel) the 77W is usually around the 100-110 ton mark or a bit above or below.


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
more than a little lower.... On flights that would have required tail fuel on a 744 (upward of 135 ton of fuel) the 77W is usually around the 100-110 ton mark or a bit above or below.

Interesting, I bet the bean counters are celebrating!

On a side note, I was taking to a friend who flew LHR-LAX-AKL a couple of days ago, she said that the aircraft was delayed in LHR for an hour, and told it was due to 'fuel balance problems'. Does anyone know what such problems would be? I initially thought too much fuel may have been loaded into one wing over the other, but surely the 77W has a cross-feed fuel transfer system?

Also she said that the forward J cabin was 100% but she and 2 other pax were the sole occupants of the rear one. Would this have been for balance reasons? Or would the balance problem be due to cargo loading? Maybe a combination of a dense & heavy rear Y cabin, a light J load and too much cargo loaded at the rear? Would that do it?


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15347 times:

In response to comment 207, posted by NZ107, in the previous thread

http://www.pnairport.co.nz/historical.php

scroll down to the section labeled 'International services start, 1996'

It states 'The main runway was extended from 1,522metres to 1,902metres in early 1998 enabling Freedom Air International to operate commercially viable direct flights to Australia from June 1998'

Emphasis on 'Commercially viable'

If you continue, they also operated to NAN, before the coup, and freedom doubled services to Australias east coast due to response in growth opportunities.

They changed the Aircraft operating on all their international services (BNE,OOL,MEL,SYD) from 733 to 320, an increase of 9 seats per flight,

To me it seems PMR was quite a large market before NZ pulled the plug on freedom


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15289 times:

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 6):
It states 'The main runway was extended from 1,522metres to 1,902metres in early 1998 enabling Freedom Air International to operate commercially viable direct flights to Australia from June 1998'

Emphasis on 'Commercially viable'

Commerically viable in this sense refers to the ability to carry an economical payload (i.e. give the airline the option) trans tasman without leaving with empty seats or refueling at another field prior to departing New Zealand shores. It did not mean the flights were making a lot of money. Flights off 07 at Palmy can still be weight restricted under certain conditions even with the longer runway.

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 6):
If you continue, they also operated to NAN, before the coup, and freedom doubled services to Australias east coast due to response in growth opportunities.
NAN went so well that in an effort to keep it going they changed the schedule to PMR-HLZ-NAN towards the end as the loads were so appalling from both centres. Trying to grow a market does not always work. SJ tried running HLZ-SYD five days a week for one summer season before admiting defeat (on a side note, DJ also tried and also pulled HLZ-SYD because of terrible loadings).

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 6):

If you continue, they also operated to NAN, before the coup, and freedom doubled services to Australias east coast due to response in growth opportunities.

They changed the Aircraft operating on all their international services (BNE,OOL,MEL,SYD) from 733 to 320, an increase of 9 seats per flight,

Freedom wanted to keep the 737's. The A320's were sent their way by forces higher up the chain for fleet management reasons.

PMR was not a gold mine by any stretch of the imagination. JQ and DJ are smart carriers that look for niches in the market, the fact they have not tried services out of PMR speaks volumes.

[Edited 2011-05-07 04:24:45]

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15285 times:

Hey Guys,

First time poster here in the NZ forum, please forgive me if this question was covered in on of your other NZ threads. When will the NZ staff begin wearing their new uniforms? Have the designs changed much due to feedback from what was initially announced?

There are ongoing rumours in MEL that QF are about to loose the NZ ground handling contract, anyone aware of any truth to this?

Cheers Guys.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15239 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know what such problems would be? I initially thought too much fuel may have been loaded into one wing over the other, but surely the 77W has a cross-feed fuel transfer system?

Presuming there was not an underlying engineering fault. I don't know about the reason in this instance. Fuel loading/transfer itself is time consuming - especially adjusting half way though.

-Overfuelled above the required amount for the flight, which required redistribution to be brought back in trim
-Late revision to loadsheet which caused load alteration of some sort eg: cargo pallets offloaded for some reason and also required adjustment of fuel load balance as a result (unlikely).

I think you'll find with C class 'A zone' it is just the preferred cabin due to uninterrupted boarding, preflight drinks etc.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15227 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):

AFAIK it's the end of this month for the new uniforms. Can't answer anything else I'm afraid.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15035 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 203):
I don't understand this. If you work for NZ (or are in the travel industry) you get duty travel flights which don't earn FFP points. So how are you here to make comparisons?

Duty travel is used when travelling on business.

I travel for leisure on a very frequent basis and travel on regular airfares. I can't go into the peaks but I earn airpoints and status points with it. Not that I need to justify this with you.

