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Qatar Airways: New Al Baker Interview In Gulf News  
User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

According to Al Baker's latest interview, Qatar Airways is set to announce 15 new routes in 2011, 5 of which have already been announced.

Anyone like to speculate as to where the other 10 might be?

Will we see more American destinations or a further push into Asia? How about the Australian/South American markets?

The article can be found at:

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...thering-global-turbulence-1.807014

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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
Anyone like to speculate as to where the other 10 might be?

Iraq. Perhaps Sydney, some USA destination, somewhere in Africa.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13114 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9502 times:
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What is their aircraft delivery schedule. I see QR has on order A320s, 77W/77L, and 788s, so I'm going to speculate on the other routes.

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
Qatar Airways is set to announce 15 new routes in 2011, 5 of which have already been announced.

I'm assuming most of the routes will be with the A321. So regional and India. I wish I could be more specific, but I'm not seeing an obvious (from the US perspective) whole in their Indian route map that hasn't been announced. Regionally, I could only guess too.  
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Iraq. Perhaps Sydney, some USA destination, somewhere in Africa.

With their outstanding 777 orders, I would assume Australia (SYD) and the US too. LAX?   

It is an interesting question on where QR will add.

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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5463 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

I won't hold my breath on it but I do still have my fingers crossed that Qatar will make a CSeries buy this year.


What the...?
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
With their outstanding 777 orders, I would assume Australia (SYD)

I would not assume SYD would be one of them. as MEL has had mixed results so far. As both are east coast destinations, not sure I would expect it to start service there also just yet. I would expect PER to come next if theres another Australian destination to come online, as it would cover the West coast.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

What I find most interesting is not that, but he says that the order for 388s will likely be less.
And I love this quote "No, we never planned to launch A380
into India. I don't think the Indian
aviation infrastructure will permit
operations of A380."

As per new routes, I expect a good number from Eastern Europe.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9114 times:

This is probably the first interview of AB that I have read/seen/heard where he hasn't gone off on one of his random rants. Maybe, he is tempering down  ?

Saludos,
A.

PS: If QR gets permission, they will fly the 380 to India. I have a hard time believing Delhi's T3, Bangalore, Hyderabad, and upcoming new airports do not have the ability to handle the aircraft ...



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Perhaps Sydney,

SYD is unlikely, PER is something they are preferring over SYD.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
I'm assuming most of the routes will be with the A321.

YUL (B77L), OSL (A332), VCE (A320), SYZ (A320), CCU (A320), EBB (A320), GYD-TBS (A320), MED (A320), SOF (A320). VCE, EBB, SOF are not exactly regional per se, but the remaining are.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
but I'm not seeing an obvious (from the US perspective) whole in their Indian route map that hasn't been announced.

Nope they have covered all the major destinations they should. Their next destination this year end is likely to be IXE (Mangalore).

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
LAX?

LAX or SFO either one has good chances.



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User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

No plans for SFO, LAX or ORD in the pipeline then?

Also, the South American routes look quite thin at the moment.

Surely with all the new 777/787's beginning to arrive we might start to see more N.American destinations in the near future?


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

DOH-EDI, 5 x weekly with an A332 anybody?


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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8626 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 5):
As per new routes, I expect a good number from Eastern Europe.

I'd like that   Al-Baker mentioned destinations that EK don't fly, so I think there'll be a few. WAW comes up, BUD, OTP already being served. LED perhaps ?

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Central Asia, Iraq and Africa is where the expansion lies for QR along with one U.S. destination i.e. ORD

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
Anyone like to speculate as to where the other 10 might be?

Finally AMS I hope. EK does fly there, but that´s the only Gulf carrier, and the AMS area is a real Oil capital.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13114 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8487 times:
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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
I would expect PER to come next if theres another Australian destination to come online, as it would cover the West coast.
Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
Nope they have covered all the major destinations they should. Their next destination this year end is likely to be IXE

Good to know. I looked at Mangalore on Wikipedia and I discovered it is a major coffee expore center!    Yea!
Port related, chemicals, and something called IT seem to dominate the local economy...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mangalore
But even more interesting from that link:
"The frenetic phase at which the Mangalore is growing can be gauged by the fact that Mangalore International Airport is the fastest growing airport in south India and third fastest growing in India, with 1/3 of airport traffic is international. Mangalore International Airport is the only airport in the state to operate two runways as Bangalore International Airport will get its second runway only in 2014."

In all seriousness, how big is the banking sector there? LA is still big in banking and most of the flights by those I know seem to be to BOM, PNQ, BLR, and HYD. (The woman who introduced me to my wife is way up in a major bank, so our social group has quite a few from the industry.) I'm just trying to get a feel for US based O&D to IXE. In my opinion, the new 'easy growth' for airlines will be to fast growing cities that currently have limited service and thus little reason for airline loyalty.

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
LAX or SFO either one has good chances.

Good to hear. Per the EK LAX and SFO threads, it seems LAX has better premium yeild; so if either has a good chance, I would suspect my home airport (LAX) would be more likely to see QR.   

