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CLT-MAD/DUB Starts This Weekend  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

I didn't see this posted, and I thought this deserved a post.

CLT-MAD started today, DUB starts tomorrow. I don't know how the loads were on the MAD flight, but DUB is sold out for tomorrow.

Brings the total of TATL destinations from CLT to 7.

Best of luck to US on these new routes.


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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Which aircraft are they using on these routes?


100 146 319/20/21 332 722 732/3/4/5/G/W/8/H/9 742/3/4 752/3 762/3 772/W BE2 BET E75 CNJ CR2 D10 F27 F50 ER4 LRJ M11 M80
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

MAD is a 767 and DUB is a 757


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Good to see. CLT could always use more international travel.


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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 956 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

DUB should do very well, but MAD should never be anything but seasonal. There is already way too much capacity to MAD, and it's becoming hard to fill seats.

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1902 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Both should do very well in the summer along with FCO. Are both seasonal?

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

The first flight to DUB was today, looks like a flight time of 6:45.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 3):
CLT could always use more international travel.

I'm surprised US choose DUB over MAN.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 4):
DUB should do very well, but MAD should never be anything but seasonal

I think they both should do well. DUB may be easier to fill because it operates with a 752.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Are both seasonal?

Correct. Flights end in October.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5234 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 3):
Good to see. CLT could always use more international travel.

What exactly do you base this on?



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

That was unnecessarily snippy. CLT might not NEED more international travel...but yes, it's nice to have, thus, CLT can use it. And if flights are full, the more power to CLT.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32628 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 4):

DUB should do very well, but MAD should never be anything but seasonal. There is already way too much capacity to MAD, and it's becoming hard to fill seats.


I noticed that it is running shorter than orginially planned


CLTMAD is the single smallest U.S.-Europe local market with non-stop service. Just to give an idea how insanely small the market is, Miami-Bucharest is 6x larger. Obviously the local market will see significant traffic stimulation, but, still, it's insanely small to have trans-Atlantic service.

Dublin should do fine; Madrid I question.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
I noticed that it is running shorter than orginially planned


CLTMAD is the single smallest U.S.-Europe local market with non-stop service. Just to give an idea how insanely small the market is, Miami-Bucharest is 6x larger. Obviously the local market will see significant traffic stimulation, but, still, it's insanely small to have trans-Atlantic service.

I agree. Time will tell with market stimulation like you said. I was expecting the flight to go out full yesterday, but it didn't. DUB however, did. We have to see what happens when school lets out for the summer. The flight was originally supposed to end 10/29, but I dont think the flight even ops in October.

I would have suspected MAD to do better than DUB.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
Dublin should do fine; Madrid I question.

I suspect that MAD, like CLT-DUB, FCO and perhaps CDG, is more of a PHL reliever intended to be dependent on connecting travel than local CLT O&D. As of this writing, US 748 to MAD is sold out (and maybe oversold) in Y eastbound on the 15th with 7 seats for sale in C. US 724 to DUB is also sold out or oversold in Y with 2 seats remaining for sale in C. Now, this is Sunday night so a peak day, but that's not a terrible sign considering it's well before summer travel peak.

IIRC, US wanted another CLT-FRA this summer with the 762 but couldn't get a good slot. Using the aircraft on MAD may have been the reaction to that.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 11):

IIRC, US wanted another CLT-FRA this summer with the 762 but couldn't get a good slot. Using the aircraft on MAD may have been the reaction to that.

MAD & DUB were announced before they applied and loaded the 2nd Frankfurt slot. With the new runway opening in FRA this year, I expect that the 2nd CLT-FRA flight to actually operate next summer.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
I noticed that it is running shorter than orginially planned

Many European routes from all carriers will end earlier this year (instead of late Oct) if oil stays near $100.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 11):
Using the aircraft on MAD may have been the reaction to that.

Actually, MAD was announced months before the FRA announcment.

The summer schedule was supposed to be:
2X FRA
1X LGW
1X MAD
1X DUB
1X FCO
1X CDG

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 11):
CDG

I wouldn't say this is a reliever cause it is year round.