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 6):
To me it seems PMR was quite a large market before NZ pulled the plug on freedom

In my own opinion PMR, DUD, HLZ, ROT offer limited outbound travel, ROT might be the exception given it's cultural tourism infrastructure. I've never seen any of these ports as long term International gateways.

What I would like to see is seasonal routes, similar to what Japan had over the past two summers. I know DUD is seasonal now but perhaps even just 6 flights sold only as packages with accommodation.

These are huge in Europe and could work here if there was a novelty factor in them.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14968 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
When will the NZ staff begin wearing their new uniforms? Have the designs changed much due to feedback from what was initially announced?

International Cabin Crew will launch the uniform in late May. All other staff transition over in September.


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14889 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
-Overfuelled above the required amount for the flight, which required redistribution to be brought back in trim

hmm i guess this is a possibility too.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
I think you'll find with C class 'A zone' it is just the preferred cabin due to uninterrupted boarding, preflight drinks etc.

Yeah, I think people want to sit as far forward as possible regardless of how crowded it is. I certainly would go for the rear cabin if it only had 3 people in it! As the cabin crew said to her when she boarded "enjoy your private jet". I notice this domestically in space plus aswell, rows 2ABC and 2DEF are always relatively full. While they are the better seats and provide better leg room, I would still prefer to have an entire row of 'regular' space+ to myself, say row 5,7 or 8...


User currently offlinedugong From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14884 times:

Last week, April 26, I was leaving Auckland for Brisbane on a return sector of a China Airlines ticket, had checked in online, went to the echeckin queue, was told by the NZ handling agent that my ticket had been 'flagged' for possible fraudulent activity (bought in Feb with my card), asked to show the CC I had used to purchase said ticket online, then told to sign an indemnity form so that China Airlines would be assured payment (it had long ago cleared my account) and in the process the agent had to go and get the form in English (there was one in Chinese), get me to fill it in, return to copy it (at my insistence); meanwhile the queue behind the 'fast' e-checkin line had grown to more than a dozen (my brother and his wife were next in line). The agent said he was following rules, then at the end of the whole sorry saga a purple jacketed CI person in some sort of position called over and said it needn't be done - "Don't worry!" Compared to my BNE e-checkin (a fast breeze) this was verging on comedy. Any other dealings re CI like this? Oh, this 'saga' took more than 12 minutes. During this whole episode I made frequent complaints of the idiocy of the circumstance, but the flight ended up being very good (I have flown BNE AMS return with them before) and I had calmed down long before departure, but it makes a mockery of e-checkin lines.

User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14816 times:

Quoting dugong (Reply 14):
this 'saga' took more than 12 minutes

Hardly the worlds longest delay!

Quoting dugong (Reply 14):
During this whole episode I made frequent complaints of the idiocy of the circumstance

Perhaps this dragged things out.

Without knowing the issues factually it's hard to comment on this.


User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14766 times:

Air NZ plane makes emergency landing

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10724250

An Air New Zealand passenger aircraft with more than 100 on board was forced to make an emergency landing in Hamilton this morning after one of its engines shut down mid-flight.

There were 101 people on board the Boeing 737, which was heading to Auckland from Wellington.

The plane touched down safely and nobody was hurt.


Good to see that nobody was hurt. Anybody know which registration it was?

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14598 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
- CZ comes to AKL

Just learned that not only is the New Zealand government spending $4 million over the next 3 years promoting CZ's new flights, Auckland Airport has given CZ free billboard ads as well. CZ ads are just everywhere in and around AKL. That's really phenomenal to see that New Zealand is really going out of the way to get CZ to fly here.


User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14450 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 17):
Auckland Airport has given CZ free billboard ads as well. CZ ads are just everywhere in and around AKL.

I also actually saw some CZ billboards at WLG! The government really is trying hard to keep CZ flying here.

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14162 times:

Dont quote me, but I heard through colleagues, that is was ZK-NGD.

Regards

NZCH



Airlines flown: BA,BD,NZ,SQ,FR,ZB,EK,JQ
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14149 times:
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Quoting NZCH (Reply 19):
Dont quote me, but I heard through colleagues, that is was ZK-NGD.

Yes NGD was the ship involved.

NZ1


User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 20):
Yes NGD was the ship involved.

Well I guess I can count myself very lucky since I flew on NGD on Saturday also on AKL-WLG.....

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 18):
I also actually saw some CZ billboards at WLG! The government really is trying hard to keep CZ flying here.

I haven't seen any in chch, has anyone seen any here? or is the eq effecting advertisements somehow?


