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Airbus A380: 25 Deliveries Planned In 2011  
User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20781 times:

http://www.airliners.de/wirtschaft/b...011-ueber-20-a380-ausliefern/24139


Sorry, only in german...

Airbus planes to deliver around 25 airplanes in 2011.


Sidenote:

Hopefully they will achieve that number and will be able to deliver 35-40 in 2012!

87 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20457 times:

The long awaited 2 per month (average).
Then they need to boost the production a little! Only 6 delivered so far into 2011.
Airbus must then perform 2,5 deliveries in average for the remaining months of 2011.
  


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19888 times:

as a member of the Church of the Saint380, I'll try to spell out what these numbers mean.
At the end of 2010, the following number of A380 were in operation (including the poor VH-OQA)
EK: 15
SQ: 11
QF: 7
LH: 4
AF: 4
total: 41 (1 (2007)+12 (2008) +10 (2009) +18 (2010))
LH:4
this should be spread out approximately this way:
6 delivered:
LH*3 MSN61 MSN66 MSN 69
QF*3 MSN50 MSN55 MSN62

currently, we've got 16 frames in Hamburg and 11 in Toulouse. The next convoy is this Monday.
further 2011 deliveries:
Korean: 5
1. MSN35 KE1 (FFNov 16, 2010)
2. MSN39 KE2 (FFJan 07, 2011)
3. MSN 59 KE 3 (FF Feb 16, 2011)
4. MSN 68 KE 4 (FF Mar 15, 2011)
5. MSN 75 KE 5 (FF hopefully next week)

Lufthansa
1. MSN 70 LH8 (FF Dec9, 2010)

Air France
1. MSN52 AF 5 (FF Aug 10, 2010)
2. MSN64 AF 6 (FF Aug 27, 2010)

Here, we need information from the highly respected FlySSC who knows everything about AF. We' ve got engines, we've got seats, the planes should have been delivered back in February, but somehow are still in Hamburg WHY?????

China Southern
1. MSN31 CZ1 (FF Mar 03, 2011)
2. MSN 36 CZ2 (FF May 06, 2011)

Qantas
1. MSN 63 QF11 (FF Apr 01, 2011)
2. MSN 074 QF 12 (FF Apr 19, 2011)

Emirates
1. MSN77 EK 16 (FF Mar 18, 2011)
2. MSN 080 EK 17 (FF Apr 18, 2011)
3. MSN 083 EK 18 (fully assembled, FF should take place some time late May)
4. MSN 086 EK 19 (still in final assembly, but EK planes are outfitted most rapidly of all; almost a certainty for Nov or early Dec delivery)

Singapore (aka. double headache)
1. MSN 058 SQ 12 (FF Jul 23, 2010)
2. MSN 65 SQ 13 (FF Sep 29, 2010)
3. MSN 71 SQ 14 (FF Nov 08, 2010)
The latter two have no engines now, and the Koito seat issue is turning into a saga of its own. sincerely, i start fearing that these three may fail to get delivered in 2011

the best candidates outside these 19 are imho
1. MSN 54 CZ 3 (right now in final assembly, still scheduled for delivery in December)
2. MSN 90 EK 20 (right now in final assembly. scheduled for delivery in JAN 2012, but EK planes take the "fast lane" at XFW, and if things go "very right" and Airbus offer a Christmas present, they should find the monies as it is still the same financial year for them and EK right now are very eager to get claws on as many 380 as possible as soon as possible)


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6863 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19825 times:

In 2010 Airbus sold more A380s than they delivered. It rather looks as if the same will happen in 2011. A growing backlog is usually a good thing. I only wish that it was happening because of robust sales rather than anaemic deliveries.

User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19723 times:

So at this rate, how long until Airbus breaks even on its A380 investment?

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19452 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 4):
So at this rate, how long until Airbus breaks even on its A380 investment?

God knows
Devil knows
some boeing fans know (their answer is NEVER EVER)

Airbus definitely doesn't know.

A few years ago, there was the number of about 450 in circulation.
The list price was increased, but the relatively slow rate will lead to the lower value of the same amount of money as a USD of 2005 will be worth some 2USD of 2020.
He4nce I would say that the amount of money could be recouped after the delivery of some 500 to 550 frames (that is my guess from what i know, and i have NO insider knowledge) while the value of invested money could be recouped after the delivery of some 600 to 650 frames if we stay at 25 per year.
another thing is that airbus recently gets more orders than delivers, and it is evident that slow output may lead some airlines to order sth else (now or in the future)


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18895 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 5):
Quoting holzmann (Reply 4):
So at this rate, how long until Airbus breaks even on its A380 investment?