Quoting BAfan (Reply 8):
Surely with all the new 777/787's beginning to arrive we might start to see more N.American destinations in the near future?

Long term? Definitively. I'll be curious to see QR's 'phase in strategy' with the 788. I suspect in 2011 they won't see the Americas.   But hey, if it opens up PER...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 10):
I'd like that   Al-Baker mentioned destinations that EK don't fly, so I think there'll be a few. WAW comes up, BUD, OTP already being served. LED perhaps ?

MIA, ATL or ORD for N. America



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8375 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 10):
WAW comes up, BUD, OTP already being served. LED perhaps ?

They serve BUD, OTP and will start SOF this September. WAW, LED are not in QR's network.

IAD, BCN, STR, ESB, BRU, OSL (from 5th October), CPH (to be served by EK from August), EZE (to be served by EK from January), SYZ (from 5th June), YUL (from 29th June), MHD, ATQ, GOI, HAN, SGN, HKT, KTM, ALG, LXR, HBE, ALP are the destinations which are served by QR and not by EK.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

I'd like to see BHX, but with the activity going on nearby at MAN, I doubt it.

User currently offlineloalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7889 times:

GIG, also following EKs move.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
Finally AMS I hope. EK does fly there, but that´s the only Gulf carrier, and the AMS area is a real Oil capital.

But QR already flies into BRU which is easy to access from Holland (Amsterdam + Rotterdam) thanks to fast rail and road links. Is there enough business in AMS now that EK has begun serving this city ? Most of KL's traffic is transit rather than O & D.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7772 times:

Come on PER, I need another option for a one-stop to Norway (an option with good timed schedule, which I'm sure it will have).

From what I hear, EK to PER is getting great loads. When compared to BNE, which has a similar amount of seats between them, PER is doing quite a bit better.

Could QR perceivably use the A332 to PER. It's a long flight, but within the A332's max range (although I don't know how big an effect the hot DOH and hot PER region has).

I'm sure QR would manage with something bigger than the A332, but it could be a good place to start (that is if they have the equipment to start it).

Also, hoping for QR in star alliance, has anyone heard anything about this lately?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7662 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Good to know. I looked at Mangalore on Wikipedia and I discovered it is a major coffee expore center!    Yea!
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
In all seriousness, how big is the banking sector there?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
.) I'm just trying to get a feel for US based O&D to IXE

You are looking too much here and there my dear. Mangalore is nothing but a slightly downsized version of CCJ/TRV. HUGE labour traffic to the gulf, especially Saudi Arabia and the connections to the US, Europe etc are minuscule in comparison.

Quoting loalq (Reply 17):
GIG, also following EKs move.

Actually it's EK that is following QR's footsteps off lately. MAD, GVA, CPH, EZE, are some examples youy might want to look at.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):
Could QR perceivably use the A332 to PER. It's a long flight, but within the A332's max range (although I don't know how big an effect the hot DOH and hot PER region has).

A332 cannot make it, the B787s will do the job perfectly.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

DOH-PER would make my day! Come on Qatar, give EK a run for their money!

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

QR is a much better airline than its direct competitors are. But no matter how much I'd always prefer QR over EK in theory, in reality that is hardly ever feasible. QR offers good connection times only for a very limited number of city pairs, so if your local daily flight happens to be timed at the wrong 'wave' of connection traffic, you'll have to wait 10hrs+ at DOH. And many of their long hauls aren't non-stops but rather tag ons. And who is really driving to the next airport where there's a better timed QR flight and put up with another stop when they can use a seamless one stop connection with EK, which nine out of ten times will be cheaper at that?

While it's strategically sound to spread their name and establish a presence in many markets, offer connections to many places, they should also keep in mind that part of the reason they can only fill 4 weekly A319 where EK is dumping 1-2 daily 777s is the lack of comprehensiveness of their network. Nobody understands this 'we fly to your destination only 4 times a week and on each of those days, we use a different schedule'. And frankly, after getting the same results every time you try to fly with them, you just stop considering them an alternative anymore.

QR could be doing so much better for themselves, simply by being a little more aggressive. But maybe all the company's steam is used up in the rants of Al Baker..

As far as their 5 new destinations go, I assume they'll do a little bit of everything. Maybe one to China, one to East Europe, one to the Mid East, one to the US and one to South America.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Quoting something (Reply 22):
QR offers good connection times only for a very limited number of city pairs, so if your local daily flight happens to be timed at the wrong 'wave' of connection traffic,
Quoting something (Reply 22):
And many of their long hauls aren't non-stops but rather tag ons.

That is how QR goes about expanding, there was a time in EK as well when they had many connections which were over 10 hours but gradually down the years they have improved. Similarly QR has a lesser O-D traffic than DXB which is why start up with A319s and tag ons are the necessary business moves to stimulate traffic and then offer non stop dedicated wide body flights.

Quoting something (Reply 22):
they should also keep in mind that part of the reason they can only fill 4 weekly A319

It's not that they have an A319LR fixed to a destination for good. On an average after 6-7 months QR switches the A319 to an A330.