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

I saw all five NZ 767's in Auckland two Saturdays ago (albeit with one about to depart) Anyone know if this is a regular occurrence?

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 7):
NAN went so well that in an effort to keep it going they changed the schedule to PMR-HLZ-NAN towards the end as the loads were so appalling from both centres. Trying to grow a market does not always work. SJ tried running HLZ-SYD five days a week for one summer season before admiting defeat (on a side note, DJ also tried and also pulled HLZ-SYD because of terrible loadings).

Loads on HLZ-BNE aren't that flash either. They're a standing joke at PB.



It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13861 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 23):
I saw all five NZ 767's in Auckland two Saturdays ago (albeit with one about to depart) Anyone know if this is a regular occurrence?

I think I was working that day, but I can't remember the details...It was probably something similar to the following. there were a couple of a/c u/s in the intl fleet which meant that with a delay or two, an up-gauge to a 77E/744 of a usual 763 flight (leaving one spare on a layover) meaning that all five happened to be around AKL momentarily.

It's not usual though. 2-3 is more standard.


25 koruman : I'm usually forthright about what I love about Air NZ (the staff, the long-haul product and the network) and what I don't like (certain management dec
26 KiwiRob : Is it just for GE or are they also banking Gold, I'm going to lose Gold this year.
27 HLZCPH : I assume NGD is needing an engine change. Is there a spare in AKL or will one have to be brought up from CHC?
28 ZKSUJ : I see Eagle had a 1900 with an engine loss from GS this afternoon too. I find it amazing how the press are very quick to jump onto the ''OMG I'm going
29 aerorobnz : It's that time in the media cycle again... Publicity goes thru the roof for the new aircraft, the muppet and Richard Simmons, then it plateaus for a
30 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Some would argue none of these would generate any good publicity for NZ
31 koruman : In another thread I have written of how I see NZ, VA/DJ and EY ultimately changing the long-haul network. I'd like to put my understanding of how it m
32 A330NZ : This is almost certain to happen sooner or later I'd go as far as to say they are pretty much 'Sleeping with eachother'[Edited 2011-05-08 22:19:45]
33 NZ2 : Hey Koruman, sorry I may be missing something, what does 'bank' years of GE status mean? I am only gold so maybe I was not included in the advice fro
34 NZ6 : It means that he has earn't more than enough Status points over the past few years so if he stopped travelling for any reason he would keep his Gold
35 aerokiwi : Interesting - the 737s always seemed the better fit (cheap leases, sufficiently modern, reliable, fast turnarounds, lighter frames, low maintenance c
36 aerorobnz : hundreds and hundreds of people have joined during the 'free' period. I've seen the applications come off many flights
37 aerokiwi : Oh I don't doubt that. So in NZ's eye that probably increases their liability. Sorry I should've been clearer - does anyone actually pay the $50 fee?
38 mariner : I did. mariner
39 xiaotung : I did back in 2003 when they rewarded me 1000 Airpoints (the old kms) for joining. The way I understand it is now that you won't get as many points a
40 Unclekoru : Thanks for the reply, thought it may be fairly unusual. So did I, never received 1000 (free) Airpoints though!
41 NZ107 : They did the exact same thing a year ago so I guess they might have noticed it was worth it to get some loyalty going.. But yes, I also ask the quest
42 NZCH : To my knowledge, an engine is being rebuilt here in chch as we speak for use on NGD, due to be finished this wednesday. NZCH
43 aerokiwi : True, good points. The discrepancy between being rewarded for using the airline and using its partners grows ever more. I paid the $50 fee as well, b
44 mariner : The airlines created a monster they can't kill. At least in other countries, FF programs bring in major ancillary income, offset by the fact that peo
45 sunrisevalley : Can I use points from other * carriers ( like AC) to buy upgrades on NZ?
46 nascarnut : Aircraft was EAR. Aircraft returned to service same day and operated a GIS-TRG-AKL sector
47 xiaotung : Yes, it's part of what they call Star Alliance Upgrade Awards (SAUA) but you will need to purchase an eligible booking class ticket on NZ first.
48 nascarnut : Air NZ is planning to operate a special 1-off AKL-LAS flight as part of it's Grab-a-seat promotion Scheduled to operate 07th Aug. NZ1014 etd AKL 1715
49 A330NZ : Why doesn't NZ have a FF program that fits in better with the rest of *A, I think they should use miles, not dollars, like Miles and More, Kris Flyer
50 aklrno : Four days on the ground in mid August at LAS? I hope they have a plan for dealing with the heat. If they don't plan to run the APU for 4 days (during