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 11):
US 748 to MAD is sold out (and maybe oversold) in Y eastbound on the 15th with 7 seats for sale in C. US 724 to DUB is also sold out or oversold in Y with 2 seats remaining for sale in C.

I'm not seeing US748 sold out in Y for the 15th. US724 is.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
CLTMAD is the single smallest U.S.-Europe local market with non-stop service. Just to give an idea how insanely small the market is, Miami-Bucharest is 6x larger. Obviously the local market will see significant traffic stimulation, but, still, it's insanely small to have trans-Atlantic service.

Dublin should do fine; Madrid I question.

I imagine CLT-MAD is all about easy connections to Florida, California, and Latin America/Caribbean. The local O&D for CLT-GIG was negligible too, but yet that route appears to be doing well enough to stick around.



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User currently onlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 750 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Am I not right in saying that part of the reason DUB was chosen was due to US preclearance in DUB which means the aircraft can arrive as a domestic flight into CLT?


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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3397 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 11):
As of this writing, US 748 to MAD is sold out (and maybe oversold) in Y eastbound on the 15th with 7 seats for sale in C.
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I'm not seeing US748 sold out in Y for the 15th. US724 is.

I just have to remind you guys just because its sold out doesn't mean profitability. Also its the first week of service, how do the loads look in July/Aug/Sep


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4162 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Great Start for the Dublin route: hopefully a few more routes to come from US carriers.... 


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User currently offlinethegman From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 15):

Am I not right in saying that part of the reason DUB was chosen was due to US preclearance in DUB which means the aircraft can arrive as a domestic flight into CLT?

Likely. Saves space over on the D concourse.

When did the second CLT-FRA flight get dropped?


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 14):
I imagine CLT-MAD is all about easy connections to Florida, California, and Latin America/Caribbean.

That's correct. US is smart enough to keep the flight number on European flights to destinations that have a large number of pax flying to that destination.

Ex: US 748 MIA-CLT-MAD
US 720 LAX-CLT-FCO
US 732 MCO-CLT-LGW
US 704 PIT-CLT-FRA
US 786 SFO-CLT-CDG
US 724 FLL-CLT-DUB

Quoting thegman (Reply 18):
Quoting EIRules (Reply 15):

Am I not right in saying that part of the reason DUB was chosen was due to US preclearance in DUB which means the aircraft can arrive as a domestic flight into CLT?

Likely. Saves space over on the D concourse.

When did the second CLT-FRA flight get dropped?

That's correct. The DUB flight will use gate B10 on most occasions. B10 is the only B gate to also accept B767s.

The FRA flight didn't get dropped. US could not get the time slot they wanted for the second flight.

I think we will either see a second flight to FRA next year, or a MAN flight.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I'm not seeing US748 sold out in Y for the 15th. US724 is.

Using Sabre availability from the KVS Tool, it's showing this:

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------------
US 748 CLT 16:25 MAD 06:40 767 D4 Z4 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 N0 V0 W0 L0 S0 T0 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0 C4

The C, D and Z fare buckets book into Envoy on US. It's going to go out pretty full.

It looks like some seats have actually freed up on 724 in Y since I wrote that though Envoy is sold out:
US 724 CLT 18:20 DUB 06:50 752 D0 Z0 Y6 B6 M6 H6 Q6 N6 V6 W3 L0 S0 T0 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0 C0

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 16):
I just have to remind you guys just because its sold out doesn't mean profitability. Also its the first week of service, how do the loads look in July/Aug/Sep

Oh we know. But bigger loads do at least indicate that the airline is able to fill the plane at the price point they chose for it, which is hopefully one that results in profit.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2054 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 16):
I just have to remind you guys just because its sold out doesn't mean profitability. Also its the first week of service, how do the loads look in July/Aug/Sep

Just for once can't we wait and see what the numbers actually are before slagging a route?


User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Interesting. I had no idea this flight was just launching. I booked the CLT-MAD flight for August 30th back in February. It makes a perfect connecting option at CLT from MIA (which is my case), arriving at MAD early in the morning, just in time to catch the high-speed train to my final destination. Other US-Spain flights land at MAD after 11:00 am. I personally prefer arriving early in the morning for the reason above. I hope this flight makes a complete success.


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