enilria From Canada, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 4984 posts, RR: 12 Posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7346 times:
How to read:
-This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).
-This report uses total operations over a week, so non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. Daily service is generally rounded up to the next whole number, but if the service is one or two flights per day the report may show a decimal approximation of the service level. For example, 0.8 would mean five flights per week.
-The code listed is the marketing code. Clearly there are a lot of regional operators, but that is too complicated for this report.
-In most cases only one direction is shown with the hub service shown together.
-Changes are shown for each month separately. Since the report goes out 9 months, a change which is not shown for the full 9 months does not take place in the months not shown.
-Flights shown are intended to represent daily flights or fractions thereof.
-DL XXX-YYY 4>4 This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear. I will look to change the automation to eliminate these in the future, but as of now we will have to live with them.
I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".
AC ABE-YYZ JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.5>1.1
AC BOS-YHZ JUN 3>2
AC CLT-YYZ JUN 1.9>1.6 JUL 1.8>1.5
AC GRR-YYZ JUN 1.7>1.6 JUL 1.8>1.6
AC MDT-YYZ JUN 1.8>1.5 JUL 1.8>1.5
AC MHT-YYZ JUN 1.4>1.3 JUL 1.5>1.2
More trading around between CO/UA
CO EWR-AUA SEP 1.3>0.9
CO EWR-DEN SEP 3>5
CO EWR-DTW JUL 4>5
CO IAD-EWR SEP 2>5 OCT 2>5
CO IAH-IAD SEP 4>3 OCT 5>3
CO IAH-MTJ AUG 1.4>1.0
CO IAH-YVR OCT 1.3>1.0 NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0
*CO MCO-TLH OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>1.3
CO ORD-EWR SEP 9>7 OCT 7>6
*CO PBI-TLH OCT 1.5>0 NOV 1.6>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.6>0.9
CO SFO-EWR SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7
CO SFO-LAS SEP 1.7>0.7 OCT 1.7>0.7
DL ALO-MSP OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9
DL ATL-AUA NOV 1.3>1.1
DL ATL-CAK SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL ATL-CZM AUG 1.0>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.2 OCT 0.9>0.7
DL ATL-EYW JAN 3>4
DL ATL-FLL NOV 13>12
DL ATL-GUA NOV 2>1.8
DL ATL-HSV SEP 11>9 OCT 11>9 NOV 11>9 DEC 11>9 JAN 11>9
DL ATL-MCO SEP 15>14 OCT 15>14
DL ATL-MOB AUG 10>9 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8 NOV 10>8 DEC 10>8 JAN 10>8
DL ATL-ONT SEP 1.5>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0
DL ATL-PBI NOV 10>9
DL ATL-PVR SEP 0.1>0
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL ATL-SAT SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
DL ATL-SDF SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
DL ATL-SJO AUG 1.4>1.5 SEP 1.0>1.1 OCT 1.0>1.2
DL ATL-TLH SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 DEC 10>9 JAN 10>9
DL ATL-VPS SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9
*DL CVG-BWI JUN 4>3
DL CVG-FLL JAN 2>1.1
*DL CVG-FWA AUG 1.9>0.9 SEP 1.9>0 OCT 1.8>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 1.9>0
*DL CVG-JAX AUG 2>1.5 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*DL CVG-OMA JUN 1.6>0.9
DL CVG-RSW JAN 3>1.2
DL CVG-SBN AUG 1.5>1.0 SEP 1.9>1.0 OCT 1.8>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0
DL DCA-ATL SEP 16>15 OCT 16>15 NOV 16>15 DEC 16>15 JAN 16>15
*DL DCA-CVG SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL DTW-CUN OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.9
DL DTW-FWA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
DL DTW-HPN SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL DTW-MHT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 5>4 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL JFK-IND OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
DL JFK-MCO DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
*DL JFK-ORD SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL JFK-YUL SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL LGA-ATL SEP 16>15 OCT 16>15 NOV 16>15 DEC 16>15
DL MCO-RDU OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
The MEM pulldown was loaded...