51 nascarnut : Looks like ZK-NQC 737-200QC is on it's way to CHC now to pick up engine. ETA in CHC is 1720 10th May. It is then turning around and heading up to HLZ
52 Post contains links v2fix : If you want to see the excitment (sic) of NGD landing at Hamilton - check out : http://youtu.be/CRyCHXRD_Sg?hd=1 Sad day when you rely on YouTube for
53 HLZCPH : Thanks for the update It may be nightshifts for the team, unless the demand to get it back is not high? I wonder if they are using Eagles hanger? Wea
54 nascarnut : Just wondering if anyone has an update on why AR has LV-CEK A340-300 sitting in AKL. Looks odd seeing the all white A340 with just the logo and name o
55 aerorobnz : It departs on the 12th to MNL.
56 Post contains links v2fix : Quietly released - the MTOW for the 789 has been increased by just over 3.5 metric tonnes. Wonder what that does for some of the NZ planned long and t
57 Kaiarahi : But be aware that (unlike AC and many other airlines) you can't verify availability on NZ before buying the ticket. I've been caught buying a ticket
58 NZ1 : Aircraft is in Hamilton Aero's hangar. Engine has been sent from CHC, and should be all complete by late tomorrow. NZ1
59 xiaotung : I was told there were still tests being run between NZ and AC, and between NZ and JJ which might have been the reason. They are just not that committ
60 nascarnut : NGD has completed engine change. Is positioning back to CHC tonight Will operate as NZ6501 etd HLZ 1830 eta CHC 1940 It will then spend at least a da
61 NZ6 : I stress this again and again the *A is more than a FFP program! Why would NZ have a FFP program which suited other airlines, they are still independ
62 xiaotung : That's interesting. From a customer point of view, *A is all about FFP's. The idea of a loyalty programme is for your customers to like it, hence the
63 NZ6 : Yes and you are a member of an Airline's program. One which suits you. The benefit of the Alliance with regards to FFP points is you can earn on part
64 xiaotung : 100%. The question is whether Airpoints appeal to most of NZ's customers. If not, they should be reviewed. If you don't think that's necessary then N
65 Post contains links SCL767 : For those interested, LAN has finally created a website for customers in New Zealand: http://www.lan.com/en_nz/sitio_personas/index.html
66 zkeye : Does anyone know why there have been 2 NZ 744s parked in Christchurch since Monday (at least they were there on Monday when I left and again today whe
67 NZ6 : Why wouldn't it? Most members are not "frequent" travelers so earning points via non air partners (Flybuys, Banks, Retails shops.... ) would suit the
68 nascarnut : It's cheaper to park them in CHC than AKL. They are currently surplus to requirement and parking space in AKL is tight during the day .
69 Kaiarahi : Amongst other reasons, because there's a risk that * partners will eventually get pissed off providing an incentive for their members to fly NZ which
70 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Jetstar plans Dunedin-Auckland link Finally.. Jetstar announces AKL-DUD. A pity it can't connect to QF25/26 though.. But I've already flown into DUD o
71 aerorobnz : You are as usual correct. While they may or may not use their accounts to accrue points on the flight they are most definitely there - they use which
72 Kaiarahi : Thank you. I mentioned YVR-AKL specifically, because it has the largest number of AC FFs. I'm part of an AC FF focus group that is regularly polled o
73 Post contains links NZ107 : Aussie pilots angered by Kiwi Wallaby plane Haha.. If you didn't know, a Wallabies livery has been put on a Jetconnect plane. But then again, not many
74 aerokiwi : And you'd be right, but you set yourself up to be just that so no surprises there. What you're missing is that the people giving you feedback are by
75 Post contains links NZ107 : And something we've all been waiting for.. The announcement of removing a row in Y+ on the 77Ws. Air NZ boosts legroom in Premium Economy Spaceseats T
76 timb777 : Good find NZ107. 6 inches will surely make quite a big difference. Seems to be about the same difference as between 733 space plus and 767 J. 'A' sea
77 koruman : Oh dear. I have NZ6 as a Respected Member, but he is really highlighting where Air NZ senior management is going seriously wrong at the moment, with
78 A330NZ : I would've thought they'd put a 744 on this route in the meantime, On the topic of the 744, how long are CHC's jumbo visitors staying there for?
79 NZerinDXB : Simple answer to this is yes. Travel rewards are aspirational to New Zealanders and the programme will continue to be a success despite a reduction i
80 xiaotung : Well, another NZ employee? In a perfect world maybe but don't you know that people could simply abandon NZ and move to another airline and/or another