God knows
Devil knows
some boeing fans know (their answer is NEVER EVER)

Airbus definitely doesn't know.

A few years ago, there was the number of about 450 in circulation.
Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 5):
He4nce I would say that the amount of money could be recouped after the delivery of some 500 to 550 frames (that is my guess from what i know, and i have NO insider knowledge) while the value of invested money could be recouped after the delivery of some 600 to 650 frames if we stay at 25 per year.

I was thinking it is around 450, or so, too. But then again Airbus has not hit its A-380 delivery mark for any year yet. I don't know if these dalays to the airlines results in penalties, or not. But, if it does, then the break even point may not happen until delivery #500 to #550.

BTW, I am a Boeing fan


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 18385 times:

The earth's population is projected to have cracked the 9 billion mark before 2050. China has a middle class now. India's caste system is losing its influence. Brazil's annual economic growth rate ranges between 7-9%. Russia is on the move. The world as a whole is becoming ever more connected.

The A380 is simply ahead of its time. That's all. If Airbus can manage to come up with a freighter version, a combi-version and the A380-900, I have no doubt in my mind 2000 sold units possible to achieve. But even if they can't, 1000-1500 don't seem to be an irrealistic figure. Airbus will have a magnificent, matured airplane once the demand for it is starting to grow, similar to what the A330 is experiencing these days.

It's 2011 and there are people who deny evolution. Or global warming. And think the earth is 6000 years old. Humanity has its faults and that's why we shouldn't jump on people who are trying to bash the A380. They just don't see it yet  Smile

A recent overview of XFW's ramp from last Thursday (May 12th). 7 A380s can be seen on display here. Another AF A380 is hidden behind door #212 and a China Southern MSN36 landed 10mins. later. They're lagging, no doubt, but progress is underway.
http://i53.tinypic.com/23m30qv.jpg  Smile

[Edited 2011-05-14 11:25:18]


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User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17411 times:

Quoting something (Reply 7):
A recent overview of XFW's ramp from last Thursday (May 12th). 7 A380s can be seen on display here. Another AF A380 is hidden behind door #212 and a China Southern MSN36 landed 10mins. later. They're lagging, no doubt, but progress is underway.

How I'd love to take a ride on one of these!


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16362 times:

I wonder if Airbus will ever deliver all their 380s at this rate. If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.


From the airport with love
User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16325 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 9):
If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.

  



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16272 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 2):
as a member of the Church of the Saint380.

Remember... I am the Guru

 

Attended the first test flight in Toulouse

First to Fly the A380 with Singapore Airlines + Multiple SIA 380 Inaugural Flyer



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineTaniwha From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15558 times:

^ Good on you Mate. I hope it makes you happy.

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15527 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 9):
I wonder if Airbus will ever deliver all their 380s at this rate. If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.

ROTFL


User currently onlineCaryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14326 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I only wish that it was happening because of robust sales rather than anaemic deliveries.

That's funny. Good humor is food for thought and has an element of truth.

Quoting holzmann (Reply 4):
So at this rate, how long until Airbus breaks even on its A380 investment?

I've never been too concerned about this aspect. It's been launched, designed , built and sold; though not necessarily in that order. I'd just like to see Airbus put together about 8 months of solid production at 24 or 26 airliners per year.

Quoting something (Reply 7):
Airbus will have a magnificent, matured airplane once the demand for it is starting to grow, similar to what the A330 is experiencing these days.

Nice post. I like it except for the part about the combi. So your plan is to divide the main deck and put cargo in the front and passengers in the back? That would certainly get around issues with loading cargo into the second deck but I think it's a long shot.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 9):
I wonder if Airbus will ever deliver all their 380s at this rate. If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.

They will certainly deliver "all of them" but your timing seems off. You're not referring to the super jumbo B-808 are you?. I understand that the Chinese are clamoring for it.

Thanks,
Cary


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12870 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14074 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 3):

In 2010 Airbus sold more A380s than they delivered. It rather looks as if the same will happen in 2011. A growing backlog is usually a good thing. I only wish that it was happening because of robust sales rather than anaemic deliveries.

I've made numerous posts that Airbus must significantly cut into the backlog to attract new customers.

