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ATL Prepares For A380  
User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19071 times:

Well it appears Hartsfield will be preparing itself for the A380, by widening the taxiways etc. So question is who will be first here with them, Korean Air or Air France?

http://www.ajc.com/business/airport-prepares-for-super-944020.html

[Edited 2011-05-12 23:35:11]


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User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19062 times:

IMHO could be EK or AF. They have code-sharing with DL and probably want to fill those using DL's feed.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 18906 times:

LOL - I never thought i'd see this thread on a-net.

We've been hearing for years and years about how ATL will NEVER be A380 ready because their airport doesnt think there is a business case for spending the "$300m+" (really??) it would take to make the modifications to the airport facilities, and that in any case no airline would fly them there anyway, the airport doesnt want them and anyway they'll all be parked in the desert before long anyway....



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineflyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18808 times:

I see AF as the number one candidate for A380 in ATL, though the article states KE as possible...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
We've been hearing for years and years about how ATL will NEVER be A380 ready

Take the trip back in time and have a look at this thread 5 years ago.

A380 At ATL? (by Eaglewarrior Oct 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18749 times:

Thanks for sharing FlyingAY!
Isn't it a good time to ask by now: which US airline will be first to order A388 or 389?
And we will see in 2016.


User currently offlinefxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18590 times:

I wonder how much of this was just sort of tacked on to the existing mods with 9L/27R expansion and the new INT'l terminal? You know "since we're building this, might as well go ahead and..."


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User currently offlineosteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18591 times:

Quoting flyingAY (Reply 3):
Take the trip back in time and have a look at this thread 5 years ago.

The A380 has proven many people here on this forum wrong. And it will get worse over the next years. In 5 years the question will be. Why is the A380 not yet flying to Boston?  


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18567 times:

Quoting flyingAY (Reply 3):
I see AF as the number one candidate for A380 in ATL, though the article states KE as possible...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
We've been hearing for years and years about how ATL will NEVER be A380 ready

Take the trip back in time and have a look at this thread 5 years ago.

A380 At ATL? (by Eaglewarrior Oct 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Absolutely love it  

Some world class anti-A380 rhetoric on there. Good find.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18517 times:

Boston is not a really growing market afaik, so not one of the top A380 candidates - and it can be reached from Europe on heavily filled A333. I see JFK,EWR,ORD,IAD,ATL,MIA,DEN,DFW,IAH,LAS,LAN,SFO,SEA,and maybe MSP,PHL,DTW,SAN earlier than BOS.

For AF it will be a question of honor to be the first, KE and EK will follow. For LH it is currently A343 only, BA 772, so both have other steps to grow.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18261 times:

This is surprising news, especially since the previous GM for the airport said that the airport would not make improvements in order to handle the A380. Maybe this was something planned all along, but just not publicly stated as being improvements to be able to handle the A380, since these improvements are also improvements that benefit all operators and improves safety on the taxiways and runways. In the thread linked above, I noticed some were saying that Runway 9L/27R was being lengthened in order to accommodate the A380, but it's actually so that some of the larger a/c that currently serve ATL aren't as restricted in their fuel, cargo, and passengers in the summertime.

http://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfie...-jackson-extending-its-943845.html

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 1):
IMHO could be EK or AF. They have code-sharing with DL and probably want to fill those using DL's feed.

Considering that EK does not currently serve ATL, nor have any plans to them serving ATL have been announced, I would not put them on the list of what airline could serve ATL with the A380. If they were to start service here, they would probably start off with the 772LR and maybe upgrade to the A380 is the loads demand it.

I think KE would be the more likely choice to be the first airline to serve ATL with the A380, as they currently use the 747-400 on the route (At times, they use the 772 and 773 as well, but the current schedule is all-744s.) and three days a week (Wed/Fri/Sun), they offer two flights a day between ATL and ICN. With their A380s only seating slightly more than their 744s, it could be quite possible that ATL sees the A380 from them before we see it from AF.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18232 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Quoting flyingAY (Reply 3):
I see AF as the number one candidate for A380 in ATL, though the article states KE as possible...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
We've been hearing for years and years about how ATL will NEVER be A380 ready

Take the trip back in time and have a look at this thread 5 years ago.

A380 At ATL? (by Eaglewarrior Oct 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Absolutely love it

Some world class anti-A380 rhetoric on there. Good find.

I had a few chuckles reading that, hopefully Zvezda will make an appearence in this thread   



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18144 times:

I am flatly stunned by this news. I have only been a member of this website for a short time, but I have read the threads on here for years. I cannot wait to see what Mayor or some of the other ATL centric posters comment on this.

For ATL to pull such a reversal, one of three things must have happen:

1) The most inconceivable of all, but DL might be interested in a A380 in the future and expressed that to the airport.

2) Most likely, KE or AF said that they wanted to start serving the ATL market with an A380. Heck, we could maybe even see a LH, EK, or CZ A380 parked in ATL at some point.