Quoting something (Reply 22):
QR could be doing so much better for themselves, simply by being a little more aggressive. But maybe all the company's steam is used up in the rants of Al Baker.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 23):
That is how QR goes about expanding, there was a time in EK as well when they had many connections which were over 10 hours but gradually down the years they have improved. Similarly QR has a lesser O-D traffic than DXB which is why start up with A319s and tag ons are the necessary business moves to stimulate traffic and then offer non stop dedicated wide body flights.
Quoting ojas (Reply 23):

It's not that they have an A319LR fixed to a destination for good. On an average after 6-7 months QR switches the A319 to an A330.

That is correct.

Moreover, DOH is extremely conjested and busy; and therefore it has to divide its flights so that it is spread between 2 or more more banks-of-flights.

With the new airport, and the tens of new planes set to arrive, we will see more frequencies and more destinations.



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25 JoeCanuck : What's the latest on the new airport?
26 Post contains links QatarA340 : You can view the progress in this thread; there are loads of pictures and updates. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=304873&page=26
27 CXfirst : Again, I'm not an expert, but QF uses their A330-200 from AKL to LAX, which is 620 nm further than DOH-PER. -CXfirst
28 Post contains images BAfan : I have a feeling Qatar Airways is going to pull out all the stops to make New Doha International Airport one of the world's best. The pictures that ha
29 AirIndia : :D The expansion that QR is seeing is akin to what EK did about 10 years back when emphasis was to add more routes. Then comes the consolidation phas
30 ojas : I'm not so sure about it, simply because even when QR gets into the consolidation phase (which it is doing parallely) there is a LOT of scope for QR
31 signol : There is a lot of speculation in Durban, South Africa, that QR will add the city. Especially as the bilateral permits only additional frequencies into
32 Post contains links lightsaber : I respectfully disagree. I suspect that QR will use that existing destinations as the 'seed' for new connecting routes. With the large rumored A380 o
33 ojas : Actually the reason is pretty simple. Unlike Dubai, Qatar barely has "foreign" carriers operating there. Other than EK, EY, GF, FZ other foreign airl
34 AirIndia : Yes that is what I meant. And i too endorse profitable growth. it was just my concern that adding frequencies/capacties on existing routes will be re
35 Post contains images lightsaber : I'm sure. Just in time for EK to invent the next trick. That analysis is amazing. HB-IWC outdid himself that time. Ah... Then we are in agreement. Li
36 QatarA340 : If you guys notice QR is adding multiple new destinations and increasing capacity at the same time worldwide.I dont think they are directly proportio
37 BAfan : I guess it will all depend on how frequently the aircraft are entering the fleet. Also, they could maintain growth by holding on to some of the existi
38 Post contains images AirIndia : At present yes. Correct me if I am wrong that the current QR route network can be descibed as large but not robust. The gap between being large and r
39 BAfan : So is there scope for Qatar Airways placing more aircraft orders for widebodies in the future to ensure they can continue to growing both frequencies
40 BHMNONREV : I was thru Doha several weeks ago, and when we took off we banked right over the new facility and from the looks of it both runways are ready as well
41 QatarA340 : Yes, both runways are completed and now the landside facilities are being completed as well. Well, Jebel Ali is huge compared to ANY airport! But, DO
42 DocLightning : Well, they'll go away. But it would not shock me if they set up the new terminal so that there is a VIP-only route from the premium lounges to the ai
43 Post contains images lightsaber : Not huge versus DEN. Seriously, why are people worried about the current expansion size of DOH? I see room to expand out to sea or inland (onto the o
44 AirIndia : probabaly we'll see most of them end up in Kabul.......... However, how much would that impact on customer satisfaction among premium freq flyers? Fr
45 QatarA340 : I agree. At present people have to spent up to 20 minutes on the bus from plane to terminal. Certianly, a hastle. The new airport will be similar in
46 BAfan : I believe this is up to 2013, but there will still be many more aircraft (approximately 100+ at existing orders) to arrive after this date, and this
47 QatarA340 : You know I wonder where they get this figure. Its not every 18 days. In 2011 so far they recieved only 3 planes (A7-AHG/BAM/BAN) and were already app
48 ojas : ' You missed the key word here "average". So apparently they won't get any delivery for many days and suddenly in a span of 2 weeks they get 3-4 plan
49 tp777 : Wasn´t QR thinking to start LIS? Regards TP777
50 ojas : That's in 2012.
51 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : True, I sometimes am surprised at some of their frequencies and timings to certain destinations. I think I saw a few that differ by about an hour on
52 worldliner : I can see more N America routes but primarily Central and East Coast. Maybe MIA , ATL, ORD. Also I think routes in Australia because they will want to
53 BAfan : I personally would presume so, as these short haul routes are what the A320 family were made for. I always wondered what the deal was with EK flying
54 QatarA340 : EK does not operate narrowbodies. Thats why. It uses the belly of the A332s as cargo as well.
55 BAfan : I appreciate that, but is it economical to fly an aircraft designed for medium-long haul routes to fly short haul sectors?
56 LuftyMatt : I was thinking either EDI or GLA. Would EDI be weight restricted for QR? If that was the case, GLA would be a better option for them. I think DUB wou
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