Airbus has sold well for the current production rate. For the effect I'm discussing, 35+ deliveries per year is required. I could only dream of that happening by 2013... Then we could really debate engine sales!  

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinemotech722 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 9):
I wonder if Airbus will ever deliver all their 380s at this rate. If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.

Yes, since Boeing's 787 timetable is to deliver the first airframe to All Nippon a number of years ago, I'm sure that the A380 will be affected negatively.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

Quoting motech722 (Reply 16):
Yes, since Boeing's 787 timetable is to deliver the first airframe to All Nippon a number of years ago, I'm sure that the A380 will be affected negatively.

Different markets


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12736 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 9):
I wonder if Airbus will ever deliver all their 380s at this rate. If A doesn't pick it up when B launches the 787, the 380 will have a lot of cancellations IMHO.

Which aircraft is Boeing going to launch...?


At the end of 2011, Airbus will have delivered between 60 and 66 A380s.

That is far behind schedule, but nevertheless an impressive number of queens flying around.
At the end of 2012, Airbus should have delivered more A388s than A346s already!


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11978 times:
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Currently it is looking like between 23 and 25 A380 deliveries in 2011. I would be surprised if they manage the 25 though.

And at the current rate of convoys and production, 34-36 deliveres in 2012 is out of the question.

Convoys will need to be larger, and it is not looking like this is going to happen for a few more months yet.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 2):
Here, we need information from the highly respected FlySSC who knows everything about AF. We' ve got engines, we've got seats, the planes should have been delivered back in February, but somehow are still in Hamburg WHY?????

Delivery of MSN052 was suspose to happen late last week, but it was cancelled. There is a possibility that both MSN052 and MSN064 will be delivered together.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9976 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11661 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 15):
For the effect I'm discussing, 35+ deliveries per year is required. I could only dream of that happening by 2013... Then we could really debate engine sales!

I expect around 30 deliveries next year...
After that, I think you'll see it rise to the 40 or so per annum we're both looking for by end 2013 (with between 130 and 140 delivered by then)

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
In 2010 Airbus sold more A380s than they delivered

It will be interesting to see what this relationship looks like in 2011..

[Rgds


User currently offlineescapehere From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

Can someone confirm what Airbus' long term annual production rate is for the A380 once all the kinks are sorted and things are running smoothly? My understanding was that originally they were aiming for around 4 per month (~ 48 per year). Is this still their *long term* plan, or have they pretty much ruled this rate out of the question now?

User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

Quoting escapehere (Reply 21):
Can someone confirm what Airbus' long term annual production rate is for the A380

Long term, assuming only one version of the A388, is between 45 and 55 per year.
Depending on the number of sales for sure.


Nice airport overview in the background:


http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Airbus-A380-841/1919539/L/

[Edited 2011-05-15 02:18:25]

User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

When are BA really getting the first A380? So many conflicting messages at work.

Thanks


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10887 times:

Quoting escapehere (Reply 21):

Can someone confirm what Airbus' long term annual production rate is for the A380 once all the kinks are sorted and things are running smoothly?

I don't think their production rate has an actual cap anywhere, but 40/year is the number that's been circulating around. But unless..

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
In 2010 Airbus sold more A380s than they delivered. It rather looks as if the same will happen in 2011.

..this holds true for the future, meaning...

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
A growing backlog [...] because of robust sales rather than anaemic deliveries.

Airbus doesn't really have an incentive to ramp up the production. And I think it will take a few years for that demand to emerge. In general, the only actual hurtful delays were the ones towards the end, which ironically, are not entirely Airbus' fault. Emirates' custom design showers, other special customer request and lastly, the RR 'inconvenience' and the Koito fiasco. All the delays up to that point, may they have been cried over endlessly, have in actuality rather helped the airlines than hurt them. Not only were they compensated generously, but they now didn't have to fill a 500+ seater during a global economic depression.

But I am not trying to take away the blame from Airbus though. It is just very hard to pinpoint one specific source of problems. Their entire supply chain is set up catastrophically and the parties involved seem to be totally incapable of cooperating (remember the Franco-German blame game after the re-structuring of the production).

