nipoel123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9705 times:
According to the Boeing site (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/727family/product.html), the 727 family has a max range of 4020 km, still about 1000 km to short to reach Lisbon. Looks like a long glide...
Tango-Bravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8911 times:
More than one, if not all, of the below apply to 727-23 N800AK... which make it seem altogether plausible that the B721 concerned is capable of 3,100 miles non-stop, especially eastbound...and with favorable tailwinds, all the more so...
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 3): As I recall N800AK is the only 727 passenger ship to have gotten a Rolls-Royce Tay conversion. Maybe that affected its range?
...as evidenced by the bulged #2 engine inlet. Don't know if it's the only 727 to have been retrofitted with with RR Tay engines (didn't UPS convert a fairly considerable number of their 727-100 freighters?)...more on-topic, the Tay's would definitely increase range over a 727 fitted with the original P&Ws.
Seems very likely...iirc, the extra belly tank(s) was frequently used on long-distance delivery and ferry flights and then removed when not needed in everyday service...so it's not like the tanks were a case of 'once installed always installed'.
Quoting United1 (Reply 4): It also has winglets and is a biz jet so I would not doubt that it can make it.
Winglets certainly help...biz jet implies light load...which also serve to 'add up' to increased range.
EMBQA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8752 times:
Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 2): According to the Boeing site (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/727family/product.html), the 727 family has a max range of 4020 km, still about 1000 km to short to reach Lisbon. Looks like a long glide...
You need to remember that those numbers are in a pax configuration, with max luggage. This thing most likely has just a hand full of people and limited luggage... with that your range is increased significantly.
BDABOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8377 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 11): Other photos indicate the jet tends to make Atlantic crossings Azores to the US straight 3,200 nm and Bermuda to Portugal in the other direction. Appears to happen a few times a year.
Yes- a regular (although not frequent) visitor here. Always good to see something different on the ground in BDA.
I seem to recall 727s here when I was young. Does anyone know if they were ever operated on a regular commercial service to Bermuda?
113312 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8296 times:
I can recall that the three Regent/ MGM Grand Air -100s had an aux tank mod raising the fuel capacity to somethink like 62,000 pounds. This enabled those planes to easily make westbound non-stop transcontinental flights. Many corporate operated 727's have added range since payloads are typically light.
Tango-Bravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8172 times:
Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 14): I think one of the longest schedule B721 flights was that operated by Northeast Airlines when they were awarded the Miami-Los Angeles (~2750 mi.) route back in 1969.
It was scheduled/marketed as a non-stop flight. In reality, an unscheduled fuel stop was very often required.
That route BTW changed the course of U.S. airline history...had the (then) almighty CAB allowed Northeast's MIA-LAX-MIA route to be included with the inevitable merger that NE would need to survive, Northwest's offer to acquire NE no doubt would have proceeded and been approved... instead, NW withdrew their offer when the CAB declined to guarantee that the MIA-LAX-MIA route would be included ...Delta went on to absorb NE (without the MIA-LAX-MIA route)...and, ironically enough, some 35 years later, NW. Who knows what the U.S. airline 'landscape' would have looked like had it been NW who acquired NE 'way back' in 1972 rather than DL?
3ingreen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6523 times:
Commercial type aircraft that are in private config can significantly extend their range even without extra fuel loading capacity, due to the much lighter weight involved. Why, just yesterday a VIP MD87 flew from YVR to YHZ non stop , refueled and went right back to YVR . The west bound trip would of course be more of a test due to prevailing winds. I'm not sure of the exact mileage flown on each segment ( must be around 4,000 or more ) but this same trip would be virtually impossible non stop as a fully loaded commercial flight.....cheers