*DL MEM-CLE OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9
*DL MEM-ECP SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*DL MEM-GPT SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*DL MEM-GRR SEP 3>1.4 OCT 1.8>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0
*DL MEM-GTR SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
*DL MEM-ICT SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*DL MEM-LEX SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LFT SEP 1.9>0.4 OCT 1.8>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
*DL MEM-MLI SEP 2>0.4 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0 JAN 2>0
*DL MEM-MSN SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*DL MEM-PIT OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
*DL MEM-RSW JAN 1.0>0.1
*DL MEM-SDF OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
*DL MEM-SGF OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
*DL MEM-TUL OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
*DL MEM-XNA OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
*DL MIA-MEM DEC 1.5>1.0
DL MSP-TPA DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4
DL SLC-ABQ SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL SLC-BOI SEP 8>7 OCT 8>6 NOV 8>6 DEC 8>6 JAN 8>6
DL SLC-LAX SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
DL SLC-PVR AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.4>0.2
DL SLC-SJD AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.4>0.5
EI BOS-DUB NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.4
The cuts keep coming.
F9 DEN-TUS JAN 0.8>0.5
*F9 MCO-OMA OCT 0.7>0.1 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.2 JAN 0.2>0.0
*F9 MKE-BOS NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 0.9>0.7
*F9 MKE-LGA NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
*F9 MKE-MCO NOV 1.4>1.0
I9 ORD-KRK JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.2
IS ACK-HYA JUN 16>12 JUL 16>12 AUG 16>12 SEP 16>13 OCT 16>12 NOV 16>12 DEC 16>12 JAN 16>12
KX MIA-GCM DEC 1.9>3
LI SJU-SLU DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.5>1.0
LI SJU-UVF DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.5>0
M5 BFI-CLM JUN 5>4 JUL 6>4 AUG 6>4 SEP 6>4 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
NK adding back some FLL.
NK DTW-RSW DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
NK DTW-TPA NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*NK FLL-NAS JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.4>1.7
*NK FLL-SJU DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
NK FLL-ZSA JAN 0.1>0
SS MIA-ORY NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.4>0.5 JAN 0.4>0.6
SV IAD-RUH JUL 0.1>0.3
SY BOS-MSP SEP 0.3>1.2 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9
SY DFW-CUN SEP 0.1>0.6 OCT 0>0.6 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.3
SY LAX-MSP SEP 0.4>1.2 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0
SY MSP-CUN OCT 0>0.1 NOV 0>0.2
SY MSP-PHX OCT 0>0.8 NOV 0>0.9
SY MSP-SFO OCT 0>0.8 NOV 0>0.8
UA DEN-MCI SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
UA IAD-CRW SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
UA LAX-HNL SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA LAX-LIH JUL 1.8>2
UA ORD-IAH JUL 5>3
UA ORD-MCO OCT 4>5
UA ORD-TPA OCT 3>4
*UA SFO-OKC SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
UA SFO-PSP OCT 3>4
US CLT-AUA NOV 1.1>1.3
US CLT-CZM JAN 0.4>0.3
US DCA-NAS JAN 0.4>0.2
US PHL-BDA JAN 1.0>0.7
US PHL-GCM JAN 0.3>0.2
US PHL-SJU JAN 4>5
US PHL-SXM JAN 0.4>0.3
US PHX-TUS DEC 10>11
GO cuts back Summer flights.
YV HNL-ITO JUN 5>4
YV HNL-KOA JUN 6>5
YV ITO-HNL JUN 5>4
YV KOA-HNL JUN 6>5
*ZK BIL-DEN JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 171 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3): The route should be well within the Q400's envelope in all but the hottest of days on both ends. The Q is a pretty impressive performer.
Agreed. The Q400s range is rarely utilized to its fullest extent. Generally, Qs are only used on routes less than 350 miles and they probably should use them on 500 mile routes and on niche routes over 900 miles.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6023 posts, RR: 39 Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7089 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *F9 MKE-BOS NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 0.9>0.7
*F9 MKE-LGA NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
That January MKE-BOS number has to be an artifact of the schedule only being bookable for about a week of January right now. It does look like they go to all-A319 service when the frequency is reduced, so there's actually a slight increase in capacity over the current schedule which is 3 E190's and 1 E170.