There have been way too many faults with the entire A380 production and a lot of naive optimism and incompetent management can be identified as the reasons behind this. In the bigger picture, though, I don't think Airbus will hurt too much from this humiliation in the future- simply because the A380s far ahead of its time and some of the delays have, as mentioned, helped the airlines and the need for the plane is not as urgent yet. Now we can only hope that Airbus will get their act together and have their production running like skates on ice by 2014, which should be the time when the A380 orders will start to pick up.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
25 Post contains images astuteman : I have to side with my learned friend Lightsaber here, and disagree with you - very strongly. The slow production ramp-up, on top of the delays, unqu
26 Post contains links mdword1959 : Interesting, you are far more optimistic about the market prospects for the A380 than Tom Enders was reported to be late last year : [Emphasis Added]
27 Post contains images something : I believe that's a fallacy. Airbus currently has a monopoly with an airplane of that size and therefore, can control the market. If an airline needs
28 Pilot21 : 2013 - I don't have the link to hand, but that information is from the investor update given at the BA AGM last year. AF pushed delivery of these 2 b
29 Post contains images something : P.S. I gave your statement some thought and maybe we've just miscommunicated. Of course Airbus needs to ramp up their production, but not to astronom
30 mdword1959 : Tell that to Dr. Enders, for some reason his 40-50 year market outlook for the A380 is far less sanguine than yours.[Edited 2011-05-15 07:02:14]
31 Post contains links something : Again, my estimate included a cargo version of the A380- which would have made sense to launch before the 748F but that's another story about the gen
32 Post contains images lightsaber : Plan was 45. So your numbers look good. Ramping up to that level will allow another 150+ sales. One thing that wasn't included in your analysis is th
33 Post contains images something : No doubt. But following my logic, Airbus will sell the same number of A380s either way. Just a matter of when they'll be delivered. With a faster pro
34 Post contains images astuteman : I believe you are mistaken..... It has been physically impossible to judge the demand for the A380 yet because at no time has supply got near satisfy
35 Revelation : I doubt we'll hear a public pronouncement on that any time soon. But one can speculate that the inability to meet production targets indicates increa
36 Post contains links something : Well but what is the alternative? If the delivery takes too long for their needs, they can put in place a contingency plan and go for something small
37 PM : By no means always. It seems to be off the SIN-NRT route just now but it used to do that run daily and that's just 7 hours. Air France fly them CDG-J
38 2175301 : I think Airbus has actually answered the first question and also proved the second statement wrong. If I recall correctly; Airbus said a year of so a
39 XT6Wagon : Worse than impeding sales... Production rate is currently #1 on the list of reasons the A380 isn't going to be profitable. I forgot if it was 2011 or
40 Post contains images astuteman : I must admit I don't recall ever seeing a statement like that being made. It's perhaps worth bearing in mind that the earlier frames were sitting aro
41 Burkhard : Empresses, not Queens... The eternal discussion about Airbus profits/ROI: This is a number completely dominated by the €/% exchange rate. Airbus ha
42 Post contains images N14AZ : Although I cannot provide any proof I doubt that they still envisage a production rate of 4 per month. At the beginning of the production CEO Enders
43 Post contains images AustrianZRH : EK even has a (double?) daily run from DXB to JED, just 919 nm .
44 Revelation : Yes, and BA still flies 747s JFK-LHR. As flexible as an A380 is, I'll bet A330 and A350 snaps up more of the emerging/BRIC markets because they're ev
45 starrion : I've asked this twice in the latest production thread. MSN002, which is flagged VIP, showed a 2011 delivery date. So far I haven't seen that accounted
46 Pilot21 : According to the latest updates on a380production.com, MSN002 has been slated for delivery by Airbus in 2011 to an unknown firm for outfitting - so w
47 worldliner : 25 a year? I dont care how big the aircraft is thats shocking!
48 Post contains images Stitch : I suppose it is for a new type a half-decade into service. But the 747-8 and 767 are both (moving towards) a 24 unit annual delivery schedule, so it'
49 art : 747 and 767 levels are by choice, aren't they? Big difference.
50 Stitch : I am sure Boeing would like to deliver more, but the current backlog and sales only support that level of production at the current time.
51 XT6Wagon : Somewhat. 747 I'm sure is a good bit lower than Boeing wants. However its a chicken and egg situation. Its harder to convince people to buy frames fo
52 trex8 : It would probably make more sense to have the cargo in the lower " main " deck (its wider and walls aren't curving in and its also lower to ground le
53 Post contains images something : EK flies their A380s into LHR, MAN, CDG with FRA and FCO soon to follow. They also operate them on their JED runs that clock in at just over 2 hrs. fl
