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UA Adding OKC-SFO  
User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9080 times:

Finally got it after years of trying. From OKC UA now serves in addition to SFO...IAD, LAX, DEN, IAH, ORD, and EWR.

http://www.flyokc.com/releases/UA%20...nces%20New%20OKC-SFO%20Service.pdf

CHICAGO, May 9, 2011 – United Airlines (NYSE: UAL) today announced daily nonstop service between
Oklahoma City’s Will Rogers World Airport and the airline’s hub at San Francisco International Airport, beginning
Aug. 29, 2011.

Flight 6241 will depart Oklahoma City at 7:14 a.m. and arrive in San Francisco at 8:50 a.m. The return flight
6240 will depart San Francisco at 4:00 p.m. and arrive in Oklahoma City at 9:16 p.m. United Express carrier SkyWest
Airlines will operate the flights using Canadair CRJ7 regional jet aircraft with 66 seats - - six in first class, 28 in
Economy Plus and 32 in economy

[Edited 2011-05-09 12:22:31]

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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8833 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Thread starter):
SFO...IAD, LAX, DEN, IAH, ORD, and EWR.

Pretty impressive. OKC has great coverage via all of the network carriers and this just another one. I wonder if they could fill a 73G to SEA?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9592 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8691 times:

I find it odd that the flight only connects to the Asian bank of departures in one direction. Asia-SFO-OKC would require a 6-10 hour layover. However a 4pm departure does put the flight in one of the banks of departures from SFO, so I guess there will be some feed for it.


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8692 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 1):
Pretty impressive. OKC has great coverage via all of the network carriers and this just another one. I wonder if they could fill a 73G to SEA?

Wonder if they could fill a 73G to IAD, ORD, or EWR? All are flown by RJs. I believe DEN gets 320s...



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User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Asia-SFO-OKC would require a 6-10 hour layover.

Not all the Asia-SFO flights get in that early. ICN-SFO doesn't arrive until 11:23; SYD-SFO arrives at 11:01. Plan for 90 minutes through immigration/baggage/customs/security, and it's already 1:00 p.m., so more like a 3-hour wait. Not ideal, but not 10 hours, either. I guess you could still connect via DEN, LAX or IAH and get to OKC sooner if you did arrive in SFO at 8:30 a.m., which is when PVG-SFO arrives (the first inbound Asian flight to SFO if I'm not mistaken).


User currently offline9W748Capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

way to go OKC - with the new AA service to LAX, really quite an impressive list of coastal flights. It'd be sweet to see another nonstop to NYC, but the logistics and demand probably aren't there at present.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

Quoting 9W748Capt (Reply 5):

If UA gave OKC a chance I'm pretty sure they could fill a daily 73G or 738 to EWR or IAD. Definitely ORD.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):

This has become common with these new Midwest flights operating in the afternoon banks. There just is not space available during the 1pm bank. Notice many of the newer addition flights operate at these times. PIT/MSY/MCI/OKC. This works well for a/c utilization as well so they can RON at the out station. I'll try and find out where they plan to arrive this flight in the morning at SFO. At 9am things have been running at capacity with many flights waiting for gates when the weather is good and they arrive ontime or early. With UAL taking over above ground operations, we have been actually operating RJ's from the international gates, though not common.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 1):
I wonder if they could fill a 73G to SEA?

I would say that SEA doesn't have enough pax per day, but SFO was only 128 ppd with a lower average fare as well. UA already controlled 33% of the market, so this may have made it pretty attractive. I would also imagine the thriving business community (Devon, Chesapeake, etc) help land these new routes easier than if they were. Of course you only have to look at our skyline to know how the city is doing (the new Devon Tower is the building on the right at roughly 40 of the planned 50 floors before they put the crown on top).


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 3):
Wonder if they could fill a 73G to IAD, ORD, or EWR? All are flown by RJs. I believe DEN gets 320s...

Yah right...we only have a single flight to EWR on an ER4...and the loads aren't that good most of the time.


User currently onlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2774 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Good add for OKC. Should do well. This is now, what 7/8 USA hubs served to OKC? Not too shabby.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 9):
Yah right...we only have a single flight to EWR on an ER4...and the loads aren't that good most of the time.

You also have to consider, how much traffic might be lost due to the fact of someone not wanting to sit on an ERJ for 3+hrs (even longer if delayed out/into EWR). Plus, no premium cabin.