MKE-LGA does lose about 10% of its seat capacity from the current schedule of 2 A319's, an E190 and an E170 as it drops to 3 A319's.
enilria From Canada, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 4984 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6909 times:
Quoting RJNUT (Reply 1): A daily Q400....i am wondering about operational penalties?
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3): The Q is a pretty impressive performer.
I agree. I think it is easily in the range. The only penalty will be the slower block time versus an RJ.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5): That January MKE-BOS number has to be an artifact of the schedule only being bookable for about a week of January right now.
I'm sure it is. I highlighted it because of the 1 RT reduction.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5): I don't see why they're still throwing money at Go!
Good question. There was a question on the Republic conference call from an analyst...
Analyst: "Do you still on a piece of GO?"
Republic: "We have some ownership of the joint venture."
Analyst: "Don't you have to report their earnings somewhere".
Republic: "No, not unless the company is sold".
I was a little surprised they don't have to report earnings for a material ownership interest. Do they really not have a material interest after trading away Molukele? A material interest would seemingly be as little as 15-20%.
Did Mesa report GO earnings? That was what the analyst was really looking for...
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5): More Gulfstream cuts. I wouldn't be astonished to see their Florida flying end eventually.
Yeah, that's fairly sad. Was there a competitive impact in these markets recently? I don't follow TLH that closely.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6808 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 7): Yeah, that's fairly sad. Was there a competitive impact in these markets recently? I don't follow TLH that closely.
Most of the 3M 1900Ds are heading west to support their Montana operation. Apparently much more profitable for an airplane that is tough to make money with in the first place.
enilria From Canada, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 4984 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6536 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 8): Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Yeah, that's fairly sad. Was there a competitive impact in these markets recently? I don't follow TLH that closely.
Most of the 3M 1900Ds are heading west to support their Montana operation. Apparently much more profitable for an airplane that is tough to make money with in the first place.
It's particularly sad when a govt subsidized opportunity that will carry hardly any passengers takes an airplane away from a marginal, but legitimately sized market.
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3377 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6388 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): UA IAD-CRW SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
Hmm....schedules are showing 4 flights with one being expressjet. I hope were finally getting jets.
upsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 785 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
I wonder if we'll ever see SDF-SLC on DL? As a GM on DL I fly them often -- though usually in the southeast. I do go west at times and this would be a nice alternative to connecting through Atlanta.
What load factors need to exist, etc. before an airlines puts in this type of flight? For a long time there was not a UA flight from DEN-SDF but now this exists along with the F9 A319 on the route. I was always hopeful for a US SDF-PHX flight as well but this still hasn't came to fruition.
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3377 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6322 times:
Quoting upsmd11 (Reply 11): What load factors need to exist, etc. before an airlines puts in this type of flight? For a long time there was not a UA flight from DEN-SDF but now this exists along with the F9 A319 on the route. I was always hopeful for a US SDF-PHX flight as well but this still hasn't came to fruition.
Strong and high yielding demand between the two cities should get it done. It's hard to justify a route like that for the purpose of feed alone.
I figured these flights were just so RP could rotate the 170's through the maintenance base... maybe they don't need to do as much maintenance this winter.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6023 posts, RR: 39 Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6211 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 9): It's particularly sad when a govt subsidized opportunity that will carry hardly any passengers takes an airplane away from a marginal, but legitimately sized market.
With the speed limit being 70 mph, the time saved flying doesn't justify the fare of over $200 each way. Given GIA's bankruptcy, I'm not sure many or any of their "legitimately sized market(s)" could make money anymore.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1976 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6107 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): M5 BFI-CLM JUN 5>4 JUL 6>4 AUG 6>4 SEP 6>4 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
Came out in Port Angeles paper that Kenmore will cut to 3/day on June 1. Seems odd to only show 1/day after Sept., but who knows.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1697 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6082 times:
I understand the MKE-LGA pulldown as im sure we will see that slot pop up to a southwest destination like BWI or MDW. F9 cant even handle more than one flight a day on MCO-MKE? Is MKE really performing this poorly? It seems like they need Southwest to revdown MKE fast, this is after F9 just reduced MKE flying to some very surprising and seemed like essential cities
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 20154 posts, RR: 91 Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16): understand the MKE-LGA pulldown as im sure we will see that slot pop up to a southwest destination like BWI or MDW. F9 cant even handle more than one flight a day on MCO-MKE?