54 Stitch : I would think it would be harder, since you have so much more area to protect against fire and smoke penetration.
55 qfa787380 : Really! TAM has committed to 12 777-300ERs and I'm sure there's many more to follow. They have made several incremental add-on orders for the plane.
56 XT6Wagon : China I think is a giant red herring. Lots of studies showing insane growth leading to conclusions of selling eleventy billion VLA. Reality so far is
57 Revelation : This begs the question: Is EK the exception rather than the rule? Both A and B would love to see another two or three EKs emerge. It might drag the A
58 Post contains links and images astuteman : With perfect timing... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...605/comment-the-future-is-big.html Rgds
59 Revelation : Interesting food for thought, but I feel there is a bit of cherry picking going on here to try to make a point. It'd be better if he compared the pro
60 something : A very valid concern indeed. But there really aren't that many airports in China, as there are in the US for example. You have PEK, PVG and possibly
61 trex8 : But don't they do that now with the underfloor cargo area on all airliners? Does anyone know what the rules are for fireproofing the ceiling of the m
62 Stitch : I'm sure that Airbus could make the upper deck sufficiently resistant to fire and smoke invasion to meet the relevant FARs. I'm just wondering what t
63 Post contains images astuteman : For what its worth, the smilie was to indicate that I give as much credence to this as I do to the deluge of comments regarding the "average size of
64 Post contains images lightsaber : I also look from the R&D perspective. The faster airbus puts out the aircraft, the quicker airlines are willing to purchase upgrade packages. It
65 thegeek : I don't see another possibility. Both will have an impact on the industry, it's really just a question of how much? I personally see the 787 having r
66 something : I quite agree with you Lightsaber on most if not all points. And as far as production pace goes.. the first Korean A388 flew back to TLS from XFW yest
67 Airvan00 : A380 production difficiulties? They are producing them at a fair clip, well the Emirates ones anyway. The main problem is the seat supplier that SQ s
68 Burkhard : It is far easier to produce 100 A380 a day than to get the US$ up again. As long as aircraft are paid in US$ and Airbus has a large fraction of its c
69 Post contains images 328JET : You can exclude the A330, as it does not offer the range of the A388, but yes, still the same numbers of engines for one A388 or two A350s. And incre
70 Post contains images astuteman : As a point of interest, 2 x A359 almost exactly equals 1 x A388 interms of cabin size/passenger capacity. Almost exactly the same number of engines p
71 Post contains images Baroque : Is that at all similar to having stacked the top deck?
72 Post contains links 328JET : http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=1043429 Isn´t it amazing how the size of airplanes have emerged...?
73 thegeek : Why can't they produce them at the 40/year that they had originally planned then?
74 Burkhard : Two answers: Two years ago (GFC) they decided to not put much money into increase of production, so I would say not more than 33 are by purpose, but
75 thegeek : Even at 33/year they still have already sold almost 6 years of production. Asking potential customers to wait so long really hurts your ability to sel
76 PM : Six out of the seven A380s delivered so far in 2011 have Trents.
77 Burkhard : My understanding is that they work hard to get it beyond 30 next year, and they think it is time to invest in bigger capacities once the bottlenecks
78 Post contains images lightsaber : I see it about equal, maybe 60% 787. Perhaps it is because my 'home airport' is LAX and there will be tremendous feed to the Asian, European, and Aus
79 trex8 : Anyone know what the relative difference in landing fees are for a A359/77W sized plane vs an A380?
80 trex8 : I'm totally shooting from the hip here but I would have thought the present ceiling of the main cabin is fire/smoke proofed so fire/smoke in the main
81 Post contains links something : Dewd. Check out his other picture of both of them over Hamburg :O Now picture the LH in UPS colors and, if it has to be in Germany, at least somethin
82 Post contains images Revelation : Sorry, the smilie detector was offline - insufficient caffiene... Agree 100%. Kinda makes you feel bad for the CEO and the directors - even their sta
83 Stitch : And there seem to be a good number of such destinations, with more coming online all the time.
84 PM : Oh, good. Why? Really? they chose PW on their A330s. Very wise. My guess is that it's already been cancelled in all but name.
85 328JET : Most A380s are operated to/from hubs and this will not change in the future. It simply doesn´t matter WHERE TO the pax onboard will travel, as most
86 Burkhard : I completely agree for that - and that is why Boeing wanted to avoid this by all means. Without the tanker order, it will be very difficult to sell s
87 Post contains links robffm2 : Or Airbus can just wait another 10 or 15 years. By that time the dominant position of the dollar in the world trade will have diminished. As just pub
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