81 aerokiwi : That does sound pretty shabby. And pretty much discredits the NZ focus on premium passengers if true. Assuming the demand for higher classes is there
82 Kaiarahi : Good as far as it goes, but ... the other part of the problem is having to stick your legs into a small box for 12 hours. Hopefully, something will b
83 koruman : Premium Economy has really turned into a nightmare for the airline, hasn't it? They have gone from nine abreast to six abreast in the same 777 cabin,
84 Kaiarahi : I couldn't agree more. My loyalty was cemented when I moved to Canada as a graduate student in 1976 and thereafter flew Y for many years. It's only i
85 xiaotung : I keep wondering if Rob has been giving his executive team too much freedom. The "be yourself" or "not be afriad of making mistakes" approach might h
86 Post contains links darenw : Another award for Air NZ http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...tigious-conde-nast-traveller-award
87 Zkpilot : Well considering Ralph Norris was in charge when the 77E was ordered with its 3-3-3 and 33" seat pitch I doubt he would have increased it to 34". You
88 joelyboy911 : Just a second installment to my post in the last thread (since 77W cabins are being talked about again). In the last days I've returned from my long v
89 Post contains links Zkpilot : What do you guys think about this? Boeing Receive 8 New 777 Orders (by PanAm_DC10 May 12 2011 in Civil Aviation) NZ perhaps? If so I would think 2x77W
90 PA515 : Air NZ cannot have 'unidentified' orders as Stock Exchange rules require an announcement. PA515
91 Zkpilot : Or they can (hence why unidentified) pending approval and announcement, or... as they are part of compensation for the 787 delays the first couple of
92 joelyboy911 : I'm a little confused about the idea of delay compensation on 787s. I assume the purchase contracts have late-delivery related clauses, but how much
93 Post contains images kiwimex : Turn them into revenue earners. CHC-GDL-MAN
94 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I would expect that anything as material as entering into a lease agreement would need to be disclosed. One explanation might be that NZ has signed w
95 Post contains links PA515 : I believe a lease commitment would need to be disclosed. www.nzx.com/market-supervision/rules/ Continuous Disclosure Listed issuers (companies and ot
96 Post contains images NZ2 : This very poor picture was from back in late January in AKL, picture from EK A380 and we are heading straight at an NZ 744. I noticed it several more
97 aerorobnz : that's the engine run bay. HA 763s, Nz 763s, AR A340s, Airwork 732s/733s/F27s and C580s all are known to use it. It may be due to the extended idle p
98 PA515 : Just did a search and found some Air Finance Journal items. As I'm not a subscriber I only got the beginning of each. 04 January 2011 Air New Zealand
99 aerorobnz : In the thread about the 8 unidentified orders I was dreaming about the possibility of NZ ordering 77Ls, not really being realistic about them. The lik
100 joelyboy911 : I'd just like to repost/rephrase a couple of key questions of mine, if that's ok? They seem to have fallen by the wayside a bit. Can anyone estimate t
101 Post contains links PA515 : There's nothing in the Annual Report. In December 2010 Rob Fyfe said there are compensation arrangements that he can't discuss publicly. A comparison
102 NZ107 : 0. Boeing don't believe they owe any compensation. If there was a likelihood of compensation, there are chances it could show up in NZ's notes to the
103 777ER : Air NZ and Virgin Australia/Pacific Blue have announced their codesharing which takes effect in November NZ will operate 70% of all Tasman services wi
104 alangirvan : This looks as though it will be a good service - it will be good to have Virgin Australia operating DUD-MEL/SYD. If Virgin Australia feel tempted to k
105 pilotdude09 : Very interesting, wonder what the 8th service would be, instead of the usual flight times and whether it would provide better connections to the USA
106 NZ107 : Apparently NZ is going to be doing a charter in July, 744: HKG-CDG 15 Jul arriving CDG 0700, returning to HKG departing CDG 17 Jul 2330.
107 ZK-NBT : Also a 744 charter to LAS again this year sometime, I think its in another thread on here. PER is interesting in terms of schedules other than the cu
108 NZ107 : Isn't that for the Grabaseat flight or is there another LAS charter?
109 ZK-NBT : You may well be right, I just recall reading it somewhere.
110 aerokiwi : Strange. I thought part of the condition of the alliance gaining approval was for there to be no reduction in capacity for three years. Or have I got
111 PA515 : Possibly the above on a Sunday. Air NZ codeshares on SA via PER and there is a Sat JNB-PER 1610/0740 346, Sun PER-JNB 1120/1635 346. SA's other fligh
112 777ER : Wouldn't surprise me considering NZ is basically off the route come November with their own metal.
113 Zkpilot : IIRC it was WLG capacity that couldn't be reduced + overall capacity. As for other specific ports I dont think there was any particular restriction