MKE is capacity saturated, I believe the Airtran numbers for Q1 were not pretty, either. Load factors are fine, but they come at a cost of revenue.
In the Frontier thread 19, post #170, Knope2001 published these January load factors for the two airlines on MKE-BOS/LGA/DCA:
LGA
63.8% FL
62.7% F9
BOS
51.9% FL
52.7% F9
DCA
51.2% FL
44.5% F9
I don't think anyone is making money on those numbers and I don't think Frontier can or should sit around waiting to see what Southwest might do.
enilria From Canada, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 4984 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5967 times:
Quoting LV (Reply 13): The only thing that concerns me about this is I don't see a corresponding increase on UA
Don't worry, they are out of sync I'm sure.
Quoting LV (Reply 13): I figured these flights were just so RP could rotate the 170's through the maintenance base... maybe they don't need to do as much maintenance this winter.
Not so sure. I think the IND-Europe market is pretty strong in the Summer...thus the Winter pulldown.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 14): With the speed limit being 70 mph, the time saved flying doesn't justify the fare of over $200 each way.
Sure, but there will even fewer out in Montana, but a big taxpayer check will come in the mail monthly.
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 15): Came out in Port Angeles paper that Kenmore will cut to 3/day on June 1. Seems odd to only show 1/day after Sept., but who knows.
You often point out to me that months like Jan and Sep don't matter much (as they are expected to be bad), but in this case I'm sure those markets aren't great outside Summer...so we agree in principle.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 20154 posts, RR: 91 Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5922 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 18): You often point out to me that months like Jan and Sep don't matter much (as they are expected to be bad), but in this case I'm sure those markets aren't great outside Summer...so we agree in principle.
A whole bunch of numbers crossed my desk this morning putting the MKE situation, for both Frontier and Airtran, in better perspective, and it is as I have been saying for some - capacity saturated with weak revenue.
If Airtran were still a standalone, I think we would see more reductions at MKE than have already happened, but now It's Southwest's problem.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1697 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 17): MKE is capacity saturated, I believe the Airtran numbers for Q1 were not pretty, either. Load factors are fine, but they come at a cost of revenue.
In the Frontier thread 19, post #170, Knope2001 published these January load factors for the two airlines on MKE-BOS/LGA/DCA:
LGA
63.8% FL
62.7% F9
BOS
51.9% FL
52.7% F9
DCA
51.2% FL
44.5% F9
I don't think anyone is making money on those numbers and I don't think Frontier can or should sit around waiting to see what Southwest might do.
WOW thanks for throwing some numbers in there. If MKE cant fill planes to these cities with so many people and the connection options that exist at MKE then it looks bad.
I guess it really is just over saturated and probably lower end. Just a guess i dont think MKE is a big business or convention market is it? Its probably mostly leisure travellers looking for a good value or connecting leisure travellers again price sensative. Looks bad I just hope that Republic knows what its doing. I think that Southwest has most certainly decided to pull those valuable slots for better destinations like MDW or BWI its only a matter of time now. I still think that southwests reductions could be what Frontier needs to stay afloat. They dont really have anywhere else to go unless they really start beefing up more focus cities like MCI
mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2065 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
Quoting Kngkyle (Reply 2): Nice to see ORD-KRK back on the schedule.
Anyone have any more information as to who's going to be operating these flights? I'm guessing LO's exit from that route is only temporary. I believe the leases on one or two of their 767s expired recently so hopefully once they FINALLY get the 787s ORD-KRK will be reinstated.
united319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4316 times:
Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 21): Anyone have any more information as to who's going to be operating these flights? I'm guessing LO's exit from that route is only temporary. I believe the leases on one or two of their 767s expired recently so hopefully once they FINALLY get the 787s ORD-KRK will be reinstated
I'm really suprised LOT is pulling out of ORD. IIRC, Chicago has the largest Polish poplulation in the US. I would have pictured them pulling JFK first. ORD is also their Star Alliance connection point. JFK only offers Star Alliance connections to IAD, SFO, LAX, PHX, & CLT. ORD offers all of those destinations plus many many many more.
Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 2808 posts, RR: 35 Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
Quoting united319 (Reply 23): I'm really suprised LOT is pulling out of ORD.
LOT is not pulling out of ORD, they're not operating ORD-KRK anymore. They still fly ORD-WAW.
Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 21): Anyone have any more information as to who's going to be operating these flights?
ORD-KRK is going to be operated by Air Italy Polska, using parent company (Air Italy) 767s. It looks like these flights are going to be charter flights being operated for tour operator FlyCentralEurope.com. Flights will operate 2x weekly on Mondays and Wednesdays starting May 30th.
Flight schedule
I9 211 KRK 14:40-18:00 ORD (Mondays)
I9 212 ORD 20:00-12:25 KRK
I9 213 KRK 14:40-18:00 ORD (Wednesdays)
I9 214 ORD 20:00-12:25 KRK
25 laca773: Not only did LO have to return one of their 763ERs from their meager sized fleet, there's construction going on in a couple of airports in Poland and
26 enilria: I'm not so sure I agree. I think FL was more committed to MKE than almost anything. They felt like if they couldn't win there, then they couldn't bea
27 WA707atMSP: If I recall, most of the visitors to San Salvador's Club Med come from Canada, on WestJet charters. Perhaps Club Med could get AA Eagle to fly a 1x w
28 knope2001: No offense, but I purposely don't post load factor here much because they can be misleading, and because the board is so large and active that it's h
29 apodino: Mesa actually went private during their recent CH 11, so they no longer have to report earnings except the occasional DOT filing.
30 mariner: I'm hardly surprised. But I'll say it again - in my opinion and especially in view of Airtran's reported Q1 results, I would be surprised if, as a st
31 PlanesNTrains: I would think that they would have felt a tremendous amount of pressure to improve the bottom line, and if MKE was bleeding in the current environmen
32 laca773: No. Actually they will be taking delivery of some 787-8s. 777s would be way too much a/c for them.
33 mariner: But they could still have made a stand even if they cut unprofitable routes. It's only an a.net mantra that airlines have to serve certain places. We
34 usdcaguy: These are historically significant cuts in these markets. In some, NW ran 3 daily flights to MEM for years. What a shame. My guess is that the capaci
35 PlanesNTrains: Sure, but it didn't seem like that's what they wanted to do. I think that the need to succeed in MKE was so strong for FL that offering the breadth o
36 Cubsrule: I think FL has been overly optimistic about MKE for a long time. At the time of the YX merger discussions, they proposed things like 3 dailies to YUL
37 mariner: But they have made some cuts, even pre-merger. In January, for example, they announced 2 x daily MKE-TPA and 2 x daily MKE-PHX. The 2nd MKE-TPA has n
38 PlanesNTrains: Oh sure, but I was speaking more pre-oil spike, earlier in the build-up process. I think I mentioned (though I can't remember if it was this thread)
39 mariner: Indeed, but that was then, this is now, and I think that oil prices changed the paradigm. mariner
40 SurfandSnow: Hmmmm... Quite a few cuts to some smaller transborder markets. Nothing too big, but probably not helping other small Northeastern, Midwestern, or Sou
41 knope2001: Tucuson is 2x day this fall and winter, right up to January 8th when the Frontier schedule booking window ends. The reported numbers a simply a quirk
42 PlanesNTrains: I think we're agreeing, Mariner, but I am probably just not stating it properly. We'll just leave it with that. -Dave
43 enilria: When they report Form 41 it will be intersting to see. I agree, but I think they would not allow themselves to lose in MKE. These are the same people
44 Kcrwflyer: Can you actually see the operators/schedules, or does your report just show freq changes?
45 enilria: It's possible to get the schedules, but in order to do a comparison between two gigantic databases I have to eliminate the extra details. The report
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