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CSA To Launch AMS,CDG,FCO,BCN,LCA,BRU From BTS  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Looks like CSA is going to base aircrafts at Bratislava Airport in order to offer direct flight to 6 european cities (Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Rome, Barcelona and Larnaca) from next june.

http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/vie...ons_from_bratislava_from_june.html

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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4342 times:
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What will be their target group? I am curious what their price management on these flights will be. As the distance between Vienna and Bratislava is only approx. 125 km, I wonder if they can generate some passengers who would initially have chosen VIE.

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

This should be a good strategy for CSA who has been suffering from competition. I suppose it's just one narrowbody that will operate all the routes ?


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):
As the distance between Vienna and Bratislava is only approx. 125 km

Vienna and Bratislava are closer than 125 km, I would say about 50-60km.

Anyway, curious that the former Československé Státní Aerolinie, which was Czechoslovakia' s flag carrier, is now coming back to Slovak territory with direct service to some destinations other than Czech Republic.

[Edited 2011-05-13 05:10:38]

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Maybe OK is hoping to capitalise on the higher cost of flights departing nearby VIE.

Did VIE introduce its eco tax on April 1, I wonder ?

But will these OK services succeed ? Remember that OS operated a number of short-haul routes from BTS around 2004 but it was a failure. Pax still preferred to use VIE.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Just as an aside, why does CSA operate no flights out of the UK?


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User currently onlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6812 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 5):
Just as an aside, why does CSA operate no flights out of the UK?

Summary here

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/csa-quits-the-uk

Saving money, basically, & lots of competition from the LCCs.



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User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 3):
Anyway, curious that the former Československé Státní Aerolinie, which was Czechoslovakia' s flag carrier, is now coming back to Slovak territory with direct service to some destinations other than Czech Republic.

How is the CSA brand regarded there? Has anyone had any real success targeting VIE flyers from BTS?

As an aside, I took a day trip Bratislava from Vienna a few years ago and really enjoyed the city and people, very memorable.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

OK surely seems to have changed since we flew them in the late 90s and early 00s! I hope they can find a way to be successful.


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User currently onlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5204 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

They will be up against a fairly large Ryanair operation at BTS, I hope they can coexist.

Overlapping destinations are Brussels, Rome, Paris and Barcelona. I cant see OK compete head on with FR, although they use different airports. But not everybody needs to be in a citycenter, so FR works well for most.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

OK will base a B737-500 at BTS according to their website.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

OK still at odds with AF? Any chance the codeshare agreement with AF will be reinstated? I wonder if OK's permanence in SkyTeam is in question.


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User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
Overlapping destinations are Brussels, Rome, Paris and Barcelona

No overlapping with CDG as FR is flying to BVA which is far from being the same!
In addition, if AF & OK codeshare, this may attract feeding for AF!



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1849 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 12):
In addition, if AF & OK codeshare, this may attract feeding for AF!

As they just stopped to code-share to PRG due to disagreements on contractual terms, I don't see why they would do this to BTS (unfortunately).


User currently offlinekonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
They will be up against a fairly large Ryanair operation at BTS, I hope they can coexist.

I think OK is getting desperate and looking for opportunities outside its natural base.
That says that business at home (PRG) isn't exactly thriving and there is no room for growth.

As mentioned by kl911 at BTS they face FR (locally) not to mention an extended network of OS and others from VIE. On the other hand it is hard to believe they can lure VIE flyers into BTS with just a few destinations.


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 13):
As they just stopped to code-share to PRG due to disagreements on contractual terms, I don't see why they would do this to BTS (unfortunately).

I was saying IF AF & OK codeshare!  



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User currently onlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Hey guys,

well after SkyEurope ceased to exists, Slovakia was ultimately left to be served only by Ryanair, LOT (but frequency continuously declined and now LOT has left BTS) and several charter airlines. If there is one positive story about SkyEurope it is that it thought or showed many Slovaks that flying can be affordable and doable. Facilities has improved drastically as there is new departure terminal (a la LHR T5) and new arrivals terminal is under construction. Thanks God there is no more that awful old terminal building that lacked in capacity and decency to be called an airport terminal.

The good news is that BTS will again have direct connection to various European cities liked by Slovaks (both for business and pleasure). I believe that BTS was only capital city in the EU that did not have direct flight to BRU (EU capital!). I welcome their arrival to BTS and hope that OK will offer competitive rates so flying to BRU, CDG, AMS will be viable not only for business travelers.

I fear that flights will be too expensive and thus flying from VIE (60km away) would be more affordable. I do expect that OS, LH, and other airlines to offer certain discounts on same routes (from VIE). But it is time saver for me to fly from BTS than VIE so OS and LH would have to make a great offer.  
Quoting GolfBravoRomeo (Reply 7):

How is the CSA brand regarded there? Has anyone had any real success targeting VIE flyers from BTS?

CSA is considered as 'domestic' airline for many. Although it is already more than 15Y since both nations gained their independence, many Slovaks are still closer to Czech than to Austrians, Pols, Hungarians or Ukrainians. Some are still upset how was CSA privatized, just prior the separation. But that is for whole separate thread.  

I flew couple of times with Ryaniar from the UK and I have to say that on many occasions there were many Britons flying to BTS just to get on the bus to VIE. I believe that BTS at the moment has nothing to offer for people flying from VIE (besides good looking women     ). Those living close to BTS (on the border; be it in Hungary and Austria) may opt to fly from BTS if they have to travel to offered destinations, and the price and timing is right.

Cheers,

Andrej


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting GolfBravoRomeo (Reply 7):
Has anyone had any real success targeting VIE flyers from BTS?
Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
They will be up against a fairly large Ryanair operation at BTS, I hope they can coexist.

Overlapping destinations are Brussels, Rome, Paris and Barcelona. I cant see OK compete head on with FR, although they use different airports. But not everybody needs to be in a citycenter, so FR works well for most.
BRU: I'm sure that politicians and businesspeople flying to the EU capital don't take FR to CRL.
Rome (FCO or CIA?) I agree is direct overlap, might be difficult.
CDG would offer connection possibilities with AF once code-sharing is worked out (which I think has to happen eventually). And better than BVA.
BCN allows to serve the coast south of Barcelona (too far from GRO even for FR standards), and the city itself.

To sum up, they are all major European cities which for themselves should have enough O&D with BTS to support 7xCDG, 5xFCO, 4xAMS, 3xBRU and 2xBCN per week on a 735. Any PAX lured from VIE are a plus, but probably not indispensable to support these routes.

[Edited 2011-05-18 04:56:27]

User currently offlinecanadiantree From France, joined Jun 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

As a traveler on board FR between BVA and BTS I can honestly say that I am VERY excited about this bit of news. I don't drive a car so BVA is VERY inconvenient for me. Door to door from my house with public transport it's 3 hours to the airport and I live in the Paris region. Charles de Gaulle is less than an hour.

Also I have looked at the initial prices and CSA is being very aggressive with their pricing which I am finding about maybe 15% higher than Ryanair BUT with free luggage check and a meal, not to mention reserved seating and more legroom.. Yeah the choice is pretty quickly made for me! I just hope they will be able to maintain the route, as others have said, Air France and Austrian have a pretty dominant market in VIE!


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