114 kiwiandrew : Firstly , I believe the restrictions in place were on specific routes . Secondly , these sort of agreements are complex and I cannot believe that any
115 aerokiwi : Which kind of renders conditions placed on these sorts of anti-competitive tie-ups somewhere in the realm of wet bus tickets. Given the impact this a
116 kiwiandrew : That is utter nonsense . Demand on Trans Tasman routes in/out of CHC has plummeted because of extraordinary circumstances ie the earthquake and ongoi
117 Post contains images gasman : Can someone please verify that I was treated according to company policy yesterday? Booked to fly HKK-AKL via CHC on a smart saver. Booked on last fli
118 TG992 : I find the later cancellation and inconvenience to you to be completely irrelevant - the staff member was unable to foresee the engineering issues tha
119 gasman : Weather issues (particulary out of HKK) and mechanical issues happen often. In a situation like yesterday's I would've thought it just makes plain go
120 aerokiwi : No, but was why I was asking how it fit given the conditions imposed on NZ and DJ for their alliance by competition authorities. Evidently the condit
121 aerokiwi : Agreed. I've had this happen out of Wellington on several occasions. Twice I have been on non-upgradeable tickets and been put on an earlier flight b
122 gasman : Cheers! It seems to me that the airline wants to have it both ways. There seems to be an expectation that travellers simply take weather and mechanic
123 TG992 : I disagree that allowing someone to travel early is done without cost to the airline. If it creates a precedent for someone who then books a cheapie i
124 kiwiandrew : They made a commitment not to reduce capacity in an anti-competitive way, that is a completely different thing from reducing capacity due to a natura
125 gasman : - because it would've been nice; - because it would've hurt no-one; - because this was standby - as indicated above, I feel that's kind of different;
126 TG992 : - Yes, it would have. - I disagree as per my post above. - I disagree standby is materially any different. - Yes, you're a valued customer. This doesn
127 Post contains images gasman : Oh sweet Mother of all that is pure and Holy - yes!!!!!
128 Post contains links A330NZ : http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...rd-for-christchurch-airport-grass/ Who'd of thought that CHC's grass would win an award?!
129 aerokiwi : Isn't NZ supposed to be the "matey" airline? You know, the one that encourages personable customer service and down-to-earth "kiwi values"? I would'v
130 aotearoa : I see that the Group GM Australasia mentioned that a couple of new Tasman routes are possible under the new Virgin/Air New Zealand alliance. To quote
131 joelyboy911 : That's clever! I'm sure they'll sell plenty of it too. I prefer to dream that PMR-BNE or PMR-SYD would be reinstated... however I don't realistically
132 NZ107 : Qantas don't allow it either on the cheap fares. I tried and was basically told to pay for a new ticket if I wanted to go on the earlier flight. You
133 aerorobnz : Sure it is - and they are within the parameters that are set, but there are operational procedures set for a reason, we must be seen to be fair and b
134 zkojh : ''couple of potential new trans Tasman routes, which we will likely make a decision on before the end of the year". I'm going for either; WLG-CBR-WLG
135 gasman : Nonsense. When I fly internationally, the purser comes to me inflight and thanks me personally and by name for flying Air NZ. That's not listed on th
136 Post contains images Unclekoru : So do I. Haven't been there for a while now but HKK turns were always a favorite. A really good crew.
137 gemuser : Not in my exprience. QF/JQ & DJ have always offered the earlier flight when I have checked in early enough on SYD-MEL & SYD-BNE. QantasLink/Z
138 Post contains links kiwimex : As per the Mexican thread, Mexico and Australia have just signed a bilateral treaty. Allows for any airport to any airport with any intermediate stops
139 gemuser : Why would they do that when SYD-MEX would be possible? MEX-SYD MIGHT be a different animal/ Gemuser
140 gasman : And in fact, Air NZ do too. Over the last 8 years I have done it SYD-AKL; LAX-AKL; and most recently (last December)WLG-AKL. On none of these situati
141 kiwiandrew : With the (sometimes) hot and (always) high conditions at MEX I would think that the return MEX-AKL would be a challenging sector. In any case I just
142 aerokiwi : Out of context, this seems reasonable. But the situation Gasman describes isn't this at all. And evidently the cat is already out of the bag, as a pr
143 DavidByrne : Well, the airline itself has talked up AKL-HBA, and AKL-CBR and WLG-CBR as possibilities in the past. From NZ's point of view, increasing competition
144 kiwimex : The same reason AR do EZE-AKL-SYD and LA do SCL-AKL-SYD ? Whatever that may be.
