LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2456 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11052 times:
AF was meant to start operating the 77W on its CDG-MIA route from October 30th, 2011.
Today, I was on AF website and finally, they switched back to 744.
Does someone know what happens?
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10795 times:
WHY does Miami keep getting the runts of the AF fleet, I was looking forward to the 777-300ER as no airline current schedules a 77W to MIA. Maybe Montreal can take the 744 and send 77W to MIA.
travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10218 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): WHY does Miami keep getting the runts of the AF fleet, I was looking forward to the 777-300ER as no airline current schedules a 77W to MIA. Maybe Montreal can take the 744 and send 77W to MIA.
Isn't it based on Premium demand? My understanding is that the AF 744s go to more "leisure" destinations, and the 77Ws go to places with higher premium demand.
ETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9965 times:
Quoting travelin man (Reply 3): Isn't it based on Premium demand? My understanding is that the AF 744s go to more "leisure" destinations, and the 77Ws go to places with higher premium demand.
I guess there is divergence in viewpoint b/w AF and LH here, as the latter will start A380 service to MIA in June. There was some rumor that AF would also send the A380 down here; perhaps not.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9607 times:
Quoting imag (Reply 4): She's not a runt, but a lady aging gracefully.
You are right, 744 are graceful. Especially the Cathay Pacific versions.
Quoting travelin man (Reply 3): Isn't it based on Premium demand? My understanding is that the AF 744s go to more "leisure" destinations, and the 77Ws go to places with higher premium demand.
AF has 3 different 77W configurations, The typical 8 F, 67J one. The one used to the Fench Caribean and Scheyelles. and the third( Miami's) is a newer one with no F 35 J +/- with Y+ and Y.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9587 times:
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Quoting FSDan (Reply 6): Was AF going to use one of the new high-density 77Ws like they are on the MCO route? Or was it going to be one of the birds with F class?
In fact none. They introduced a 3rd config for the 77W with 3-class layout and featuring the new business class cabin. 381 seats (42J 24Y+ 315Y). These frames are not being deployed by AF on CDG-GIG route (one of the 2 daily flights)
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
shufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 438 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9571 times:
Quoting imag (Reply 4): She's not a runt, but a lady aging gracefully.
I fully agree. I love to watch any aircraft doing it's thing but at least with the 747 & 380 you see something that at least looks different. Same reason I enjoy the MD's that SAS send to Kastrup. Just nice to see something out of the ordinary.
On a side note, there was a 777 parked right up against the fence at CPH today and it's closest I've ever been to one. Just couldn't get my head around how much smaller it looked than I expected up close. Odd.
travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9560 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9): AF has 3 different 77W configurations, The typical 8 F, 67J one. The one used to the Fench Caribean and Scheyelles. and the third( Miami's) is a newer one with no F 35 J +/- with Y+ and Y.
Thanks for the clarification.
So maybe AF just needed more capacity that the 744 provides?
worldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9545 times:
AF needs more Y seats on these leisure routes such as MIA, so i can see why they would choose to stick with the 744, although i would love to of seen a 77W finally at MIA!
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8772 times:
Well, i'll take a 747 'runt' any day over any other Aircraft in service.
I don't need PTV'S Video games, internet etc either. Just a good book, a glass of wine and the enjoyment of the finest ride on the most magnificent Aircraft ever made.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 827 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8454 times:
Does anyone know how the KL and AF flights to MIA are complimenting each other? I know that AF is timed to feed Southern/Eastern Europe connections whilst the KL flight is timed to cater to Northern Europe/UK connections. Does the addition of the KL flight have anything to do with AF canceling its 77W plans for MIA?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21679 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7940 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): WHY does Miami keep getting the runts of the AF fleet, I was looking forward to the 777-300ER as no airline current schedules a 77W to MIA.
Quoting worldliner (Reply 13): AF needs more Y seats on these leisure routes such as MIA, so i can see why they would choose to stick with the 744, although i would love to of seen a 77W finally at MIA!
10-abreast on the 744 is much more civilized than a cramped 10-abreast 777. Maybe AF didn't want to be the only carrier serving MIA with 10-abreast 777s (or am I missing someone else?)
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6484 times:
Yep, keep the 744 at MIA please! We're inundated with wing mounted twinjets. Anyone wanting to see a 77W at MIA will just have to wait for AA to bring them!
varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1575 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
I was not so thrilled to trade the usual 744 against a nightmare-ish 10 abreast 77W.
Now the queen of the sky stays, I wonder if AF is not re-analyzing the situation by comparing with what will be on the market.
Let's be serious: LH will offer an A380 and you come with a 10 abreast 77W?
I know for sure that as a usual AF690 client to MIA, I am more than ready to try LH to spare me the horror AF 77W which I tried once and which vaccinated me already
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fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
I uess all you Miami people would have to drive to MCO to see a AF 77W... I wouldn't call the B744 the "runts of the fleet". They are still pretty nice!
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): WHY does Miami keep getting the runts of the AF fleet, I was looking forward to the 777-300ER as no airline current schedules a 77W to MIA. Maybe Montreal can take the 744 and send 77W to MIA.
We'll trade you at MCO. I will be glad to see an AF 747-400 there since we lost our LH 744 to an A340-600 and are losing two of our VIR ones to A330s. You can have our 3x a week 77W for your daily 744.
25 AussieItaliano: Amen to that! The 747 and A380 have sufficient cabin width for 10 abreast long haul. The 777 does not. I know some will disagree with me, but the dif
26 varig md-11: Can't agree more!!! The only thing is that most pax don't know about the 10 Y abreast in the 77W till they're trapped in it! But I'm sure once they'r
27 TGV: I am also totally with you ! This is why I have changed my signature to what it is today, and why I am, as much as possible informing people on the n
29 NASCARAirforce: I barely saw AA 777-200s operating when I went spotting there Easter weekend. I was lucky to get pictures of 2 that whole weekend. Isn't the runt of
30 varig md-11: And I had only the "chance" to fly the 77W in Y on a summer extra flight NCE-ORY and that was enough. How dare they sell these seats for flights to E
31 LY777: I agree with you concerning the 3-4-3 config, but the AF 744s (except GITI/J/H) look tired inside, including the J cabin and their IFE is really poor.
32 varig md-11: Yes, but you had the possibility for 50€ to get on the upper deck which is a mini Y+ really cool for the price (though free in the old days....) OK
33 LY777: This is what I do when I fly to MIA, but you have a selection of only 6 channels, no games... I was about to book a flignht to MIA for November to tr
34 mah4546: MIA isn't short of AA 777s. During the winter, only Heathrow sees more of them than MIA.
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