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"UK Aviation Sector In Long-term Decline"  
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Unsurprisingly, the "UK aviation sector in long-term decline" illustrated, for example, by:

1) Passenger counts for all UK airports had again fallen in 2010 by 3.4%, and that a continuous drop over the past three years has resulted in passenger numbers below 2004 levels.

2) Domestic passenger numbers took an even greater hit, declining by 9% in 2010 in comparison with 2009 and the number of aircraft movements in 2010 had fallen to 2001 levels.

In fact, BE are adding a £3 supplement per passenger, supposedly to "optimise passenger yield and streamline capacity in the UK."

Source for all the above: http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...-sector-in-long-term-decline/page1

[Edited 2011-05-09 22:00:01]


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

I am not at all surprised.

The tax burden on passengers is now simply too high, but the UK govt have achieved their aim which was clearly to stifle demand so that no new capacity would be needed, and to raise a bit of revenue on the side.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

APD can be to blame for this... Rip off Britain is truely alive with this tax.

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Taxed over and over.. failing to expand the airports that need it, closing more and more airports insted of opening them. treating every new flight like its satan himself. When all the jobs are lost and other countries are prospering because of the neglect givent to Aviation by the British Govt then we will hear the whining and see the U-turns 10 years to late.

I just dont understand it myself, Aviation creates jobs.. Provides tonnes of revenue. Cities of like 1 or 2 million held to ransome most of the time because 20 or 30 hippies that lived nowhere near the airport when it was built have now moved in. Couple of hundred greeny protestors get their way over the millions of people that fly every year so the flights are taxed over and over until they are impossible to sustain.

Baffling..


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4090 times:

There is a little thing called recession that might clouds the stats a little. You'd probably need to look at figures over a longer period before issuing a prognosis.

User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 995 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
There is a little thing called recession that might clouds the stats a little. You'd probably need to look at figures over a longer period before issuing a prognosis.

See the title of the thread and the title of the article.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 5):
See the title of the thread and the title of the article.

The article talks about 2010, moves on to last year, mentions 2010 again, then finally 2010. None of what is actually stated backs up a conclusion of long term decline, merely that last year, we were in the bone.

I think that will continue for a couple of years while we recover from our decade as an economic crack whore.

But to say there is a long term decline, we'd need to be seeing a steady decrease in activity over the period of a decade or more, not a couple of really bad years.


User currently offlineammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

I think Pe@rson may have a point on the future prospects of the UK when we consider the decisions on infrastructure and taxation, these will only make it more difficult to make a viable business from aviation. However, we are still getting over the recession. Things should continue to improve - but any growth forecasts would need to factor in the additional constraints, i.e. reduced rate of growth. Ultimately, it could become negative in the longer term (once all external factors have been factored) however that would require large investment in alternative modes of transport such as rail/road or a large increase in fuel/APD, green pax tax, changes in pax travel behaviour.

It is a shame to see the UK suffering at the hands of stupid political decisions whilst our EU neighbours capitalise. On the flip side, it is good that we have good services from other carriers haha! I love choice, just wish there was more of it.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
2) Domestic passenger numbers took an even greater hit, declining by 9% in 2010 in comparison with 2009 and the number of aircraft movements in 2010 had fallen to 2001 levels.

As high speed rail expands, this is happening across the world. France and Japan have led the way, Spain and Germany are expanding their high speed lines, even the US is investing in rail, to improve the Washington DC to Boston corridor. Add in a recession and horrendous fuel prices, it's hardly surprising.

When the major airlines stop sending A380s to LHR, then I'll know UK aviation is in decline...



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

This is the first I've hear about this. I guess things have changed a lot since I was there in '93. Well, I'm an optimistic person and I think everything will turn around one day.


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User currently onlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
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1. North American connecting traffic is under threat from EK and other middle eastern airlines;
2. Taxation and sub par airport facilities mean passengers may look to other Euro Gateways for connecting flights;
3. Long range mid-sized aircraft make flying "thinner" routes profitable thus eliminating connections all together;
4. High speed rail makes short haul flying from France etc unnecessary.

Its not any one factor of course but a combination. For those of us who have family in the UK, we'll still fly there (looking fwd to my 31 May trip!). However the proliferation of connection choices means that price and the quality of the place where one catches a connecting flight becomes more important.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting ammunition (Reply 7):
I think Pe@rson

Do note that everything that I stated was, of course, all from the article that I referenced.

[Edited 2011-05-10 21:52:20]


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