3) Flat Hubris. The busiest airport in the world did not want to be unable to serve the biggest plane in the world.



Question: I didn't see if the article addressed the A380 gate (other than terminal improvements). Is the airport going to build an A380 specific gate and if so, Terminal E or adding it on to Terminal F?

[Edited 2011-05-13 04:07:31]


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User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17768 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
I am flatly stunned by this news. I have only been a member of this website for a short time, but I have read the threads on here for years. I cannot wait to see what Mayor or some of the other ATL centric posters comment on this.

For ATL to pull such a reversal, one of three things must have happen:

1) The most inconceivable of all, but DL might be interested in a A380 in the future and expressed that to the airport.

2) Most likely, KE or AF said that they wanted to start serving the ATL market with an A380. Heck, we could maybe even see a LH, EK, or CZ A380 parked in ATL at some point.

3) Flat Hubris. The busiest airport in the world did not want to be unable to serve the biggest plane in the world.

Or, the new Airport Director had a different opinion than his predecessor and determined that it was cheaper to modify the plans for the new International Terminal before construction was completed than to do it after the fact.

That, in fact, is the actual case. No scandal here, just a different judgement by the new boss.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 12):
Or, the new Airport Director had a different opinion than his predecessor and determined that it was cheaper to modify the plans for the new International Terminal before construction was completed than to do it after the fact.

I am very excited by this news. From a financial standpoint, while the construction workers are there, might as well tack on another project. I wonder if the city will have to go through a whole new round of bidding or if they can just continue to use the current contractors.

I was not suggesting in scandal, I think it has as much to do with the Mayor of ATL as much as it does the new director. The Mayor seems very dedicated to keeping ATL (the city and the airport) growing.

First WN and now this with a new international and possible southgate complex on the way, there will be some continued good years to come for ATL.



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User currently onlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10026 posts, RR: 96
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16258 times:
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Quoting jetlanta (Reply 12):
Or, the new Airport Director had a different opinion than his predecessor and determined that it was cheaper to modify the plans for the new International Terminal before construction was completed than to do it after the fact.

That, in fact, is the actual case. No scandal here, just a different judgement by the new boss.

Conspiracy theories are great fun on A-net.

A pragmatic decision to "future-proof" the airport at the most convenient time and in the most economical manner possible isn't nearly as much fun.
But much more likely   

Rgds


User currently offlinemaddogjt8d From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15769 times:

Are there any specifications as to what modifications to the airport they are planning?

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4737 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15131 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
LOL - I never thought i'd see this thread on a-net.

Me neither.  .

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 12):
Or, the new Airport Director had a different opinion than his predecessor and determined that it was cheaper to modify the plans for the new International Terminal before construction was completed than to do it after the fact.

That, in fact, is the actual case. No scandal here, just a different judgement by the new boss.

And a wise boss the new guy seems to be. Fresh eyes see things usually better, and see more opportunities. I am sure ATL will be rewarded for this move.  .


User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8371 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14622 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
LOL - I never thought i'd see this thread on a-net.

I'm with you  
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 8):
Boston is not a really growing market afaik, so not one of the top A380 candidates - and it can be reached from Europe on heavily filled A333.

I disagree. BOS traffic spikes significantly in the Summer and it's also a heavy business destination. This combination of heavy leisure and business traffic is perfect for A380 operators. Other factors are: Intl TATL ops are pretty much at capacity with very little space for gate space growth so increasing frequencies is not always the best option. this is why we see 744's in Boston from BA/VS/LH/AF. Also BOS is relatively close to FRA/LHR/CDG that you can fit an A380 rotation in between Asian runs, rather than park the plane in FRA/LHR/CDG all day. All these factors would make BOS a perfect seasonal A380 destination.
Unfortunately for BOS that lack of physical space affecting TATL ops is also a hinderance for making the International terminal A380 ready. The other problem I believe is taxiway separation.


User currently offlineATLflyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

A very reliable source at ATL told me that that an airline painted in a wonderful light blue has ATL as a future A380 destination.

I'm very excited to go spot this beauty when she arrives!

-ATLFlyer323



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13813 times:

Last I knew KE was pretty upset with ATL because the new international terminal will not have any gates that the A380 can fit in.


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13581 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 8):
Boston is not a really growing market afaik, so not one of the top A380 candidates

I must respectively disagree. There are so many diversions to BOS from JFK and I think if there's an airport that can fit the 380 then the airline that owns it will try to get it there. After all, it means more money for the airports and time and time again the aviation industry surprises all of us. i'm glad to see the 380 is coming to ATL. I personally think KE because there's such a tremendous market for the route. After all, there are more flights to ICN than there are to CDG, are there not?



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User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13060 times:

I dont see the logic in an airport as busy as ATL not having already been modified for the a380. Surely it can only be a good thing that the a380 would be able to operate.