I would like to see them to swap the E145 with an E170 or CRJ7. See if some added comfort will attract passengers who might normally connect in IAH or ORD, to avoid sitting on the 145 for 3+ hrs.

The airport director for OKC did mention about 6 months ago that in a meeting with CO, that they (CO) did mention the possibility of upgrading the EWR flight to a mainline flight. For what it's worth, might have just been preliminary talk which amounted to nothing. Maybe the route will do better now that the UA and CO FF bases will combine, and there might be more passengers willing to take the nonstop from the PMUA side.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1298 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

AA once flew this route sometime in the late 70s or early 80s

http://www.departedflights.com/SFO79p4.html


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Great to see UA continuing to expand the destination list from SFO, even if it's only a 1x daily CR7.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 8):

OKC also has a large biotech industry. And who has the largest biotech industry, South San Francisco! This was a major factor in OKC landing this route.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 13):
OKC also has a large biotech industry. And who has the largest biotech industry, South San Francisco! This was a major factor in OKC landing this route.

That it was! Details in the story below...

http://newsok.com/united-adds-nonsto...6391?custom_click=headlines_widget

Quote:
James Starnes, United's director of domestic planning, agreed that the flights will connect people working in biosciences in Oklahoma and California.
The nonstop flight will “provide a link between Oklahoma City's growing bioscience community and the established bioscience community in San Francisco,” Starnes said.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Hopefully the industry link will be enough to make this profitable and last. Another Barbie jet is just what OKC needs more of  . I hope demand is so good they can launch a 319 instead OKC needs more mainline destinations

User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 3):
Wonder if they could fill a 73G to IAD, ORD, or EWR? All are flown by RJs. I believe DEN gets 320s...

I was actually thinking AS flying a 73G SEA-OKC. I'm not from the area, but I would think another logical hub for OKC.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 10):
I would like to see them to swap the E145 with an E170 or CRJ7. See if some added comfort will attract passengers who might normally connect in IAH or ORD, to avoid sitting on the 145 for 3+ hrs.

I honestly we are already starting to see the transition to longer E170 and CRJ7 flying to replace the long 145 flights. DTW-IAH has a CRJ7 that replaced an E145 just recently. I bet OKC-EWR has a good shot of becoming an E170 as from what I understand (from here) EWR is where a lot of E170s may be headed.

What about OKC-JFK on a DL CR9? Would there be demand for that route too? I'm not sure what the International demand out of OKC is like to Europe.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6313 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 16):
I'm not from the area, but I would think another logical hub for OKC.

I would think it would have to rely very, very heavily on O&D, and that can create problems. SEA just doesn't offer the connections that SFO does, and those it does offer are often in the wrong direction (i.e. - not many people would fly OKC-SEA-LAX). Asia connections in SEA are okay, but not as good as SFO. And how many connections are there between SEA and OKC, business wise? I know of modest Boeing presence between the two, but not sure what else.

OKC-SEA could work, I think, but I don't think it could work on anything more than an RJ.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 9):
Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 10):

It definitely has to do with CO not trying hard enough to capture local marketshare to New York. Their intent is likely offer the ER4 to EWR for connections to Europe and that's it. This was essentially the same strategy with OMA and STL until they got the 170s from Shuttle America involved and became more competitive (now a 735 is on the route as well.) And not offering a premium cabin on a 3 hour flight is a turn off to elites. I would love to know if high tier CO elites chose to connect in DEN or IAH to EWR to avoid that little sucker.



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User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

A natural addition for UA, linking its major transpacific hub to yet another strong heartland market. This follows in the footsteps of other routes they've recently started like SFO-MCI/COS/ABQ/SAT etc.


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
And how many connections are there between SEA and OKC, business wise? I know of modest Boeing presence between the two, but not sure what else.

The Boeing connection is probably the strongest. With them moving another 500 jobs to OKC and build a new 6 story office building near Tinker AFB (to go with their existing facilities) that connection gets stronger. However, we had this discussion in another thread about how ICT could make the same claim, but failed to sustain SEA service. The biggest issue I see with SEA is that WN currently controls 32% of the market share (largest). This area is extremely loyal to WN and they will ignore nonstop service to take WN if they can. It really shows by how fast they abandoned F9 when WN started DEN service. Also can be explained as to why MCO has always failed from OKC if operated by someone other than WN.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):
Hopefully the industry link will be enough to make this profitable and last. Another Barbie jet is just what OKC needs more of  . I hope demand is so good they can launch a 319 instead OKC needs more mainline destinations

In this environment where many cities are losing air service all together, we'll take what we can get.  