145 aerohottie : My thoughts... WLG-CBR-WLG yes (government traffic) WLG-HBA-WLG no (doesn't warrant the traffic for a direct service) AKL-CBR-AKL yes (connections to
146 alangirvan : One city pair which would be good for tourism would be ADL-CHC. Many Australians like to fly into one NZ city and fly home from another. Christchurch
147 koruman : As an OOL resident, I'm still waiting to see whether flights to Auckland will be operated by NZ or Virgin. If it's the latter we will regain our Busin
148 gemuser : Neither AR nor LA have aircraft that can do these non stop, QF does and uses it to EZE. I seriously doubt that they have sufficient need to buy a lon
149 A330NZ : I hope so! Our tourism industry really needs a boost at the moment!! As well, with a large increase of filghts from AKL-CNS, would they be possibly e
150 xiaotung : It has been confirmed by Bruce on ourairnz.co.nz that DJ will not add Business Class to the trans-Tasman flights.
151 aerorobnz : I thought that would be the case.
152 aerokiwi : I flew NZ Wellington-Auckland last Friday. A guy ahead of me in the queue had completely mucked up and not realised his flight was the departure an h
153 mariner : With oil at these prices, I would fall over in shock if they were making money CHC-WLG at $49. At $69, maybe. Maybe. If it offends you, you could dri
154 motorhussy : Is his loyalty to NZ well affirmed? I was 2-minutes late for a work flight on JQ from WLG-AKL. I had no check-in baggage. The check-in man (boy) took
155 777ER : On one of my long haul NZ flights in the last year a business class/Y+ FA came to me in Y and greeted me by my first name and thanked me for flying N
156 koruman : Qantas and Jetstar's new product repositioning leaves Air New Zealand in the unwelcome position of being anchored to rock bottom of the market across
157 NZ107 : I'm seeing it as $120 on Tasman flights and $130 on the AKL-SIN route. $25 for domestic routes in NZ.
158 xiaotung : If QF was offering a NZ Gold/Gold Elite status match I believe a lot of people would jump ship. John Whittaker says the Airpoints changes will come i
159 KiwiRob : Isn't that rather daft, commuting 2 hours to spend 3 hours in a more comfortable seat, I'd rather sit in the (not much) less comfortable seat and not
160 zkojh : JetStar Airways from 14JUL11 is launching Auckland – Dunedin Daily service, on board Airbus A320 aircraft. This service is currently subject to Gove
161 koruman : If I fly from OOL, I sit for one to two hours in the ordinary terminal then have to sit in Economy and earn 50 Airpoints on a $500 AKL return or 90 A
162 Kaiarahi : Similar to flying on a NZ Y+ ticket YUL/YOW/YYZ-AKL. Even though I'm paying a roughly 50% premium, NZ books the YUL/YOW/YYZ-LAX/SFO/YVR segment on the
163 mariner : If the bilateral gives an Australian airline rights beyond Mexico to a third country, then yes, in a heartbeat. SYD-AKL-MEX (or GDL) - and then on to
164 aerokiwi : Simply pointing out the impact of competition on the consumer and a possible (likely) future on the Tasman now that DJ and NZ have effectively merged
165 mariner : Almost certainly that which needs to happen. We know, as a matter of record, how much Virgin Blue lost on NZ domestic operations. mariner
166 kiwimex : It does. I don't think USA is possible. Still restricted. Routes between US and Mexican cities have restrictions as to number of airlines operating,
167 gemuser : If the new Australia/Mexico bilateral gives Aussie airlines all beyond rights, as you say in reply 133 then Mexico-USA is perfectly possible as the A
168 aerokiwi : Needs to happen for who, exactly? An airline's profitability is of no immediate concern to me. Longer term, perhaps as an airline pulls out of a rout
169 mariner : Then we differ. An airline's profitability is of concern to me, I don't expect my travels to be subsidized by the airline. And while I am not aware o
170 kiwimex : That could make things very interesting indeed.
171 A330NZ : Is JQ going to invest in a smaller aircraft to connect the smaller destinations in the NZ domestic market? I say this because JQ probably won't want t
172 Post contains images Aflyingkiwi : Well considering the fact that JQ don't operate anything smaller than an A320 in their Australian operations, I think the chances of seeing any small
173 Post contains images joelyboy911 : I think it will be too difficult for Jetstar to operate their low-cost model with turboprops or other regional aircraft. I also think that Qantas (Gr
174 PA515 : There are changes to the Pacific Island flights in Air NZ's Nov 2011 to Mar 2012 Timetable. 763 flights to NAN, TBU and APW have been replaced or rear
175 timb777 : I have a question in relation to the LHR crew base that someone may be able to answer. Are pilots based at LHR, or is it just a cabin crew base? I alw
176 aerorobnz : That is correct. Only Cabin Crew + Concierge are based in London. Same as PVG. Pilots operate AKL-HKG-LHR-HKG-AKL or AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL. Same as the