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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12982 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Thread starter):
So question is who will be first here with them, Korean Air or Air France?
Quoting anrec80 (Reply 1):
IMHO could be EK or AF. They have code-sharing with DL and probably want to fill those using DL's feed.

I think this is exactly what Atlwest implicitely meant. We know that they both code-share with DL and that DL pretty much owns ATL (in terms of traffic of course, not in terms of actual ownership of the land/facilities).

I would see AF first, because they will have a bigger fleet overall. However, AF can make the so highly valued (by a.netters at least) multi-frequency model work well due to time zones/flight duration configuration favorable. I don't know however how KE can do multi-daily frequencies on ICN-ATL-ICN, if there is one specific time block that is pretty much the ideal timing, then the A380 would be the best choice over say, one well-timed 777 and one poorly timed 777.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
LOL - I never thought i'd see this thread on a-net.

We've been hearing for years and years about how ATL will NEVER be A380 ready because their airport doesnt think there is a business case for spending the "$300m+" (really??)

Rule # 1 in commercial aviation: never say never!

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
1) The most inconceivable of all, but DL might be interested in a A380 in the future and expressed that to the airport.

Haha, read my rule # 1 above. I actually do believe that DL will seriously consider operating the A380 or its Boeing counterpart, if they have not already done so.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12953 times:

People make the A380 out to be a much larger aircraft than it actually is- especially in Korean's configuration. It seats 407 people, compared to 333-384 on their 744s. So the actual increase in capacity may be as little as 23 seats. Not only for that reason would I have thought of ATL as a 748i destination.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12709 times:

Quoting ATLflyer323 (Reply 18):

A very reliable source at ATL told me that that an airline painted in a wonderful light blue has ATL as a future A380 destination.

I'm very excited to go spot this beauty when she arrives!

That would be quite amazing. Especially given that I am tired of seeing the same liveries on that plane again and again.



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25 0NEWAIR0 : I believe that when people are talking about the size of A380 and airports in the same paragraph they are referring to it's weights and dimensions ra
26 Post contains images lightsaber : Wow, I'm floored. While logical to get ready for the A380 at ATL, I *never* expected it. Ditto. You're not being any fun. I doubt that(as much as I'd
27 747srule : Finally, one of the busiest airports in the US is getting A-380 service.Most of the stuff now is domestic. I don't think you can go anywhere in the so
28 Post contains images 0NEWAIR0 : *cough* THE *cough* busiest airport in the US ...
29 RayChuang : I wonder why would ATL get A380 gates, since ATL's service emphasis has always been on frequency of service, not flying in the biggest planes. For exa
30 micstatic : At the end of the day. I think this is a super smart idea. Would think they would only need a couple A380 gates.
31 TeamintheSky : You bring up a great point. Will they format just one gate (probably at the new International terminal) for an A380, or will they put in a couple of
32 Post contains images ATLflyer323 : Nothing Pepsi related will ever take off here in Atlanta. -ATLFlyer323
33 YXwatcherMKE : Having been involved in several construction projects over the years I can tell you that making a change in a current construction project is easy to
34 indiansbucs : Sorry to correct you... *cough* THE *cough* busiest airport in the WORLD!!!!!
35 Post contains images lightsaber : Someone got the 2nd part of that joke! (Ok, I'm a geek...) You have to admit, KE's livery looks like a Pepsi light. I'm not thinking it will be an ea
36 Aircellist : Neither did I...
37 gemuser : While it is heavier, this is not of as much significance as one might expect because the weight airports are concerned with, except in certain specif
38 par13del : I asked the question in an earlier post which was deleted due to reference so I'll re-post the question. Why is it necessary to spend money to make ai
39 gemuser : This is a complex question. I'll take a swing at an answer but it won't be totally comprehensive. Unlike aircraft, airports are not mass produced, ea
40 0NEWAIR0 : I think that this is actually a big problem, especially in the US where most of our airports are already tight on space and we do not have, or utiliz
41 par13del : It does for most, what I would also question is the regulations for sealing runways, we did have a airport here on one of our Family Islands have a r
42 bmacleod : AF and KE and being part of Skyteam (DL's alliance) should have no problem filling up their A380s in ATL assuming ATL-CDG and ATL-ICN stay strong.
43 gemuser : It might not be convenient, but they do do it. LAX for sure and I am sure I've read, on here of other US airports doing it. even so, creating new har
44 indiansbucs : I agree with you... definitively looks that it will happen sonner or later
45 rj777 : I wonder if this is a precursor to a surprise DL order......
46 TeamintheSky : How beautiful would the simple white livery with the tilted Delta tail be on an A380! However, with the 748i struggling with sales, I would almost pr
47 LAXtoATL : It was always a long shot for DL to order the A380, and with partners covering both the Atlantic and Pacific who already operate A380 and are now rum
48 Post contains images lightsaber : Ironically, those A380 operated by 'partners' (who are also competitors) improves the economics for DL of operating the A380. While I consider an ord
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