With this addition it gives OKC nonstop service to: EWR, BWI, IAD, ATL, DTW, MSP, ORD, STL, MEM, MCI, DFW, DAL, IAH, HOU, DEN, SLC, LAX, LAS, PHX and SFO. Not a bad looking setup.

http://www.chatokc.com/images/save/okcroutemap.gif


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
I would love to know if high tier CO elites chose to connect in DEN or IAH to EWR to avoid that little sucker.

I would think ORD or IAD would be better routings but I would be curious too...

Even without First Class, I would imagine most business travellers would choose non-stop, they can't afford to waste time connecting and the risk of a delay or missed flight doubles with a connection...


User currently offlinemah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

As a transplanted Philadelphian, I hope US will add routes to either CLT or PHL sometime in the near future. With as many connections as Charlotte offers, one would think there would be enough traffic to start the route. If ATL can support it, why not CLT?

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6313 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 20):
The Boeing connection is probably the strongest.

Not sure if you would know this or not, because I work with them a lot and I don't, but - does Boeing have a contract with one airline, mandating their employees to fly a specific airline? If, for example, they have a contract with UA, any start of AS service to OKC would be severely hampered.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting mah584jr (Reply 22):

As a transplanted Philadelphian, I hope US will add routes to either CLT or PHL sometime in the near future. With as many connections as Charlotte offers, one would think there would be enough traffic to start the route. If ATL can support it, why not CLT?

I think many of us had hoped US would have connected the dots after the HP merger. They had LAS and PHX running with CR9s and it was thought OKC would make a nice connecting point to move the CR9s between East and West. Unfortunately they got crushed by Southwest and ran out of the market. I would imagine CLT would do quite well as Delta is really the only option to the Southeast (unless you go south through Texas). PHL would be a nice addition as well.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 23):
Not sure if you would know this or not, because I work with them a lot and I don't, but - does Boeing have a contract with one airline, mandating their employees to fly a specific airline? If, for example, they have a contract with UA, any start of AS service to OKC would be severely hampered.

No idea. The only agreement I know of is Dell in OKC has an agreement with Southwest, which hosed ExpressJet to AUS when they were here.


25 stock1985 : With Dell's OKC - Austin connection, why hasn't nonstop service begun? I could even see same plane through service to SAT.
26 ouboy79 : Southwest probably could make a daily nonstop work fairly well, but the point becomes why should they went they already control the market through Lo
27 Cubsrule : Also, IIRC, their gate space at AUS is pretty tight.
28 AWACSooner : XE had n/s to both AUS and SAT from OKC a few years back (took the SAT-OKC n/s multiple times myself while I was in Nav school at RND)...and they fai
29 UAL747 : I've frequently avoided the little sucker by connecting through IAH. Sorry, 4 hours on any ERJ is torture. Dell's operation in OKC is small, and not
30 genybustrvlr : I agree but I wish UA would fill in the holes to major cities first, like ATL and MIA.[Edited 2011-05-16 19:57:09]
31 UAL747 : Which happen to be huge hubs of Delta and American respectively?
32 ouboy79 : Well the difference is, and I pointed this out earlier (maybe in another thread) when it came to XE...Southwest still dominated the market. Dell has
33 flyinryan99 : Does OKC have an FIS facility for regularly scheduled flights/charters to Mexico?
34 ouboy79 : Not currently. When CUN charters were operated by Champion before they folded up the inbound flight had to stop in DFW. There are apparently plans to
35 genybustrvlr : Noted, but that doesn't help me. I want the perks that I get from being 1K and the benefit to my mileage account. BTW, following your logic, UA shoul
36 dbo861 : That's the first I've heard about this? What's the timeline for this? Is it going to be an extension of the existing terminal or a new building?
37 9W748Capt : Not sure what you're trying to say. Why on earth would UA fly routes like OKC-MIA, OKC-ATL, or hell - OKC-anything that isn't a CO or UA hub?
38 as739x : Cause San Francisco isn't a major metropolitan area with its 6.1 million people?[Edited 2011-05-18 00:37:34]
39 ouboy79 : Extension of the existing facility. When they built the new terminal, they set it up to do a mirrored concourse on the east side. It will only have a
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