177 koruman : I really should apologise to the likes of Bruce Parton and Rob Fyfe for having written earlier in this thread that I was considering moving my loyalty
178 aerorobnz : Glad we have redeemed ourselves somewhat K'man. Sorry for your loss.
179 767er : Sorry to hear of your loss Koruman. There really is nothing worse than being overseas when something dreadful like this happens. I am not at all surpr
180 timb777 : Ahha, so he was right. That must be a long time way from home. 2 nights hong kong and 3 London? So around 7 or 8 nights away from AKL? Or is it longe
181 Post contains images A330NZ : When I read this, it reminded me how I strongly believed CX was going to start flying to CHC pretty soon, but then the earthquake happened, but if it
182 aerorobnz : Both in operation currently. NBV operated NZ8/7 arriving back this morning, don't know what the other rego but in Auckland anyway... SUH operated NZ8
183 alangirvan : Remember CX is not the only Hong Kong based airline. Hong Kong Airlines is adding A330-200s to their fleet, and they may be interested in cities whic
184 Unclekoru : I believe it's back for NW11. The longest TOD is 14 days, although the majority are between 10 and 12 days.
185 timb777 : I didn't realise that CX were looking at CHC, interesting. Would be a good market for an aircraft of the 332 size. Don't QF / Jetconnect's new 738's
186 Post contains images A330NZ : Further proves my point, now an amost inevitable terminal change! I said CX due to the fact it already has crew here, and a larger amount of connecti
187 NZ107 : I doubt it. They have connections with JQ so if they were doing so well through those connections, it'd be looked at but AKL would be sure to stay do
188 A330NZ : And NZ, and QF, and DJ, so with so many different options, they must be selling quite a few seats to CHC, I searched return flights from CHC-HKG for
189 Post contains images Zkpilot : The new 738s which will do all the Tasman flying have IFE in all seats. I think there is 1-2 more to come.
190 kiwimex : It's not a recession, it's a correction from a global super-bubble fed by imaginary credit that wasn't really there. This is the new normal - with mo
191 nascarnut : Air NZ has just completed an extension to the ramp outside the main widebody hangers. There is now additional space to park 2 more 747's. By parking
192 Post contains images A330NZ : I was unaware of this... It's good that QF is trying to put out a good product As a year 10 highschool student, I'm slightly confused by this, but th
193 Post contains images A330NZ : I would've pressed the edit post button, but for some reason it isn't showing up But kiwimex, I finally got what you meant (I learnt that in business
194 aerorobnz : Oamaru didn't work either, I don't really think it's very likely NZ would fly it.
195 A330NZ : Oamaru is only 3 hours drive from Christchurch, and most busses stop there on their way to Dunedin, So the amount of connections were much greater, c
196 nascarnut : Air NZ will initiate following capacity increases for Northern Winter AKL - PEK will go from 2 to 3 777-200 per week year round AKL - PVG will go from
197 darenw : When are we going to see a new International route? Air NZ has been standing still for years.
198 ZK-NBT : Not really, the 787 delays haven't helped and now fuel has gone up again in recent times. By that I guess you mean the 744s of which this schedule ne
199 NZ107 : That's right - towards the end of the year, they'll be switching to daily. Looks like an upgrade of aircraft to something like the 77W for CX wouldn'
200 gardermoen : China Airlines last month launched TPE-AKL, albeit via BNE. Three times weekly A330 service.
201 NZ107 : I realise that. But a lot are still skeptical about the safety of China Airlines too and would much rather take the comforts of CX back. I wonder if
202 nz2 : Hi all, I am sitting in AKL koru lounge waiting on a flight to SYD, the inbound 763 from Perth was delayed landing by fog and also had some sort of em
203 nascarnut : The 0900 will be a 777-300 ZK-OKM. Cancellation of Flt101 was due to a flap defect. Nothing major.
204 nz2 : Cheers for this, they have put me in 23J, front row PE cabin. I flew to MEL last Sat in 24A on the same aircraft so this will be another good chance
205 ZK-NBT : Agree. I would doubt CX would send the 77W here with the current configuration on a regular basis for that reason. I do wonder with so many on order
206 Post contains links A330NZ : I'm just quenstioning why Jet Airways has a New Zealand website, when it doesn't operate or codeshare here (to my knowledge)? http://www.jetairways.co
207 joelyboy911 : Because it costs next to nothing to establish and makes it easier for New Zealanders to book Jet Airways flights - in English and pay in $NZD. I'm su
208 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 96 which can be found here: New Zealand Avi
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